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So one can know when they are still yet carnal and lost! 'He that [[loveth me not keepeth not my sayings]]:'
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savedbygrace57
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You make God inconsistent !
For those of you who teach and believe that God is not willing that any should perish Per 2 Pet 3:9, and that He desires all men without exception to be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth Per 1 Tim 2:4; Then how do you explain that scripture that states, for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion that they may believe a Lie ! 2 Thes 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
And that they all might be damned vs 12
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
So why would God, who desires one to come to the knowledge of the Truth, then why now does He send them a strong delusion that they may believe a Lie ? For which is it, does He want them to be saved and come to a Knowledge of the Truth or does He want them to believe a Lie and be damned ?? Can God make up His Mind ? How does one know that when you tell a person that God desires them to be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth, if that person is not one whom God has sent a strong delusion, that they may be damned ?
For those of you who teach and believe that God is not willing that any should perish Per 2 Pet 3:9, and that He desires all men without exception to be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth Per 1 Tim 2:4; Then how do you explain that scripture that states, for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion that they may believe a Lie ! 2 Thes 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
And that they all might be damned vs 12
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
So why would God, who desires one to come to the knowledge of the Truth, then why now does He send them a strong delusion that they may believe a Lie ? For which is it, does He want them to be saved and come to a Knowledge of the Truth or does He want them to believe a Lie and be damned ?? Can God make up His Mind ? How does one know that when you tell a person that God desires them to be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth, if that person is not one whom God has sent a strong delusion, that they may be damned ?
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savedbygrace57
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Tasted death for every man !
Heb 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
The false teachers of the man of sin religions have had a field day with their wilful ignorance and erversion of this text, Alleging that it teaches that Jesus Christ has by the Grace of God tasted death for all mankind without exception, and yet that is not what it says, but that He tasted death for[in behalf of] every or all . For the word man is not in the original, but granted we add the word man as did the translators, it still would read only that He tasted death in the behalf of every man, and not all mankind without exception, in the context it would be for every man He tasted death or died for. Simply put, He tasted death for everyone He died for or in the behalf of !
Now before I expose this vicious, Christ dishonoring perversion of scripture, let it be known that those who espouse this ungodly view, are saying therefore that Christ's tasting of Death in the behalf of those He died for, that His Death for them in and of itself did not save them, and for this reason such a view must be viewd as antichrist, meaning against Christ, its against His Saving Death, in and of itself. So when He said it is finished upon His death, that in and of itself did not save anyone, their salvation was not finished, their sins were not forever put away and forgiven, no not yet according to them , for they must still do something, instead of having something revealed to them as already done !
Now lets look at other ways how this perversion of scripture is error !
By the simple fact that the words every man are to mean every man of mankind without exception. Lets look at Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Now would every man here mean every single man of mankind without exception presseth into the Kingdom of God ? I think not !
Heb 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
The false teachers of the man of sin religions have had a field day with their wilful ignorance and erversion of this text, Alleging that it teaches that Jesus Christ has by the Grace of God tasted death for all mankind without exception, and yet that is not what it says, but that He tasted death for[in behalf of] every or all . For the word man is not in the original, but granted we add the word man as did the translators, it still would read only that He tasted death in the behalf of every man, and not all mankind without exception, in the context it would be for every man He tasted death or died for. Simply put, He tasted death for everyone He died for or in the behalf of !
Now before I expose this vicious, Christ dishonoring perversion of scripture, let it be known that those who espouse this ungodly view, are saying therefore that Christ's tasting of Death in the behalf of those He died for, that His Death for them in and of itself did not save them, and for this reason such a view must be viewd as antichrist, meaning against Christ, its against His Saving Death, in and of itself. So when He said it is finished upon His death, that in and of itself did not save anyone, their salvation was not finished, their sins were not forever put away and forgiven, no not yet according to them , for they must still do something, instead of having something revealed to them as already done !
Now lets look at other ways how this perversion of scripture is error !
By the simple fact that the words every man are to mean every man of mankind without exception. Lets look at Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Now would every man here mean every single man of mankind without exception presseth into the Kingdom of God ? I think not !
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savedbygrace57
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That word will in 1 Tim 2:4 is the greek word
thelō and means:
to will, have in mind, intend
a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose
So what you are teaching is that God, has determined something, has resolved ,purposed it to be done, and yet it does not get done ! That is Blasphemy to the Highest extent !
