Ex-christian turned to witchcraft - ask me anything

[journeymanisnothing]

Listen up people as unknown1991 does believe in God and is here for some help as she is going through a struggle right now and does not need to feel others coming against her. There are many violations of the ToS 1.1 going on and this needs to stop. We are to be here to edify and lift each other up in hopes of helping a member, not putting them down. Let's start acting like Christians and showing some love instead of criticizing as we show the same grace God gave to all of us.

Personally, I don't understand how a Christian can be fed up with how God does things.
It would seem more likely that a person never really understood the gospel, rather than thinking they were fed up with it.
How could anyone be annoyed with how Jesus conducted himself and instructed his followers to love people the same way?

 

[Tenchi]

Listen up people as @unknown1991 does believe in God and is here for some help as she is going through a struggle right now and does not need to feel others coming against her.

As God's child, his ambassador and vessel, I cannot - I must not - sit idle under the sound of vile attacks leveled at Him. Nor should I. I certainly show no love for Him when I remain silent as others slander and curse Him, offering no protest of their calumny of the One who deserves only praise. If the OP doesn't wish to feel believers are coming against her, why has she come against their God with such foul language and disrespect? Why should she be made comfortable in venting her awful thoughts and feelings about God to those who love Him above all else? The logic here baffles me...

We are to be here to edify and lift each other up in hopes of helping a member, not putting them down. Let's start acting like Christians and showing some love instead of criticizing as we show the same grace God gave to all of us.

And what of God? Is His name and character not worthy of fierce defense by those who cherish Him? What "edification" is there in God's children sitting passive as He is defamed and criticized by one who hates Him? What do we communicate about our own love of God when we do?

I show no more love to the OP by encouraging her terrible, angry, disrespect of the One who is able to destroy both her body and soul in hell than I would encouraging a two-year-old to prod a rabid wolf with a stick. It is exceedingly dangerous to despise and curse God Almighty. Doing so is a "losing proposition" in the most catastrophic sense imaginable! Read Romans 2:4-9. I do great evil, then, serving as a passive audience to slander of God, making the sinner on a collision course with God, shaking their fist in His face, feel "safe" in their defiance of He who will cast them forever into outer darkness.

 

[for_his_glory]

Personally, I don't understand how a Christian can be fed up with how God does things.
It would seem more likely that a person never really understood the gospel, rather than thinking they were fed up with it.
How could anyone be annoyed with how Jesus conducted himself and instructed his followers to love people the same way?

I think all of us have certain issues with certain scriptures we do not understand and some see God in a different light other then being a loving caring God, but a vindictive God in his judgements. It's called lack of knowledge that can lead one astray starting to question certain things. I learnt not to second guess anyone, but to hear them out.

 

[unknown1991-old]

I don't need anyone to defend me, I can defend myself. As I already said though, some things I spoke out of anger and was expressing my anger with the help of some drink.

At least you all had the gall to talk to me and engage me in conversation, unlike my former church that just tried to sluff me off onto another church. Members who I thought were friends literally abandoned me and wouldn't talk to me any more, and they know nothing of what I've told you all here in this thread.

Don't know where anyone thought I was a she, but I am a he and in my 40's, not that it matters.... but I wanted to make that clear.

To one other person, I was directly angry at God as well as to what happened to me at church, and them specifically. You guys did nothing to me here and was never angry at any of you here. I was venting and poking a little. But I still spoke my heart.

I've read all your posts. I have nothing to add to this conversation. Some of you have given me things to think about and I appreciate you engaging me and letting me vent. If anyone was offended or not, I was speaking my heart. Would you rather I lie and pretend everything is alright? That everything is just fluffy pink hoppy bunnies, or be honest with my feelings?

And I will make one other thing clear, since at least one of you didn't get it the first time around. I *refused* to work with deities because I still believe in God. I wouldn't work with other "gods". So there is no misunderstanding.

There are so many different paths and traditions in witchcraft, there is no real consenus between any of them. That's all I have to say.

I've been through so much crap in my life (and I know there are so many that have it far worse than I ever did) that I finally started manifesting my own destiny and stopped being helpless. The whole "I'm so unloved and feel so worthless" blah blah I felt most of my life, I rejected and started making my own destiny and having control over it.

But as I said, some of you have given things for me to think about, and I appreciate it.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I think all of us have certain issues with certain scriptures we do not understand and some see God in a different light other then being a loving caring God, but a vindictive God in his judgements. It's called lack of knowledge that can lead one astray starting to question certain things. I learnt not to second guess anyone, but to hear them out.

