Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !

[Elijah674]

Free Will?? Here is one from another site that touches more of your satanic cancer postings. Just more false 1/2 'g'ospel stuff which is NO GOSPEL at all! Some Truth & much gatbage! (of James 2:10 or 1 John 2:4) --Elijah
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[FONT=Verdana,arial]renee829369 wrote: [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]God is Love. However there are a lot of things that God Hates. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]He hates false doctrine above all else. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]He hates Idolatry. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]He hates sin. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]He hates death. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]God’s main goal, is to abolish sin and death from the earth. To do that He has to first do something about Satan, as he has told us. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]Then He has given man all kinds of chances to find and follow TRUTH, those that refuse, He has already told us, though many don’t believe Him, they will follow in the footsteps of Satan, with the same damnation. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]To follow God amid all of the garbage of this world, takes Faith. Faith is built on FREE WILL. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]If following God is not done freely, it is BONDAGE. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]Just because God, that knows the end from the beginning, knew that man would sin, does not mean that He willed it. God hates sin. He is NOT THE AUTHOR OF SIN. Therefore he gives man the choice, develop FAITH thru the choices we make of our own FREE WILL, or die in sin and pay the penalty. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]Jesus came to abolish sin and death, and he could only do that thru a people that choose to serve Him of their own Free Will, even though they have to endure hardness, persecution to develop their character, filled with His Spirit with the helpers of the Gifts of the Spirit, developing the Fruit of the Spirit. Gradually perfecting them, to live a holy life.[/FONT]
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So far, so good. You say: ' God’s main goal, is to abolish sin and death from the earth. To do that He has to first do something about Satan, as he has told us.'

But there are many more to be BLOTTED FROM ETERNITY Gal! The universe with anything where satan & sinful man has contaminated will be Eternally Removed. [ETERNITY Obad. 1:16] A LOVING GOD WILL DO NO LESS! And Burning all sinners alike somewhere in the center of the earth is as bad as satan can get with HATE for God!

My wife told me yesterday of some Pentacostals in Tenn. who were on the world news. Even had a segment pictured with them handeling rattlesnakes & copperheads, and how they talked in tongues. And how God prophesied of its truth!

And yes, nevermind Christ's Matt. 4:7's REQUIRED Word of ALL HIS WORDS to make up His Truth, huh?

And God is to be TEMPTED by us to PROVE HIS LOVE??? But who even reads His other WORDS of Deut. 6

[16] Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.
[17] Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.
[18] And thou shalt do that which is right and good in the sight of the LORD: that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest go in and possess the good land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers,
[19] To cast out all thine enemies from before thee, as the LORD hath spoken.

And FORUM: This part of the OT is FINISHED?? We will soon see who Loves God/Christ & who the presumptous ones of Rev. 17:1-5 [all] are!

Whatever??

---Elijah

 

[savedbygrace57]

And the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all!

Many false teachers are deliberately ignorant of this matter Isa 53:6

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Of when God did lay all the iniquities of His Elect to the Charge of Christ ! They teach it as though God does not do it, not until one believes, however that is a serious mistake in judgment !

There is a different time element involved as to when God laid the sin of the elect upon Christ, and when one finds peace through believing of that fact. God's act of laying the sins of the elect is solely an act of God alone, however the act of believing belongs to the one believing. The believing is merely coming into the Knowledge of God's act done in the past, an act that only involved He and Christ their Surety ! Now the application of the blessing can be in the present or the future, but the act of God's Non imputation of the sins of the elect, is always a thing of the past, for Paul preached it so to the Corinthians 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Also this non imputation and the blessing of it was known by the OT Saints as Here Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Paul preached an past act of God, whereby God instead of imputing or charging sin on the elect world, He made Christ sin [by an act of imputation] instead, also Christ was made unto a guilty sinner by imputation, and by that all the actual transgressions of God's elect world were laid to His Charge or account. Now the Truth of the matter is this, no one can be a True Believer that Christ died for their sins, unless their had been an aforetime Act of God, of imputing their sins to Christ in the past !

