- Apr 22, 2011
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John 3:3-5 speaks of being born again, being born of Spirit and born of water.
The role of water is water baptism.
The role of the Holy Spirit is His word that instructs men on how to be saved (believe repent confess and baptism). Those that obey those instructions are said to be born again by the word (1 Pet 1:23) begat/born by the word (James 1:18). Eph 3:4 says men and read and understand and says nothing about supernatural intervention of the Holy Spirit.
Again, if understanding requires supernatural intervention of the Holy Spirit then the Holy Spirit has culpability in those lacking in understanding.
1 Cor 12:3 no one can Jesus is Lord except he get his information from the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit gives out that information in His written word which men can read and understand.
1 Cor 2:14 " But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
This does not say men cannot understand the Bible such an idea contradicts Eph 3:4; Eph 5:27.
The natural man in this context is the man that hears God's word understands it but rejects it. It says nothing about inability to understand.
--if the natural man cannot understands the Bible when he reads/hears it, then how can he understand any newspaper, magazine tv show that he hears and sees?
--the verse says the things of God are foolishness to the spiritual man. For the natural man to judge it as foolishness shows he must have some understanding of God's word, processed it (understood it) to judge it as foolishness. For the natural man here to judge the gospel as foolish then he must know something about what the gospel says, claims.
Acts 7, Stephen preached the gospel to lost, "unregenerate", spiritually dead men. They UNDERSTOOD what Stephen preached to them but they did not like it. They rejected and hated it so much they killed Stephen. They did not kill Stephen because they did not understand what he preached but killed him for they DID understand and hated it. Acts 7:54 " When they heard these things.." Heard carrie the idea of understanding. They understood and were "cut to the heart".
On the other hand in Acts 2 we again have lost spiritually dead men who heard the gospel preached by Peter. They understood what Peter preached and 'pricked in the heart" by it and believed it and asked what they must do. They did not ask Peter what they must do because they did not understand what he preached.
--"spiritually judged" things are spiritually judged by the written word (Acts 17:11). Those that hear (understand) the word but reject the word will have no interest in spiritual things as those in Jeremiah 8:9 rejected it.
1 Corinthians Chapter 2 is all about Heavenly wisdom that the natural (carnal) mind can not understand as it is all foolishness to them.
Matthew 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Jesus is speaking about Spiritual ears that are imperative for Spiritual understanding that comes when we are indwelled with the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things of the hidden mysteries of the word of God. The disciples could not understand the teachings of Christ until they were indwelled with the Holy Spirit who gave them the Spiritual understanding of what Jesus taught, before Jesus sent them out into the nations preaching the Gospel.
The natural man is the one born from their mothers womb. The Spiritual inner man is born of the Spirit. The natural can not perceive the things of the Spirit as it is foolishness to their hearing.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.