I agree with everything you're saying. The problem is that whenever we begin to see the judgement of God apart from the mercy he showed as the Son toward the wicked, it makes Gods' judgment on sinners understandable.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I don't need anyone to defend me, I can defend myself. As I already said though, some things I spoke out of anger and was expressing my anger with the help of some drink.

I've done that more than once. I'm glad that our Lord put peoplle in my life who cared enough to share the truth of Gods' goodness with me.

One such person was a sister in Christ who let me know in a gentle way what she thought about my complaining. She turned to Isa.50:6 which says,

I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.

It's really something to think about how Jesus (God) loves people and wants us to live when he said,

I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, Mt.5:44

You see my friend, if you're not fed up with loving your fellow humans, you're not really angry with God.
Please also know that part of "loving others" is to (gently) correct them. A good teacher will correct without condemning because we've all done it more than once.

 

[for_his_glory]

I don't need anyone to defend me, I can defend myself. As I already said though, some things I spoke out of anger and was expressing my anger with the help of some drink.

At least you all had the gall to talk to me and engage me in conversation, unlike my former church that just tried to sluff me off onto another church. Members who I thought were friends literally abandoned me and wouldn't talk to me any more, and they know nothing of what I've told you all here in this thread.

Don't know where anyone thought I was a she, but I am a he and in my 40's, not that it matters.... but I wanted to make that clear.

To one other person, I was directly angry at God as well as to what happened to me at church, and them specifically. You guys did nothing to me here and was never angry at any of you here. I was venting and poking a little. But I still spoke my heart.

I've read all your posts. I have nothing to add to this conversation. Some of you have given me things to think about and I appreciate you engaging me and letting me vent. If anyone was offended or not, I was speaking my heart. Would you rather I lie and pretend everything is alright? That everything is just fluffy pink hoppy bunnies, or be honest with my feelings?

And I will make one other thing clear, since at least one of you didn't get it the first time around. I *refused* to work with deities because I still believe in God. I wouldn't work with other "gods". So there is no misunderstanding.

There are so many different paths and traditions in witchcraft, there is no real consenus between any of them. That's all I have to say.

I've been through so much crap in my life (and I know there are so many that have it far worse than I ever did) that I finally started manifesting my own destiny and stopped being helpless. The whole "I'm so unloved and feel so worthless" blah blah I felt most of my life, I rejected and started making my own destiny and having control over it.

But as I said, some of you have given things for me to think about, and I appreciate it.

Sorry, I thought you were a female, my bad, as I didn't look under your name. I give you credit for coming to CF and even though you were drinking when you made your OP you also poured out your feelings and have not completely given up on God as you are trying to figure out all these feelings you have within yourself. It's a struggle as many of us have been there being hurt by a church we use to attend and even to the point of wanting to commit suicide. I pray for you that you finally get everything sorted out and it's up to you which path you will walk down and to also know there are Christians that do care for you as I am one of them

 

[unknown1991-old]

Sorry, I thought you were a female, my bad, as I didn't look under your name. I give you credit for coming to CF and even though you were drinking when you made your OP you also poured out your feelings and have not completely given up on God as you are trying to figure out all these feelings you have within yourself. It's a struggle as many of us have been there being hurt by a church we use to attend and even to the point of wanting to commit suicide. I pray for you that you finally get everything sorted out and it's up to you which path you will walk down and to also know there are Christians that do care for you as I am one of them

Thank you.

 

[unknown1991-old]

Hmm, same old same old from every christian. Don't worry, I wont embarrass you in public what we talked about in private, but you're just like everyone else I've ever encountered. You don't want to talk to me personally. Instead, when you get uncomfortable, you try to back out of the conversation and throw a couple scriptures at me and that's it. You don't want to engage me on a personal level. You claim to be godly, but you don't want to take time with others.

You are just like the rest. Just like everyone else I've ever encountered in the church. What a way to win a heart for Christ!!!

I told you, if I wanted to just hear what I wanted to hear, I could find some witchcraft forum and be fed all day long! But instead I chose to come here. I was hungry for something, but you don't want to engage me on a personal level. You are no different from any of my other experiences in the church. In fact, you exemplify them!

Talk to me like a person and you might win me over. God, I gave you the keys to the kingdom, so to speak, I was open to you, and you just show me you're like everyone else in the church. Deluded, and stuck in your own little pathetic world and can't and wont relate to anyone outside your circle. People like you is why I refuse to ever attend church again.