 

[savedbygrace57]

Eph 2:8-10


Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Those who insist that Faith in this passage is something they do or an condition they perform to become created in Christ Jesus unto good works, then they are arrogantly, and blasphemously stating that they had an active part in God's Work of Creation. They assisted God in Creating them, for this is the epotime of the wicked heart saying Isa 14:14

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

2 Thess 2:4

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Elijah674]

Free Will?? Here is one from another site that touches more of your satanic cancer postings. Just more false 1/2 'g'ospel stuff which is NO GOSPEL at all! Some Truth & much gatbage! (of James 2:10 or 1 John 2:4) --Elijah
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[FONT=Verdana,arial]renee829369 wrote: [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]God is Love. However there are a lot of things that God Hates. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]He hates false doctrine above all else. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]He hates Idolatry. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]He hates sin. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]He hates death. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]God’s main goal, is to abolish sin and death from the earth. To do that He has to first do something about Satan, as he has told us. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]Then He has given man all kinds of chances to find and follow TRUTH, those that refuse, He has already told us, though many don’t believe Him, they will follow in the footsteps of Satan, with the same damnation. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]To follow God amid all of the garbage of this world, takes Faith. Faith is built on FREE WILL. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]If following God is not done freely, it is BONDAGE. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]Just because God, that knows the end from the beginning, knew that man would sin, does not mean that He willed it. God hates sin. He is NOT THE AUTHOR OF SIN. Therefore he gives man the choice, develop FAITH thru the choices we make of our own FREE WILL, or die in sin and pay the penalty. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]Jesus came to abolish sin and death, and he could only do that thru a people that choose to serve Him of their own Free Will, even though they have to endure hardness, persecution to develop their character, filled with His Spirit with the helpers of the Gifts of the Spirit, developing the Fruit of the Spirit. Gradually perfecting them, to live a holy life.[/FONT]
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So far, so good. You say: ' God’s main goal, is to abolish sin and death from the earth. To do that He has to first do something about Satan, as he has told us.'

But there are many more to be BLOTTED FROM ETERNITY Gal! The universe with anything where satan & sinful man has contaminated will be Eternally Removed. [ETERNITY Obad. 1:16] A LOVING GOD WILL DO NO LESS! And Burning all sinners alike somewhere in the center of the earth is as bad as satan can get with HATE for God!

My wife told me yesterday of some Pentacostals in Tenn. who were on the world news. Even had a segment pictured with them handeling rattlesnakes & copperheads, and how they talked in tongues. And how God prophesied of its truth!

And yes, nevermind Christ's Matt. 4:7's REQUIRED Word of ALL HIS WORDS to make up His Truth, huh?

And God is to be TEMPTED by us to PROVE HIS LOVE??? But who even reads His other WORDS of Deut. 6

[16] Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.
[17] Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.
[18] And thou shalt do that which is right and good in the sight of the LORD: that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest go in and possess the good land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers,
[19] To cast out all thine enemies from before thee, as the LORD hath spoken.

And FORUM: This part of the OT is FINISHED?? We will soon see who Loves God/Christ & who the presumptous ones of Rev. 17:1-5 [all] are!

Whatever??

---Elijah

Me again Lord.

Naw Lord, this Gen. 4:7 'desired dude' has Violated Your very WORD here of 'REASON TOGETHER'. satan say's that this site needs to know & understand that you just shoot foolish 100% Total Sibmission's to be re/born Acts 5:32 false bullets! And reason together??? satan say's that it is not possible for this one to change from his 'pre/programed' lunatick'ism! (and that spelling?? that to is your fault Lord!;))
And NO Lord, we do know that satan does indeed have 'basket cases' all around today!


When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide my eyes from you; even if you offer many prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood; wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight! Stop doing wrong, learn to do right! Seek justice, encourage the oppressed. Defend the cause of the fatherless, plead the case of the widow. "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.

Isaiah 1:15 - 18

--Elijah

 

[savedbygrace57]

Works of Righteousness !


Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

A work is a thing done ! The word for works is ergon and means:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

Righteousness here means:

integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and acting

Things that we do which are right or correct, correctness of thinking.

The word done means:

to act rightly, do well

1) to carry out, to execute

b) to do a thing unto one

1) to do to one

That word is used with works in many places as here:

Matt 7:22

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

John 7:21

21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.

Believing in Christ is one of many works of Righteousness a man does, so if one says they are Justified before God because of their act of believing

The word believing, pisteuo means :

to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in

Thinking right or correct is a Righteousness according to the definition above for Righteousness from Tit 3:5

So those of you that insist you get saved or Justified before God based on your believing, you reject the fundamental teaching of Titus 3:5, and espouse a false teaching of Salvation by your works ! You see, being saved is not by works or acts of Righteousness which we have done !

 

[John O]

Works of Righteousness !

So those of you that insist you get saved or Justified before God based on your believing, you reject the fundamental teaching of Titus 3:5, and espouse a false teaching of Salvation by your works ! You see, being saved is not by works or acts of Righteousness which we have done !

I hear a familiar noise in the background, it is the noise of a stuck record. Surely it is time to move on to the fruit of salvation instead of nit picking over definitions.

So can we possibly hope you will loose the poor stuck record.

John O

 

[savedbygrace57]

He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second !

Heb 10:9

Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Many today are deluded into believing that there is a future time coming, the millennium they call it, when God restores and earthly jewish nation that brings back the OC system of worship, all this because they canalize OT Prophecies, especially in Ezk, but this is a most grave error, and only those whom Christ died for shall escape this deadly deception. The Truth of the matter is, since the oblation of Christ, there is no more need for such sacrifices and offerings, and His Offering has once and for all has done away with them, for God has now no pleasure in them, except for that temporal purpose that led up to Christ. In this regards look at Heb 7:18-19

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Heb 9:6-10

6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

For the sake of space please read Heb 10:1-9 to clarify this point !

Now that Christ has come and offered up Himself under the New Covenant Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Its no more time to revert back to that which God has taken away, but now and ever since, God has been about establishing the Second, that is the New Covenant and its attending blessings to a specific People Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:6-12.

The word establish Heb 10:9 is the greek word histēmi and means:


to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set

to make firm, fix establish

Now for men to teach a reverting back, is very dishonoring to God and to Christ, the Mediator of the New Covenant. It would be insane for God to go back to a system that made nothing perfect. Also it would make no sense at all that such reverting would be commemorating of the Lord Jesus Christ and His offering, for he gave instruction for that here 1 Cor 11:23-26

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

 

[Elijah674]

He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second !

Heb 10:9

Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Many today are deluded into believing that there is a future time coming, the millennium they call it, when God restores and earthly jewish nation that brings back the OC system of worship, all this because they canalize OT Prophecies, especially in Ezk, but this is a most grave error, and only those whom Christ died for shall escape this deadly deception. The Truth of the matter is, since the oblation of Christ, there is no more need for such sacrifices and offerings, and His Offering has once and for all has done away with them, for God has now no pleasure in them, except for that temporal purpose that led up to Christ. In this regards look at Heb 7:18-19

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Heb 9:6-10

6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

For the sake of space please read Heb 10:1-9 to clarify this point !

Now that Christ has come and offered up Himself under the New Covenant Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Its no more time to revert back to that which God has taken away, but now and ever since, God has been about establishing the Second, that is the New Covenant and its attending blessings to a specific People Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:6-12.

The word establish Heb 10:9 is the greek word histēmi and means:


to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set

to make firm, fix establish

Now for men to teach a reverting back, is very dishonoring to God and to Christ, the Mediator of the New Covenant. It would be insane for God to go back to a system that made nothing perfect. Also it would make no sense at all that such reverting would be commemorating of the Lord Jesus Christ and His offering, for he gave instruction for that here 1 Cor 11:23-26

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

--Elijah here:
Your posting's remind me of the 2 Cor, 4:1-2 Jesuit ways to divert the thread topic of...Re: Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !

It seems that that might even of been you that started it!

And the above?? You best understand that the WORK of Our Savior Jesus Christ, as our High Priest IS STILL THERE DOING HIS WORK of 'the' REPENTANT. And 'your' posting of His message is that He is 'the man of sin' one! [Is SICK!} + DIRTY!:robot

He is clearly seen in Rev. 11 at the time of the JUDGEMENT & the giving out ones REWARD...

[18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

[19] And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

And verse 19 finds that the Judgement is NOT OVER until Christ as our High Priest still has mankind being born & REPENTING!
Or as some who had at one time had their name recorded in the Lambs Book of Life are seen to have them REMOVED! 2 Peter 2:19-22, Eccl. 3:14, Rev. 22:18-19 + Heb. 6:1-6 & on & on!

But forum: This is just one of the many very false doctrines that points out who the Anti/Christ free in sin & not from sin ones are. There are manny! Start with James 2:10 Even note what the above ones of 2 Peter 'promise' in verse 19 & how they live??

 

[savedbygrace57]

Self Righteousness !


Self Righteousness , by nature we are all this, and except a New Birth from above, we will be deceived with this ! For the scripture says not in vain Jer 17:9

9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Notice what was said a few verses before ! Jer 17:5

Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

This is freewillism to the T and Self Righteousness !

Self righteousness is the thought process of men whereby we think God saves us or blesses us with Eternal Blessings based upon who we are or our performances or us meeting certain conditions. It has to do with our achievement or who we are. This thinking believe it or not is the mark of the beast in the forehead which denotes the mind, where we think or the right hand denoting how we work or perform.

This is what it means Rev 13:16

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Folks, this mark is our own by nature self righteousness before God ! It is trusting in our own ability to perform some kind of conditions to make it right with God !

 

[Elijah674]

Good Truth from another site on the subject.;)
--Elijah

No. 0 Original Topic: Lets say that nobody had freewill, would we really still have a need forThe Holy Spirit? By: insular926 Gender: M at 07-12-2012 11:23 Viewed 9 times

 

[Cassian]

Good Truth from another site on the subject.;)
--Elijah

No. 0 Original Topic: Lets say that nobody had freewill, would we really still have a need forThe Holy Spirit? By: insular926 Gender: M at 07-12-2012 11:23 Viewed 9 times

the answer is NO. We would not even need any kind of revelation. Do trees and animals have revelation? Do they need to know about God? Do they need to know what to do with God?

 

[savedbygrace57]

Will do all My Good Pleasure !

Isa 46:10

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

The God I serve say's He will do all His pleasure. It does not matter the context of this statement, but just know there is a context that contains this Truth about the True and Living God !

The god of false religionists, he desires and his pleasure is for all men without exception to be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth as they say that is what 1 Tim 2:4 means, yet he will not do it, and so suffereth his pleasure not to be done !

The word pleasure in Isa 46:10 is the hebrew word chephets and means:


delight, pleasure

a) delight

b) desire, longing

c) the good pleasure

d) that in which one takes delight

And the word will in 1 Tim 2:4 is thelō
and means:

) to will, have in mind, intend

a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose

b) to desire, to wish

c) to love

1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing

d) to take delight in, have pleasure


So you see, the True God does all His desire, but the false god does not !

 

[savedbygrace57]

What of water baptism ?


Many in apostate religion have corrupted the ordinance of water baptism from it's biblical usage. Water baptism has never been a condition for salvation, but it was a confession openly of what was believed to have already taken place !

It was the answer of a good conscience, following conversion and giving evidence of it ! 1 Pet 3:21

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[Elijah674]

Good Truth from another site on the subject.;)
--Elijah

No. 0 Original Topic: Lets say that nobody had freewill, would we really still have a need forThe Holy Spirit? By: insular926 Gender: M at 07-12-2012 11:23 Viewed 9 times
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And here today we read in bottom/line that.... 'savedbygrace57

What of water baptism ?'
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So then we need not OBEY THE HOLY SPIRIT and be baptised?? That is a work, huh? And the 120 yrs. of STRIVINGS for the pre/flood ones by the Holy Spirit + Noah's preaching was just a waste of GRIEVING BY GOD. You teach that none could change the outcome.