Even the True God, what He desires or wants, that He does Job 23:13
13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
That word desireth, it is the hebrew word
'avah and means:
desire, incline, covet, wait longingly, wish, sigh, want, be greedy, prefer
That He doeth or produces or brings it about, He effects it.
Sorry pal, you do not know the same God Job and I know.
Yours appears to be a failure, whoses desire is frustrated by his creatures !
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savedbygrace57
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Tasted death for every man ! Cont
Secondly,it is recorded in the same letter to the same people that Christ did bare the sin of many Heb 9:28
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Now the writer is speaking is speaking of the same exact death as in Heb 2:9, whereas here he is stating that Christ tasted or bare the sins of many or The Many ! Not all mankind without exception. This verse corresponds with the Prophet Isa 53:12
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
The Many was limited then as it is now in Heb 9:28, and so the all or every man of Heb 2:9mis limited!
Secondly,it is recorded in the same letter to the same people that Christ did bare the sin of many Heb 9:28
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Now the writer is speaking is speaking of the same exact death as in Heb 2:9, whereas here he is stating that Christ tasted or bare the sins of many or The Many ! Not all mankind without exception. This verse corresponds with the Prophet Isa 53:12
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
The Many was limited then as it is now in Heb 9:28, and so the all or every man of Heb 2:9mis limited!
Oops interpretation of God's word according to savedbygrace again. The verse says that He desires all will be saved now unless God is a liar (and He's not) it is clear that God is allowing freewill acceptance of His salvation otherwise all would be saved because as you rightly pointed out when God determines something it happens.
John O
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savedbygrace57
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That word will in 1 Tim 2:4 is the greek word
thelō and means:
to will, have in mind, intend
a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose
So what you are teaching is that God, has determined something, has resolved ,purposed it to be done, and yet it does not get done ! That is Blasphemy to the Highest extent !
Even the True God, what He desires or wants, that He does Job 23:13
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savedbygrace57
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Thirdly- If Heb 2:9 meant that Christ tasted or experienced death for or in behalf of every man without exception, then the consequences would be, that once and for all, all without exception have been sanctified by that Offering ! Heb 10:10
By the which will we [Whom He tasted Death for Heb 2:9] are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
For His Tasting Death and His Offering of His Body are one and the same !
The word sanctified here is in the perfect tense in the greek, the Perfect tense is described as such :
This tense is like the aorist in that it also sees the action as taking place in a point in time. The difference is that the perfect also emphasizes continuing results. It denotes completed action in the past with finished results in the present.
Everyone Christ died for In Purpose sets them apart for the service of God ! Yes, even though they are born as sinners as other men and women, yet they have in distinction from other men, already in God's Purpose been set apart for Good works that He hath before ordained that they should walk therein Eph 2:10.
Now, we know that scripture never teaches that all men without exception have been set apart for God's Holy Purpose. In fact, the scriptures speaks of them who set themselves apart , having not the Spirit Jude 1:19
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Those who teach that Heb 2:9 means that Christ died for everyone in the world without exception, are of those who have seperated themselves and have not the Spirit, because if they did have the Spirit, they would not teach error of that nature !
By the which will we [Whom He tasted Death for Heb 2:9] are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
For His Tasting Death and His Offering of His Body are one and the same !
The word sanctified here is in the perfect tense in the greek, the Perfect tense is described as such :
This tense is like the aorist in that it also sees the action as taking place in a point in time. The difference is that the perfect also emphasizes continuing results. It denotes completed action in the past with finished results in the present.
Everyone Christ died for In Purpose sets them apart for the service of God ! Yes, even though they are born as sinners as other men and women, yet they have in distinction from other men, already in God's Purpose been set apart for Good works that He hath before ordained that they should walk therein Eph 2:10.
Now, we know that scripture never teaches that all men without exception have been set apart for God's Holy Purpose. In fact, the scriptures speaks of them who set themselves apart , having not the Spirit Jude 1:19
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Those who teach that Heb 2:9 means that Christ died for everyone in the world without exception, are of those who have seperated themselves and have not the Spirit, because if they did have the Spirit, they would not teach error of that nature !
Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !
Oh how big a statement this is. I was not aware that you had sole interpretation of the scriptures but I might be wrong. Freewill does not mean that we can save ourselves because salvation comes through faith and that salvation faith is not of ourselves but given as a free gift by God.
The problem I see is that too many people are stuck at this gate of salvation (great as the free gift God has given us is) but do not move on to maturity.
According to some the most important thing is "the how" we are saved but I think they miss the more important point that salvation is ours freely available from God. So the important question should be what next?, is this where we are to stay or is there more?
