Bible Study Faith in Christ

[Doug Brents]

Acts 10:44-46 says, “While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those hearing the word. And the believers who were of the circumcision, as many as had accompanied Peter, were amazed, because on the Gentiles also the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out; for they heard them speaking in tongues and magnifying God.”

It seems you have a lop-sided understanding of Scripture.
Nothing that you support has Scriptural support.
You need to be retaught Scripture.
Do you have someone at home that can do that for you?
There are several people on this forum who can teach you if you are willing.

Sorry, but your claim does not hold water. Look over at the next chapter, and the Spirit reveals in Peter's defense of his actions to the other Apostles why the Spirit fell on Cornelius before he was immersed into Christ. Looking at Acts 11:15 we see that the Spirit fell on Cornelius "as [Peter] began to speak". When he began to speak, Cornelius had not yet heard the Gospel. And if he had not heard the Gospel, he could not have believed the Gospel.

No, the purpose of the Spirit falling on Cornelius was to show the Jews that the Gentiles were acceptable to God to be added to His Church.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Sorry, but your claim does not hold water. Look over at the next chapter, and the Spirit reveals in Peter's defense of his actions to the other Apostles why the Spirit fell on Cornelius before he was immersed into Christ. Looking at Acts 11:15 we see that the Spirit fell on Cornelius "as [Peter] began to speak". When he began to speak, Cornelius had not yet heard the Gospel. And if he had not heard the Gospel, he could not have believed the Gospel.

No, the purpose of the Spirit falling on Cornelius was to show the Jews that the Gentiles were acceptable to God to be added to His Church.

And I suppose you are a non-believer in the gift of tongues as a sign of receiving the Holy Spirit.
Do you belong to a denomination who believes this stuff or do you stand alone?

 

[Doug Brents]

Since the need for miraculous demonstration of the Spirit ended when what we call the Bible was completely written, around AD100, there is no more miraculous events today.

The purpose of miracles was to prove the authorship of the message they brought. See Moses when he asked God, what sign shall I show the people that they may believe me? God gave him the sign of turning his hand leprous, and turning his staff into a snake. The same was said of Jesus. When Nicodemus came to Jesus he said, "Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him." The purpose of Jesus' signs and miracles was to prove to the people that He was not only from God, but was God.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Acts 10:44-46 says, “While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those hearing the word. And the believers who were of the circumcision, as many as had accompanied Peter, were amazed, because on the Gentiles also the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out; for they heard them speaking in tongues and magnifying God.”

It seems you have a lop-sided understanding of Scripture.
Nothing that you support has Scriptural support.
You need to be retaught Scripture.
Do you have someone at home that can do that for you?
There are several people on this forum who can teach you if you are willing.

Acts 10:44-46 speaks about the Holy Spirit falling upon the Gentiles. It fell upon the Apostles (Jews) in Acts 2 fulfilling Joel's prophecy about the Spirit being poured out upon "all flesh" (Jew and Gentile).

Acts 11:15 " And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning."

If the Holy Spirit falling upon Christians was common event among all Christians, then why did Peter have to go back years to "the beginning" (Pentecost) to find another example of the Holy Ghost falling upon men?

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

And I suppose you are a non-believer in the gift of tongues as a sign of receiving the Holy Spirit.
Do you belong to a denomination who believes this stuff or do you stand alone?

I agree with him. Miracles had a particular purpose for a particular time and fulfilled their purpose in their time in the first century. No need for them today.

John 20:30-31
"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. "

The verb "are written" is perfect tense, perfect tense describes an action that has an abiding, ongoing effect, not needed to be repeated.

John wrote those miracles down that Christ performed so they would keep on inducing a belief in men today as they did 2000 years ago when Christ actually performed them.

Therefore there are no need for miracles today since John wrote them down whereby we today can read about them and believe them. To claim we need miracles today undermines the whole point/reason of John writing them down for us today. But since John wrote them down, then those miracles still have an ongoing abiding effect (perfect tense) to induce a belief in men today. Therefore no need for repetition of those miracles.

 

[for_his_glory]

lol i dont have to show you anything which is the reason i had not replied

It is reasonable to back yourself up when someone request that you show them in scripture of what you speak of. This is how we discuss, especially in unity of love for one another.

 

[for_his_glory]

i simply can not tolerate this foolishness anymore. i have ignored him

It is not foolishness to him as this is what he is taught. We might not agree as evident in here, but yet allow him or anyone else to express what they believe. We all have common ground and that is Christ Jesus.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Acts 10:44-46 speaks about the Holy Spirit falling upon the Gentiles. It fell upon the Apostles (Jews) in Acts 2 fulfilling Joel's prophecy about the Spirit being poured out upon "all flesh" (Jew and Gentile).

Acts 11:15 " And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning."