And then in another place you post this up...

Originally Posted by savedbygrace57
Works of Righteousness !

So those of you that insist you get saved or Justified before God based on your believing, you reject the fundamental teaching of Titus 3:5, and espouse a false teaching of Salvation by your works ! You see, being saved is not by works or acts of Righteousness which we have done !

Elijah here again: I have been around here about as long as you (or longer) and it seems to me that if you want any creditability, you would tell the truth on the above remark and tell us that you had not found any who post on this forum, who 'expouse a false teaching of Salvation by your works!' If 'i' missed one, post it up.

Do you know what 2 Cor. 4:2 implies for ones honesty??

[2] But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
[3] But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

--Elijah
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[savedbygrace57]

It was counted for Righteousness !

Gen 15:6

And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Rom 4:3

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

What was counted to Abraham for Righteousness ? The antichrist crowd have sorely abused this passage, and would have us believe that Paul is teaching here as well as Moses in the previous in Gen 15 that God counts one Righteous because of an act of believing ! You see, it cannot mean that because believing is an act of man, and God nowhere reckons man righteous because of an act of man, but only for the act of Christ. Paul writes that by the obedience of ONE, that being Christ, shall many be made Righteous Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Believing is man's obedience Gal 3:1

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? See Gal 5:7 also !

You see what I mean, if one is made righteous because of their believing or act of Faith, then that overturns the clear Truth of Rom 5:19 that the many are made righteous by the obedience of one, that being Jesus Christ !

So what was it that was accounted to Abraham as Righteousness ? First lets understand that it is first said that Abraham believed God ! This means God said something or revealed something to him in order for him to believe ! What was it that God revealed to him ?

God revealed to him a promise Rom 4:20-22

20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Now what was the promise ? The first promise scripture gives that was made to Abraham and was continually developed was this one Gen 12:1-3

Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Now Paul reveals to us later in the NT that this promise was the Gospel preached unto Abraham Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

The Gospel revealed to Abraham was that Christ , His Seed should die for his sins 1 Cor 15:1-3

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Now, Paul also wrote that in it [The Gospel] that the Righteousness of God is Revealed to Faith Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

This Righteousness of God is made to us because God made Christ to be sin for us, why ? 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Now how was Christ made sin for us ? Was it not by imputation ? How are we made the Righteousness of God ? By Imputation.

The word imputation is the same word for counted in Rom 4:3

So you see, the word impute or counted is used in regards of sin or righteousness, that is Our sins to Christ or His Righteousness to us is what is imputed or counted.

So what was imputed to Abraham for Righteousness in Rom 4:3 ? It was Christ Righteousness, the object of His Faith after it [Christ Righteousness] was revealed to him in the Gospel Gen 12:3; Gal 3:8; Rom 1:16-17

Christ's imputed Righteousness was counted to Abraham for Righteousness and that is what Abraham believed God About !

Now for those who hold that Abraham's Faith as in his act of believing in and of itself is his righteousness, you are guilty of preaching a false gospel, a gospel of works !

 

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It was counted for Righteousness ! Pt 2

Christ is what God promised to perform and it was through Him and By Him the Abrahamic Seed was made Righteous. This is what Abraham believed and what was counted to him for Righteousness.

Rom 4:20-25

20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

The Lord Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of that promise to be performed. Now this is seen here Lk 1:67-75


67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

He is the Righteousness and Holiness imputed to Abraham, the performance of the promise, that Abraham Believed God about !

That is what had been Imputed to him for Righteousness, Christ ! For Christ is the Righteousness of the believer, not their act of believing ! Jer 33:16

In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.