John O
Oh how big a statement this is. I was not aware that you had sole interpretation of the scriptures but I might be wrong. Freewill does not mean that we can save ourselves because salvation comes through faith and that salvation faith is not of ourselves but given as a free gift by God.
The problem I see is that too many people are stuck at this gate of salvation (great as the free gift God has given us is) but do not move on to maturity.
According to some the most important thing is "the how" we are saved but I think they miss the more important point that salvation is ours freely available from God. So the important question should be what next?, is this where we are to stay or is there more?
John O
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Elijah674
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Lovingly I ask you to apply 'your' question to yourself, not another. What will it take to change your mind from teaching the same very old things that have been taught for years with no change, and knowing for sure that this doctrine has others that are flawed. Making the 'whole' flawed. Such as sun sacredness & James 2:10's having them all broken.
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savedbygrace57
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Tasted death for every man ! Cont
Fourthly,If Christ tasted death for everyman without exception, then quite frankly, every man without exception shall be saved by His Life, for this is true because scripture says those whom Christ died in behalf of, were, even while being enemies, reconciled to God, and how ? By the Death [tasting Death for them] of His Son Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
The promise of shall be saved by His Life, is for them who have been reconciled by His Death. Now if we know all men without exception are not going to be saved by His Life, its a perversion of scripture to force Heb 2:9 to be all men without exception in mankind !
Fourthly,If Christ tasted death for everyman without exception, then quite frankly, every man without exception shall be saved by His Life, for this is true because scripture says those whom Christ died in behalf of, were, even while being enemies, reconciled to God, and how ? By the Death [tasting Death for them] of His Son Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
The promise of shall be saved by His Life, is for them who have been reconciled by His Death. Now if we know all men without exception are not going to be saved by His Life, its a perversion of scripture to force Heb 2:9 to be all men without exception in mankind !
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savedbygrace57
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Tasted death for every man cont
Fifthly, If He tasted death for every man without exception, then by that, He became the Captain of their Salvation in bringing them to Glory, because of His Suffering or Tasting of Death ! Heb 2:9-10
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings
Now His Sufferings and Tasting of Death are the same things, and by it, He becomes the Captain of their Salvation, which Brings them to Glory !
The word bringing in vs 10 is the greek word agō and it means:
to lead, take with one
a) to lead by laying hold of, and this way to bring to the point of destination: of an animal
b) to lead by accompanying to (into) a place
c) to lead with one's self, attach to one's self as an attendant
d) to conduct, bring
e) to lead away, to a court of justice, magistrate, etc.
2) to lead,
a) to lead, guide, direct
b) to lead through, conduct to: to something
c) to move, impel: of forces and influences on the mind
Its a strong word , and its used here also 1 Thess 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
It denotes His determination Jn 10:16
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Its the same also as His Gathering them Jn 11:50-52
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
The word gather together is the same Greek word ago, just has the prefix sun which means with !
And how does He do this ? Vs 51 That He should die, or Taste Death ! And By that, He brings or gathers together all those He tasted death for, The Many Sons Heb 2:10
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
They were Sons because they were Chosen in Him, and He Represented in His Life and Death God's Son's Chosen in Him the Son !
Those who carelessly and flippantly teach Heb 2:9 as meaning all men without exception, have no excuse i the Day of Judgment fir their willful twisting of scripture to glorify the freewill of man !
Fifthly, If He tasted death for every man without exception, then by that, He became the Captain of their Salvation in bringing them to Glory, because of His Suffering or Tasting of Death ! Heb 2:9-10
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings
Now His Sufferings and Tasting of Death are the same things, and by it, He becomes the Captain of their Salvation, which Brings them to Glory !
The word bringing in vs 10 is the greek word agō and it means:
to lead, take with one
a) to lead by laying hold of, and this way to bring to the point of destination: of an animal
b) to lead by accompanying to (into) a place
c) to lead with one's self, attach to one's self as an attendant
d) to conduct, bring
e) to lead away, to a court of justice, magistrate, etc.
2) to lead,
a) to lead, guide, direct
b) to lead through, conduct to: to something
c) to move, impel: of forces and influences on the mind
Its a strong word , and its used here also 1 Thess 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
It denotes His determination Jn 10:16
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Its the same also as His Gathering them Jn 11:50-52
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
The word gather together is the same Greek word ago, just has the prefix sun which means with !
