Evolution+Deeptime question

[KV-44-v1]

QUESTION: Why do people believe in Darwin Evolution, cosmic evolution, and/or millions of years, even though it evidently contradicts Genesis and erodes Biblical trust?

Sure Creation vs Evolution is not a salvation issue, but it is the foundation of our faith. And when that foundation is compromised, more compromise will come.

QUESTION 2: Why do many Christians Not see these facts and conclusions on these?

 

[donadams]

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The contradiction lies on whether humans have a soul or not. If yes then evolution must be false, unless scientists provide an explanation on how a soul is evolved from. While an explanation is more or less a belief, as pointed out above.

he evidence for the soul is that we are alive!

The soul is the form of the body and necessary for the body to live, and the fact that unlike the animals we are created in the inage and likeness of God! (Intellect & volition)

Thks

 

[Tenchi]

QUESTION: Why do people believe in Darwin Evolution, cosmic evolution, and/or millions of years, even though it evidently contradicts Genesis and erodes Biblical trust?

Well, they do so, in some cases at least, because they sincerely believe that there is good scientific evidence - that is, concrete, physical fact - to think the universe is many billions of years old. Sometimes, these sincere folk are misinformed about the science of the things you've mentioned. The ToE, for instance, is increasingly rejected by secular scientists in various fields because it is rife with theory-dissolving problems for which there are no good answers. Abiogenesis, genetic information, irreducible complexity, the generally deleterious effects of mutation, the absence of support in the fossil record, the lack of sufficient time for the proposed evolutionary distance of the ToE to be covered, and so on profoundly disqualify the ToE as a viable theory. But the ToE has such cultural momentum behind it that most people just assume it's as scientifically certain as the Law of Gravity and can't, therefore, be questioned. And, of course, there are folk - scientists, mainly - seriously invested in the ToE who defend it rabidly, though they know its a collapsed theory.

The Genesis account of Creation also leaves room for interpretive variation regarding timelines. Dr. John Lennox's book "Seven Days That Divide the World" gives a very good explanation of how. And so, sincere, Bible-respecting Christians hold varying views on the actual timespan of Creation. There's nothing nefarious, nothing insidious, about their doing so.

 

[miamited]

But ultimately, if God did create this realm in which we exist, from the furthest star in the universe to us, to the basic, smallest micro-part that makes up all the physical 'things' of this earth on which we live, as He seems to clearly explain that He did, then wouldn't not believing that make one an unbeliever in what the Scriptures reveal to us?

I mean, I know a God who can turn back the shadow of the sun. I know a God who can hold the sun over a specific point of the earth for hours rather than the brief minutes that it normally moves across a place on the earth. I know a God who can cause the deaths of just the firstborn of man and animal in an entire city in one night. I know a God who can make an iron ax head float. I know a God who can place lovingly inside the womb of a young woman His very essence in a human baby, that had no human semen to begin its life. I know a God who can tell me 483 years before the Messiah came, that the Messiah would be here in 483 years.

So for me, believing in a God who can merely command an entire universe comprised of trillions of stars and planets and asteroids and all that make up the heavens around us with just commanding it to be and it is immediately so, is no problem. But of course, what God made has a physical make-up and man keeps trying to find all of the answers to life in the physical make-up of the things of this existence. Relying on the things that God has made and not the things that God has told us, to determine 'how' we got here.

And despite everyone saying it's not a particularly important issue, It was important enough for God to point it out to us as a part of His law to us. So, I think, hmmmmmm, when I read over that part where the Lord says, in establishing the practice of the Sabbath, "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

God actually established the fact that He created all that is in both the heavens around us and the earth beneath us in 6 days and tells us that is why the Sabbath is mirrored by six days of work and a day of rest. Thereby establishing the gournds of a week as a measurement of passing days since the beginning. But He is very, very clear in both accounts of the law given to us in two of the writtings of the old covenant, that He created all that exists in the heavens and on the earth in 6 days.

Then in the account of all that He did during that six day period in the opening writings of Genesis (the beginning BTW) He describes each day as consisting of an evening and a morning. That is the best descriptor of a 24 hour day, just as we experience still today, that anyone could give.

 

[Vaccine]

But ultimately, if God did create this realm in which we exist, from the furthest star in the universe to us, to the basic, smallest micro-part that makes up all the physical 'things' of this earth on which we live, as He seems to clearly explain that He did, then wouldn't not believing that make one an unbeliever in what the Scriptures reveal to us?

I mean, I know a God who can turn back the shadow of the sun. I know a God who can hold the sun over a specific point of the earth for hours rather than the brief minutes that it normally moves across a place on the earth. I know a God who can cause the deaths of just the firstborn of man and animal in an entire city in one night. I know a God who can make an iron ax head float. I know a God who can place lovingly inside the womb of a young woman His very essence in a human baby, that had no human semen to begin its life. I know a God who can tell me 483 years before the Messiah came, that the Messiah would be here in 483 years.

So for me, believing in a God who can merely command an entire universe comprised of trillions of stars and planets and asteroids and all that make up the heavens around us with just commanding it to be and it is immediately so, is no problem. But of course, what God made has a physical make-up and man keeps trying to find all of the answers to life in the physical make-up of the things of this existence. Relying on the things that God has made and not the things that God has told us, to determine 'how' we got here.

And despite everyone saying it's not a particularly important issue, It was important enough for God to point it out to us as a part of His law to us. So, I think, hmmmmmm, when I read over that part where the Lord says, in establishing the practice of the Sabbath, "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

God actually established the fact that He created all that is in both the heavens around us and the earth beneath us in 6 days and tells us that is why the Sabbath is mirrored by six days of work and a day of rest. Thereby establishing the gournds of a week as a measurement of passing days since the beginning. But He is very, very clear in both accounts of the law given to us in two of the writtings of the old covenant, that He created all that exists in the heavens and on the earth in 6 days.

Then in the account of all that He did during that six day period in the opening writings of Genesis (the beginning BTW) He describes each day as consisting of an evening and a morning. That is the best descriptor of a 24 hour day, just as we experience still today, that anyone could give.

Good points. It was reading verses like than more and more than left me less and less wiggle room for clinging to my old secular beliefs. It's clear Jesus didn't see Noah, Jonah, Moses, Adam, or 6 days as allegory. If God can tell men ahead of time the details surrounding Christ's birth, life, death, and then raise his son from the dead, then other things done in Genesis are easy by comparison.