This is partly why I'm disgusted with the church and christianity.

Later.

 

[PrimFinallyFoundGod!]

That's not an answer. I want to talk to someone and have a real discussion. (I'm just being very straight-forward with you so please don''t take offense) but saying "follow close behind Him" does not convince me of anything. Engage me in a real discussion!

So anyone doesn't think I'm full of crap, I consider myself a green witch. I don't work with deities or gods, I've had my fill of gods thank you. I just work with nature and the elements.

Talk to me.

An answer is an answer, it may not be what you like (this is a Christian forum) but it is.

Are you asking to be convinced? Debate? Do you know why you felt compelled to post here?

I'm the opposite of you. My sister sucked me into paganism and some frightening stuff happened. Turned more agnostic. Then I finally found God. I recently got diagnosed with C-PTSD amongst other issues so I need peace and love. I've personally found that in Christ. My church is very loving they've helped me through very dark things. Its the only place I truly feel myself.

I suppose all I will say to you on this is, don't allow the bad church the power to cloud your judgement. If you want to be a witch, that's your choice. We believe that God gave everyone free-will. But if you want dialogue and are open-minded in some way, state so and people will come at you from all different angles as there are many different type of Christian. Not just in denomination but Christians who walk the walk and Christians who are only Christian on sundays (like those you encountered)

 

[PrimFinallyFoundGod!]

Hmm, same old same old from every christian. Don't worry, I wont embarrass you in public what we talked about in private, but you're just like everyone else I've ever encountered. You don't want to talk to me personally. Instead, when you get uncomfortable, you try to back out of the conversation and throw a couple scriptures at me and that's it. You don't want to engage me on a personal level. You claim to be godly, but you don't want to take time with others.

You are just like the rest. Just like everyone else I've ever encountered in the church. What a way to win a heart for Christ!!!

I told you, if I wanted to just hear what I wanted to hear, I could find some witchcraft forum and be fed all day long! But instead I chose to come here. I was hungry for something, but you don't want to engage me on a personal level. You are no different from any of my other experiences in the church. In fact, you exemplify them!

Talk to me like a person and you might win me over. God, I gave you the keys to the kingdom, so to speak, I was open to you, and you just show me you're like everyone else in the church. Deluded, and stuck in your own little pathetic world and can't and wont relate to anyone outside your circle. People like you is why I refuse to ever attend church again.

This is partly why I'm disgusted with the church and christianity.

Later.

You seem very angry and hateful towards Christians because you've had bad experiences and don't understand how Christians think when they try to share gospel. Ironically you are also just like the rest who come here hateful all because they had a bad experience and want to take it out on more Christians. It's pretty discriminatory. I'm sorry you are filled with such hatred.

 

[unknown1991-old]

No, I'm sick of the same attitude from christians again and again. People who claim to love God but don't love others. I'm not going to embarrass the person I've had a personal conversation with over private message, but they proved they are no different from everyone else I have encountered. And that's what disgusts me about christians. I'm tired of the hypocrisy I see.

I opened my heart to them, and they just tried to end the conversation with me, threw a couple scriptures at me and were done. They don't want to talk to me like a person with real feelings and struggles. When they get uncomfortable and can't answer my questions, they try to shut down the conversation.

I don't care if you were pulled into paganism or not. That is your life and your life is your business. I'm talking about the fact that I encounter this time and again, and it doesn't exactly speak of God's love when people treat me the way they do. At least in the witchcraft community I've been accepted and heard. Unlike christianity where I was expected to tow the line and adhere to expectations before anyone would accept me. I'm done with that.

Which even, if I ever went back to God, I would never be able to tolerate going to another church again because of the, I will call, brainwashing, not abuse, that I had to endure there.

I have never seen such unaccepting and hypocritical people ever except in the church. If the moderators want to ban me for expressing my feelings here, you do realize, it will only empower me in my feelings and I wont ever come back to God? That's on you. I'm only being honest with you here.

So try again.

 

[GodsGrace]

No, I'm sick of the same attitude from christians again and again. People who claim to love God but don't love others. I'm not going to embarrass the person I've had a personal conversation with over private message, but they proved they are no different from everyone else I have encountered. And that's what disgusts me about christians. I'm tired of the hypocrisy I see.