And how does He do this ? Vs 51 That He should die, or Taste Death ! And By that, He brings or gathers together all those He tasted death for, The Many Sons Heb 2:10
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
They were Sons because they were Chosen in Him, and He Represented in His Life and Death God's Son's Chosen in Him the Son !
Those who carelessly and flippantly teach Heb 2:9 as meaning all men without exception, have no excuse i the Day of Judgment fir their willful twisting of scripture to glorify the freewill of man !
2bfoundinhim
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I agree as far as the Free will doctrine, it is a snare or little fox.
But as far as Him tasting death for All men, this I disagree.
I believe He did taste Death for All mankind, because there is ONLY ONE Death that passed upon All men by sin, and that is The Nature itself, The Carnal mind, which is Death. Rom. 8:6 Rom. 5-
Paul is Revealing something here in 1Th. 4, that goes quite unnoticed to most.
1Th 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
1Th 4:12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Paul is talking about those that are "without" or outside of the doors, then refers to them as being "Asleep" this word asleep, means to slumber, and is different from dead in vs. 16.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
I think we would do well to take notice of the way Paul uses the Phrases, "Jesus Christ" and "Christ Jesus" throughout all of his Epistles.
One denotes His days in the Flesh, and His sufferings, the other speaks of His Resurrection and Glory in the Spirit.
So when he uses the term "sleep in Jesus"
And "Dead in Christ", there must be a difference.
Those that have fallen asleep depicts those of which, He tasted of their Death, but they have not participated in His, those without.
But those that are Dead in Christ, are the ones who have been a participant of His Death, His Sufferings, His Resurrection.
So indeed, He is The Saviour of The World, Especially for those who believe.
Blessings
But as far as Him tasting death for All men, this I disagree.
I believe He did taste Death for All mankind, because there is ONLY ONE Death that passed upon All men by sin, and that is The Nature itself, The Carnal mind, which is Death. Rom. 8:6 Rom. 5-
Paul is Revealing something here in 1Th. 4, that goes quite unnoticed to most.
1Th 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
1Th 4:12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Paul is talking about those that are "without" or outside of the doors, then refers to them as being "Asleep" this word asleep, means to slumber, and is different from dead in vs. 16.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
I think we would do well to take notice of the way Paul uses the Phrases, "Jesus Christ" and "Christ Jesus" throughout all of his Epistles.
One denotes His days in the Flesh, and His sufferings, the other speaks of His Resurrection and Glory in the Spirit.
So when he uses the term "sleep in Jesus"
And "Dead in Christ", there must be a difference.
Those that have fallen asleep depicts those of which, He tasted of their Death, but they have not participated in His, those without.
But those that are Dead in Christ, are the ones who have been a participant of His Death, His Sufferings, His Resurrection.
So indeed, He is The Saviour of The World, Especially for those who believe.
Blessings
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Then you disagree with the Truth, that is what I am proving in these posts !
Then you disagree with the Truth, that is what I am proving in these posts !
Oops selective use of scripture to prove your point when the surrounding verses of Jude 1:19 show that Jude was speaking of a particular group of people.
Jud 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, leading lives according to their lusts. And their mouth speaks proud things, admiring faces for the sake of gain.
Jud 1:17 But you, beloved, remember the words spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Jud 1:18 because they told you that at the last time there will be mockers according to their lusts, leading ungodly lives.
Jud 1:19 These are those setting themselves apart, animal-like ones, not having the Spirit.
Jude is clearly speaking of those who have rejected Christ and continue to live for themselves.
Heb 2:9 States that He died for ALL Jesus died for us while we were yet sinners.
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Tasted death for every man ! Cont
Fourthly,If Christ tasted death for everyman without exception, then quite frankly, every man without exception shall be saved by His Life, for this is true because scripture says those whom Christ died in behalf of, were, even while being enemies, reconciled to God, and how ? By the Death [tasting Death for them] of His Son Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
The promise of shall be saved by His Life, is for them who have been reconciled by His Death. Now if we know all men without exception are not going to be saved by His Life, its a perversion of scripture to force Heb 2:9 to be all men without exception in mankind !
Fourthly,If Christ tasted death for everyman without exception, then quite frankly, every man without exception shall be saved by His Life, for this is true because scripture says those whom Christ died in behalf of, were, even while being enemies, reconciled to God, and how ? By the Death [tasting Death for them] of His Son Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
The promise of shall be saved by His Life, is for them who have been reconciled by His Death. Now if we know all men without exception are not going to be saved by His Life, its a perversion of scripture to force Heb 2:9 to be all men without exception in mankind !
