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GAP…theory…or…fact?

The Darkness is not another matter Gregg. It only is if we want to hold to the fact that it is not BAD.
Give us ONE example where darkness is good, and God uses it in anything He creates,please. There is NOTHING in scripture that is to make us assume that this darkness is anything other than bad.

The darkness in Gen 1:2 is the absence of light.

Of everything God made during the for the whole six days of Creation, He said this, "And God saw everything that He had made and behold, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning the sixth day" (Gen 1:31).

Exodus 10:21~~Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand toward the sky, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even a darkness which may be felt.".......same Hebrew word as in Genesis 1:2.

Not the same type of darkness as in Gen 1:2. If it is the same . . . then prove it! Otherwise it is conjecture and can not be used to support your beloved Gap Theory.

Revelation 16:10-11 translation: NASB NIV MSG
16:10 ¶ Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom became darkened; and they gnawed their tongues because of pain,

Again, not the same type of darkness as in Gen 1:2. If it is the same, then prove it! Or else, you yourself disqualify using it to support Gap Theory conjecture.

Darkness always portrays judgement and loss in the scriptures.

There was no judgement before or during the six days of creation. The darkness in Gen 1:2 does not insinuate judgement, loss, or evil. However, it likely indicates an absence of light; which God addresses in Gen 1:3.

If judgement, loss, destruction, evil, angels trashing the earth, etc. happened before Gen 1:2 . . . then prove it, else it also is conjecture supporting a theory.
 
The darkness in Gen 1:2 is the absence of light.

Of everything God made during the for the whole six days of Creation, He said this, "And God saw everything that He had made and behold, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning the sixth day" (Gen 1:31).



Not the same type of darkness as in Gen 1:2. If it is the same . . . then prove it! Otherwise it is conjecture and can not be used to support your beloved Gap Theory.



Again, not the same type of darkness as in Gen 1:2. If it is the same, then prove it! Or else, you yourself disqualify using it to support Gap Theory conjecture.



There was no judgement before or during the six days of creation. The darkness in Gen 1:2 does not insinuate judgement, loss, or evil. However, it likely indicates an absence of light; which God addresses in Gen 1:3.

If judgement, loss, destruction, evil, angels trashing the earth, etc. happened before Gen 1:2 . . . then prove it, else it also is conjecture supporting a theory.
Sorry Gregg, God is light and there is no darkness In Him. So God wasn't around until Gen 1:3? Since God Is light, He didn't show up till Gen 1:3?
 
So you believe God directly created darkness and evil? And all was really "not Good" in the six days?

I never said 'all was really "not good" in six days.' Rather the opposite - everything was "very good" (Gen 1:31).

Please do not attribute your words to my thoughts; or you can simply have a conversation with yourself.


Yes He created darkness and Evil. But it was indirectly through Satan. He created the "evil one", But God created him perfect from his beginning.
Scripture disagrees with you. All things were created through the Son [not even some things through Satan].

"For all things were created in Him, the things in the heavens, and the things on the earth, the visible and the invisible; whether thrones, or lordships, or rulers, or authorities, all things have been created through Him and for Him" (Col 1:16).


Ezekiel 28:15~~"You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.
The Lord was speaking to the ruler of Tyre. Its a myth that He was talking to or about Satan . . . more conjecture and wishful thinking. A Gap Theory can lead to this type of corrupting the Scripture; as you do with Isa 45:18.

"Son of man, say to the ruler of Tyre, 'So says the Lord Jehovah, Because your heart is lifted up, and you have said, I am a god, I sit in the seat of gods, in the heart of the seas; yet you are a man, and not God, though you give your heart as the heart of gods.' " (Eze 28:2).


He indirectly had to create darkness and He indirectly created the "evil one"....freewill of His creatures caused this.
Please use Scripture to validate your statement that God 'indirectly had to create darkness'.

To have this darkness in Gen 1:2 something had to happen for God who,has no darkness or evil in Him, to create darkness. And it was Satans fall.
Absence of light in Gen 1:2, nothing more complicated.
 
I never said 'all was really "not good" in six days.' Rather the opposite - everything was "very good" (Gen 1:31).

Please do not attribute your words to my thoughts; or you can simply have a conversation with yourself.



Scripture disagrees with you. All things were created through the Son [not even some things through Satan].

"For all things were created in Him, the things in the heavens, and the things on the earth, the visible and the invisible; whether thrones, or lordships, or rulers, or authorities, all things have been created through Him and for Him" (Col 1:16).



The Lord was speaking to the ruler of Tyre. Its a myth that He was talking to or about Satan . . . more conjecture and wishful thinking. A Gap Theory can lead to this type of corrupting the Scripture; as you do with Isa 45:18.

"Son of man, say to the ruler of Tyre, 'So says the Lord Jehovah, Because your heart is lifted up, and you have said, I am a god, I sit in the seat of gods, in the heart of the seas; yet you are a man, and not God, though you give your heart as the heart of gods.' " (Eze 28:2).



Please use Scripture to validate your statement that God 'indirectly had to create darkness'.