I opened my heart to them, and they just tried to end the conversation with me, threw a couple scriptures at me and were done. They don't want to talk to me like a person with real feelings and struggles. When they get uncomfortable and can't answer my questions, they try to shut down the conversation.

I don't care if you were pulled into paganism or not. That is your life and your life is your business. I'm talking about the fact that I encounter this time and again, and it doesn't exactly speak of God's love when people treat me the way they do. At least in the witchcraft community I've been accepted and heard. Unlike christianity where I was expected to tow the line and adhere to expectations before anyone would accept me. I'm done with that.

Which even, if I ever went back to God, I would never be able to tolerate going to another church again because of the, I will call, brainwashing, not abuse, that I had to endure there.

I have never seen such unaccepting and hypocritical people ever except in the church. If the moderators want to ban me for expressing my feelings here, you do realize, it will only empower me in my feelings and I wont ever come back to God? That's on you. I'm only being honest with you here.

So try

YOU ARE DISTURBING OTHER MEMBERS.
YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE OR RISK BEING BANNED FROM CF.NET

YOUR CHOICE.

 

[Free]

No, I'm sick of the same attitude from christians again and again. People who claim to love God but don't love others. I'm not going to embarrass the person I've had a personal conversation with over private message, but they proved they are no different from everyone else I have encountered. And that's what disgusts me about christians. I'm tired of the hypocrisy I see.

I opened my heart to them, and they just tried to end the conversation with me, threw a couple scriptures at me and were done. They don't want to talk to me like a person with real feelings and struggles. When they get uncomfortable and can't answer my questions, they try to shut down the conversation.

I don't care if you were pulled into paganism or not. That is your life and your life is your business. I'm talking about the fact that I encounter this time and again, and it doesn't exactly speak of God's love when people treat me the way they do. At least in the witchcraft community I've been accepted and heard. Unlike christianity where I was expected to tow the line and adhere to expectations before anyone would accept me. I'm done with that.

Which even, if I ever went back to God, I would never be able to tolerate going to another church again because of the, I will call, brainwashing, not abuse, that I had to endure there.

I have never seen such unaccepting and hypocritical people ever except in the church. If the moderators want to ban me for expressing my feelings here, you do realize, it will only empower me in my feelings and I wont ever come back to God? That's on you. I'm only being honest with you here.

So try again.

Are you being honest with yourself that it is everyone else's fault? How are Christians treating you that is hypocritical? In what ways are Christians being unaccepting of you?

 

[unknown1991-old]

I was only expressing my feelings. Then ban me if you want. I'm only expressing my feelings and anger, and if you want to shut that down, so be it. I claim the GDPR and ask you remove any and all content of mine (delete it), including my profile.

General Data Protection Regulation - Wikipedia

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The official PDF of the Regulation (EU) 2016/679 – known as GDPR – its recitals & key issues as a neatly arranged website.

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Or risk being sued.

 

[unknown1991-old]

Are you being honest with yourself that it is everyone else's fault? How are Christians treating you that is hypocritical? In what ways are Christians being unaccepting of you?

wondering is hurt by what I said. Never have I not spoken the truth. But she is choosing to shut me down as a result. If you will ban me, I claim the GDPR and request you remove any and all content of mine that I have posted here.

If you want to actually have a real conversation with me and let me remain, I am willing. But treat me like a person. It's up to you.

 

[Free]

wondering is hurt by what I said. Never have I not spoken the truth. But she is choosing to shut me down as a result. If you will ban me, I claim the GDPR and request you remove any and all content of mine that I have posted here.

That has nothing to do with what I posted. Are you going to answer my questions?

 

[unknown1991-old]

That has nothing to do with what I posted. Are you going to answer my questions?

I will continue to talk with you if you let me stay. Or ban me. It's your choice. Unlike some people, I was being honest with my feelings. I'm more than willing to talk, but it's up to you. Do you want to shut me down, or do you care? I'm asking an honest question of you.

 

[for_his_glory]

I will continue to talk with you if you let me stay. Or ban me. It's your choice. Unlike some people, I was being honest with my feelings. I'm more than willing to talk, but it's up to you. Do you want to shut me down, or do you care? I'm asking an honest question of you.

We are on page five of you pouring out your feelings. When are you going to let others help you with them instead of attacking and blaming others. It's getting kind of old.

 

[GodsGrace]

We are on page five of you pouring out your feelings. When are you going to let others help you with them instead of attacking and blaming others. It's getting kind of old.

This thread needs to be closed down.