Faith imputed to him as Righteousness Rom 4:5

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

This means, instead of working or meeting conditions for Righteousness, Faith embraces the revealed Righteousness we have, by what Christ [the object of our Faith] accomplished, and His Righteousness is what was imputed, so we read Rom 4:6

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Works here meaning nothing we have done. It is the greek word ergon and means:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

Now believing is something done by the Mind or heart of a Man ! So it would be inconsistent with Paul's point if Abraham or us are Righteous because of our act of believing or Faith, thats works, and Righteousness is imputed without works says the scripture of truth ! Rom 4:6

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

 

[John O]

It was counted for Righteousness !

Gen 15:6

And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Rom 4:3

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

What was counted to Abraham for Righteousness ? The antichrist crowd have sorely abused this passage, and would have us believe that Paul is teaching here as well as Moses in the previous in Gen 15 that God counts one Righteous because of an act of believing ! You see, it cannot mean that because believing is an act of man, and God nowhere reckons man righteous because of an act of man, but only for the act of Christ. Paul writes that by the obedience of ONE, that being Christ, shall many be made Righteous Rom 5:19

Either what God said is true or it isn't. We do not get to take out the passages we disagree with.

The verses you quote clearly state what God says to be true yet you are unable to accept it because of a belief system that is opposed to it.

John O

 

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If repentance and faith are conditions for man to perform in order to secure to one spiritual life, then man was not spiritually dead in sin and without the life of God as scripture declares he is by nature. Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

Eph 4:18

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

The word alienated is a strong word and means:

1) to alienate, estrange

2) to be shut out from one's fellowship and intimacy

belonging to another

2) foreign, strange, not of one's own family, alien, an enemy

And so man in this state could perform vital acts such as faith and repentance.

For all such acts must proceed from life. Also Jesus must have been mistaken when He said Jn 6:53

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

The point and truth is this, those vital living actions proceed from Life, a Living Faith which is opposed to a dead faith James 2:17, a Living hope and Godly repentance do proceed from from Life given in the New Birth which is a blessing of the Covenant ! 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Contrary to the Antichrist followers teaching, before man can perform anything pleasing to God, such as Faith Heb 11:6, he must have first received spiritual and resurrected life from the dead Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

 

[Cassian]

savedbygrace57,

Contrary to the Antichrist followers teaching, before man can perform anything pleasing to God, such as Faith Heb 11:6, he must have first received spiritual and resurrected life from the dead Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

Contrary to your view, scripturs says Christ died for the ungodly, He died will we were yet sinners. These words, ungodly, sinners, applies to all men. YOu have never shown any text that states that some men were not ungodly, or not sinners.

Furthermore, Christ, by His Incarnation, was raised for justifiction to life of all men. This is known as the great Gift of God's Mercy to mankind. Rom 5:18.
The dead in Eph 2:1, 2:5 is speaking about mankind. All men, in fact the world, was saved by God's grace. Christ gave life to the world. II Cor 5:18-19 also attests to that truth.

What you have utterly failed to show is the limitation you place upon Christ's redeeming work. YOu have yet to refute John 4:42, I John 4:14.

YOu have yet to give any substantative answer or examples of your hypothetical anti-christ followers. YOu have a very weak straw man to begin with, but worse is the theology you are espousing which has little to do with scripture. YOu are unable to defend your position Which shows that it is not scriptural.

 

[savedbygrace57]

The Free Gift of Justification !


We know that Free Gift of Justification is not a offer as the antichrist followers teaches, simply by understanding Paul's analogy in Rom 5:16

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

So then just as Judgment to condemnation came to all by one, in contrast to that the Free Gift unto Justification is to all by one. Now was the Judgment to condemnation an offer ? So then neither is the free gift of Justification, if both are not an offer then the analogy looses its force of comparison !

The Free Gift through Christ's Obedience offsets the judgment and condemnation of Adam's disobedience and further more it [Christ's obedience] eliminates all the actual transgressions of the whole election of Grace ! That is it goes far beyond offsetting that one act of disobedience of Adam !

Now those who are teaching that this free gift of Justification is merely made available to all or that is an offer to all without exception are teaching antichrist doctrines ! Because they are teaching against the accomplishment of Christ's Work to the sole Justification of those He died for !