Faith v. Logic

[Veritas]

True Jon_Marc,
But I think some don't realize, or choose not to examine what they have already accepted by faith by accepting the very fact reason and logic are valid. (Or hide behind quantum physics, Quath. ;))

Reason and logic are unquestionable. Think about it. If you do question it, you've just undercut the pinnings of your own question.

If you examine it further, you'll find reason truely is beyond the natural realm. (I believe, of course, that its of God's realm, a gift to us; but we don't have to go there yet.)

If you are "reasonable", you already at least believe in the Supernatural. (Now I know I'll rile up the naturalists and atheists now )

By the way Quath, if you're interested... I'm around to talk again.

 

[MarkT]

I'm curious what arguments each of you would use if to get an Atheist to consider becoming a Christian you needed to win him over with logic instead of appealing to a leap of faith.

This, in my mind, is the only sound way of conversion. And I believe it to be the only way, for the most part, that any atheist will consider becoming a Christian - is if logic and reason is on our side instead of theirs.

So feel free to offer suggestions. Until one's faith is based on reasonable assumptions, their arguments will fall flat. If you wish to list prophecy, please explain how the passage is prophetic and how it was fulfilled and when, etc.

My opinion so far, however illogical or logical it may be, is that either God or universal causes brought about our existence. My concern is why atheists wish to choose the universal cause over God; and if they wish to reject God, then what is their reasoning for choosing a universal cause over God and which 'cause' would this be? And if an Atheist cannot explain the beginning/end/infinity of the universe, what biases or logic leads them to accept a Godless structure to the universe?

Atheists are welcome just as Christians are to participate in this thread and offer their opinions.

Generally we have nothing to do with unbelievers. They're dead as far as we are concerned.