2bfoundinhim
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Heb 2:7 Thou makest him some bit inferior to messengers, With glory and honor Thou wreathest him, And dost place him over the works of Thy hands."
Heb 2:8 All dost Thou subject underneath his feet.For in the subjection of all to him, He leaves nothing unsubject to him. Yet now we are not as yet seeing all subject to him."
Heb 2:9 Yet we are observing Jesus, Who has been made some bit inferior to messengers (because of the suffering of death, wreathed with glory and honor), so that in the grace of God, He should be tasting death for the sake of everyone."
"Subject"
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: - be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.
Paul says here that even though we are not "seeing" All subjected to Him, does not mean that it is not done.
Only through Faith, can we see this.
We must come to understand what He accomplished through His death, burial and Resurrection, For All. If we look at the world we won't see it, but if we look at Him we should.
1Co 15:27 For He subjected all things `under His feet. But when He saith, all things are subjected to Him, it is manifest that it is with the exception of Him, Which did subject all things under Him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subjected to Him, then shall the Son Himself also be subjected to Him That subjected all things under Him , in order that God may be over all things in all places, everywhere supreme.
1Co 15:29 Else what shall they do which are being baptized for the dead [dead bodies], if dead people rise not at all? why are they baptized also? It is for the dead
Again, here we see All things shall be made to submit themselves to, and be in obedience to, Jesus Christ our Lord, To the Glory of The Father.
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
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Tasted death for every man cont
Fifthly, If He tasted death for every man without exception, then by that, He became the Captain of their Salvation in bringing them to Glory, because of His Suffering or Tasting of Death ! Heb 2:9-10
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings
Now His Sufferings and Tasting of Death are the same things, and by it, He becomes the Captain of their Salvation, which Brings them to Glory !
The word bringing in vs 10 is the greek word agō and it means:
to lead, take with one
a) to lead by laying hold of, and this way to bring to the point of destination: of an animal
b) to lead by accompanying to (into) a place
c) to lead with one's self, attach to one's self as an attendant
d) to conduct, bring
e) to lead away, to a court of justice, magistrate, etc.
2) to lead,
a) to lead, guide, direct
b) to lead through, conduct to: to something
c) to move, impel: of forces and influences on the mind
Its a strong word , and its used here also 1 Thess 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
It denotes His determination Jn 10:16
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Its the same also as His Gathering them Jn 11:50-52
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
The word gather together is the same Greek word ago, just has the prefix sun which means with !
And how does He do this ? Vs 51 That He should die, or Taste Death ! And By that, He brings or gathers together all those He tasted death for, The Many Sons Heb 2:10
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
They were Sons because they were Chosen in Him, and He Represented in His Life and Death God's Son's Chosen in Him the Son !
Those who carelessly and flippantly teach Heb 2:9 as meaning all men without exception, have no excuse i the Day of Judgment fir their willful twisting of scripture to glorify the freewill of man !
Fifthly, If He tasted death for every man without exception, then by that, He became the Captain of their Salvation in bringing them to Glory, because of His Suffering or Tasting of Death ! Heb 2:9-10
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings
Now His Sufferings and Tasting of Death are the same things, and by it, He becomes the Captain of their Salvation, which Brings them to Glory !
The word bringing in vs 10 is the greek word agō and it means:
to lead, take with one
a) to lead by laying hold of, and this way to bring to the point of destination: of an animal
b) to lead by accompanying to (into) a place
c) to lead with one's self, attach to one's self as an attendant
d) to conduct, bring
e) to lead away, to a court of justice, magistrate, etc.
2) to lead,
a) to lead, guide, direct
b) to lead through, conduct to: to something
c) to move, impel: of forces and influences on the mind
Its a strong word , and its used here also 1 Thess 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
It denotes His determination Jn 10:16
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Its the same also as His Gathering them Jn 11:50-52
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
The word gather together is the same Greek word ago, just has the prefix sun which means with !
And how does He do this ? Vs 51 That He should die, or Taste Death ! And By that, He brings or gathers together all those He tasted death for, The Many Sons Heb 2:10
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
They were Sons because they were Chosen in Him, and He Represented in His Life and Death God's Son's Chosen in Him the Son !
Those who carelessly and flippantly teach Heb 2:9 as meaning all men without exception, have no excuse i the Day of Judgment fir their willful twisting of scripture to glorify the freewill of man !
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Do you understand my point in post 497 ? Please explain what I am saying whether you agree with it or not !
Do you understand my point in post 497 ? Please explain what I am saying whether you agree with it or not !