If the Holy Spirit falling upon Christians was common event among all Christians, then why did Peter have to go back years to "the beginning" (Pentecost) to find another example of the Holy Ghost falling upon men?

Why do you have to disagree with everything?
Are you really perfectly right all the time?
When was the last time someone on this forum actually taught you anything?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

And I had a miracle happen to me this past week.
No sense telling you what is was because you wouldn't believe it anyway.

 

[for_his_glory]

Romans 7:8-9
"But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died."

As an adult, Saul/Paul knew right from wrong, he knew God's law and had sinned therefore "died". So he cannot be talking about himself as an adult when he says "I was alive with the law once".

Yet when he was an infant/child he was alive without sin, innocent before God and being 'without law" means sin had no power over him, sin was dead to him being without law as an infant/child..

Mentally matured adults would know right from wrong (Romans 2:14) and have no excuse (Romans 1:20), ignorance is no excuse Romans 10:3

The topic is faith in Christ, Not grace verses works. I'm not going to get into a discussion about the law as it is not relevant to the OP.

Faith works come after we are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit that empowers us to go out into the world and continue in the good works of the Lord, Acts 2:37, 38; James 2:14-20. The good works are taking His Gospel message to the world as we too are His disciples and to love and help those in need as what we do we do unto the glory of the Lord Christ Jesus, Matthew 25:31-40.

 

[jerry63935]

It is not foolishness to him as this is what he is taught. We might not agree as evident in here, but yet allow him or anyone else to express what they believe. We all have common ground and that is Christ Jesus.

that is the problem taught to him and the j.w and lds are same way

 

[for_his_glory]

Rollo Tamasi and jerry63935, reel it in as you are both getting a little out of hand here with each other.

 

[Doug Brents]

And I had a miracle happen to me this past week.
No sense telling you what is was because you wouldn't believe it anyway.

Ahh, but was there a "miracle worker"? Amazing things happen all the time that are God wrought. These occur sometimes because God does something right then. Other times He does something by providence, meaning that He did something a long time ago to make the circumstances in this instant work out just the way He wanted them to for the benefit of His Kingdom.

But there are not miracle workers today, because the sum total of His Word is written in what we call the Bible. There are no new revelations, there is nothing to add to what was already written before 100AD, so there is no need for additional miracle workers. The Apostles alone had the power to pass on miraculous power. Those to whom they gave the miraculous works of the Holy Spirit could not then pass that on to others. So when the Apostles died (the last being John some time around 96 to 100AD), there was no one left with the ability to give additional people that ability. And when the last of the people to whom the last Apostle gave miraculous power died, the last miracle was done.

I am not discounting God's working in the world. Just 6 months ago, I was not looking for a new job, but a company called me and asked if I wanted a job. It looked good, so I took it. A month later, I found out that a week after I quit, the company I had been working for lost their contract in this area, and fired everyone else who worked for them. Only God could have known that was coming and provided that rescue for me and my family before I even knew there was a problem coming.

 

[jerry63935]

It is reasonable to back yourself up when someone request that you show them in scripture of what you speak of. This is how we discuss, especially in unity of love for one another.

i have backed my self up numerous times.. when its a type demand i dont respond

 

[Doug Brents]

It is not foolishness to him as this is what he is taught. We might not agree as evident in here, but yet allow him or anyone else to express what they believe. We all have common ground and that is Christ Jesus.

Just because we are taught something doesn't make the thing we were taught not foolishness. There are a lot of teachings going around in the disguise of Biblical Truth, but they are lies that are designed by the ultimate liar to keep as many as he can lost.

Now, it is not the fault of the person who was taught, unless they fail to seek out the truth for themselves. The fault ultimately rests with people who have studied the Word and still teach falsehood, like teaching that one can be saved before one is immersed into Jesus' death.

 

[for_his_glory]

that is the problem taught to him and the j.w and lds are same way

I do have a feeling that @Earnest T. Bass may be JW just by some of the statements he has made, but yet I don't know if he is or not. If he is then that would explain the indifference's we are having with him, but yet we need to be displaying love among us.

 

[jerry63935]

we need to be displaying love among us.

i spoke the truth in love

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

I do have a feeling that @Earnest T. Bass may be JW just by some of the statements he has made, but yet I don't know if he is or not. If he is then that would explain the indifference's we are having with him, but yet we need to be displaying love among us.

I am a member of the church of Christ.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Why do you have to disagree with everything?
Are you really perfectly right all the time?
When was the last time someone on this forum actually taught you anything?

It's wrong for me to disagree with others but ok for others to disagree with me????

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

It is not foolishness to him as this is what he is taught.

What I post on this forum, and other forums I participate on, come from years of my own personal study of God's word.
I am not the kind of person that believes a thing simply because someone says it. Just because a minister within the church of Christ preaches "x" does not automatically mean I will believe "x". I will only believe "x" after I put in time and study about "x" and reach my own conclusions about "x".