Absence of light in Gen 1:2, nothing more complicated.
Same thing. Since God is light and there is no darkness in Him, He was absent in Gen 1:2?
 
Amen! Absolutely!



Strange questions, neighbor.

Keep making these insinuations that mis-characterize me, and I will gladly leave this conversation.
Gregg, come on. You said that the darkness was the absence of Light. We know that God IS light. And He lives in unapproachable light. Where was He then when there was an absence of light in Gen 1:2?
 
Amen! Absolutely!



Strange questions, neighbor.

Keep making these insinuations that mis-characterize me, and I will gladly leave this conversation.
And Gregg. I hope I do not come across to you as divisive as you come across to me!. I do not think that this is a divisive issue among believers. It just reveals to us why we are Here.This is an issue that Satan tries to blind us From. We get to KNOW why and where Satan fell. Why were we created inferior to angles? and Why do we end up superior to angels? And Satan does not want believers to know the answers to these Questions! Because if we figure it out......It glorifies Christ and Satan does not want that to happen.
 
And Gregg. I hope I do not come across to you as divisive as you come across to me!. I do not think that this is a divisive issue among believers. It just reveals to us why we are Here.This is an issue that Satan tries to blind us From. We get to KNOW why and where Satan fell. Why were we created inferior to angles? and Why do we end up superior to angels? And Satan does not want believers to know the answers to these Questions! Because if we figure it out......It glorifies Christ and Satan does not want that to happen.

I disagree with your reason 'why we are Here.' We are here for Christ, created for Him and for His Father . . . not so that God can prove something to the angels.

I think most of us get out of character from time to time. My apologies for coming across as divisive, and for saying a few things in less than a kind manner.

Grace and peace!
 
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen 1:1,2 KJV

The concept that there is a time gap between v.1 and 2 is called the GAP theory. And there are a number of websites that disagree with that. However, the ones I've checked haven't acknowledged all that is involved in the concept. For example, AIG seems to treat anyone who believes that the earth is much older than Adam as an evolutionist up front. There is one link on the "gap theory" written by Henry Morris in 1987 on the AIG site. However, his critique seems to miss the whole argument, pluse he makes some simple mistakes in a few of his statements.

My position is that the earth is quite a lot older than Adam, which I believe can be discerned from Scripture, which I shall share. And, I accept the account of Genesis 1 as literal. Now, from AIG's perspective, how can that be?? My objective is to take 1 point at a time, allowing for any questions, or discussion, or debate.

First Point: please note the underlined words in v.2 above. The discussion will consider what these words mean, and how they are used in the rest of Scripture. Plus, I will demonstrate from the NT several verses that provide indication that something occurred between v.1 and 2 in Genesis 1.

The first word underlined is "was". It is the Hebrew word "hayah"; meaning, to exist, i.e., to be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).

The word is spelled a number of different ways in the Hebrew lexicon, and the word is translated a number of different ways in the OT. The word occurs some 3560 times. Here are the different ways it's found:
become, became, came to pass, came, was, were, shall be, will be, were even. Morris claimed in his article on the AIG site that the Hebrew word can only be "become" when context requires it. Since there is only 1 verse "in context" with v.2, that seems hardly a fair claim. We need to see what the whole counsel of God says regarding creation and Genesis 1. That would be proper context, not just what precedes v.2 in Genesis 1. And I will provide verses from both the OT and NT that do require that "hayah" in Gen 1:2 be rendered "became". :) Also, keep in mind that Moses, the author of Genesis, didn't write "was". He used the Hebrew word, which can be rendered in several different ways. We will determine his meaning from comparing the word with other verses, plus examining some NT verses.

The exact spelling form of "hayah" as found in v.2 occurs 4 more times in the OT, ALL of which are translated "become". These are: Gen 47:26, Ex 9:24, 1 Sam 10:12 and Joshua 14:14. In fact, the word is translated as "become" or "became" about 56 times in the OT, but I have focused only on the 5 verses where the spelling in the lexicon is exactly the same as Gen 1:2, which is: "haayataah", with the "a" following the "y" as a superscript.

My point here is that it is legitimate to understand Gen 1:2 as saying "and the earth became…" For reasons to follow. My point here is to demonstrate that the earth became something different than the original creation in v.1.

Questions, comments, etc?


This is the first post Ive read,without the responses....Just want to say that I agree with you 100%!!!!

With this knowlegde scripture really opens,ie eyes to see....

Keep spreading it,even though many won't get it..........
 
What one really needs to understand first and foremost,is the fact that we were all created at the same time...We were never meant to be made flesh,and had satan not rebelled we would'nt have been...Us being made flesh is God's love for us to return back to Him,and not follow satan as so many did,1/3 before the age of flesh.......

God could have,at that time destroyed satan,and all that followed him,however He chose not to,and instead gave us a choice......

When God destroyed the earth,ie the first time,not Noah's flood,we were not in flesh,however the animals were,for those who can't see,they are those who also think the world is only 6000 years old....
 
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