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Gap Theory

For your consideration here is an article from Answers in Genesis on the gap theory and the big bang theory I found very informative. I've only had time to read through half of it, but did book mark it to read the rest later as it is very long, but a good read so far.

I've read it in the past, but, I appreciate you for sharing it.
 
What was the shabat and why is not one day or age ?

Also the Jewish days are not marked by the way we do but sunset is the next day .that us very relavent to genesis.
 
What are you using as a support for all of this? It's definitely not Biblical.
The dates listed there are garnered from all over the world, whereas the Bible, apart from the creation account, is all about Eretz Israel, a modern nation, and its neighbours.

When people visit Israel, they are going to “The Land of Israel” which does not cover the whole globe. Locusts are local to a specific geographical region and in Exodus 10:5 we read that a plague of Locusts “covered the face of the whole earth.” Clearly, the locusts did not cover the whole globe, they only covered the land of Israel and then probably not all of it.

In Numbers 22:5,11, we read that after the Israelites came out of Egypt and settled in Canaan they “Covered the face of the earth.” Did the Egyptians and other nations evaporate into thin air? Of course not, this was simply their way of saying they occupied the land in which they were dwelling.

When Cain went to the Land of Nod, the Bible says “Behold thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth.” (Gen 4:14) The earth for Cain was where he lived and not the whole world.

When the devil tempted Jesus, he took him up into an exceeding high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. The kingdoms of the world were what they could see, i.e. local and not the whole world. (Matthew 4:8)

The same idiom is used to describe the Israelite conquest of Canaan, Deut 2:25 This day I will put the dread and fear of you on the peoples who are UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, who shall hear the report of you and shall tremble and be in anguish because of you.

Incas and Inuit weren’t trembling in anguish, it was the people in that particular region i.e. the Canaanites Moabites and Edomites.

Early people were hunter-gatherers and lived in caves but Adam and Eve, the first people in Jewish history, were settled in the land and there were already other people for example in the land of Nod. The Israelites are late arrivals on the world stage.

In Genesis chapter 4 we learn Cain thought he would be put to death because he killed his brother. This means they already had an established legal system that included the death penalty for murder. Verse 15 says “lest any finding him should kill him” meaning there were other people.

Verse 17 tells us Cain had a wife who was not from his homeland, so she wasn’t his mother or sister, which is a common misconception. In the land of Nod, they were building walled cities. Walled cities were for defence against other people and nations. The building of walled cities can be dated fairly precisely; it wasn’t that long ago.

Verse 20 tells us Jabal was the father of tent dwellers. Paul was a tent maker and tents came long after cave dwellers. Early men were hunter-gatherers, and farming came later. Cain was a farmer, and Able was a shepherd. This is a late period in the history of humankind.

Verse 20 tells us they were making musical instruments like the harp and organ, but early humans did not have musical instruments.

Verse 22 tells us they were working in brass and iron. This is the Bronze Age, not too far removed from our own time. Early man could not make fire. Flint tools were much earlier. There were Cavemen and several ice ages through which people had previously lived. Now they were ploughing the soil, farming the land and reaping in the harvest.

Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. Noah did not go to the seven continents to collect the animals, they were local to him and it would be wrong of us to think that the Bible is a record of the entire world going back to the beginning of time. The heavens and earth are much older than the biblical account of the comparatively young Jewish nation, and this is where people make their mistakes.
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Not only do I not accept the "Big Bang Theory", I wholeheartedly reject it in all it's forms. It's a dangerous thing to fall into "consensus theology."
I see that for_his_glory gave you a like, so this is for her too.

Unless something spectacular happens, the BB is IT.
Scientists accept it and it confirms exactly to scripture.

Why would you both not accept something that is proven to be true?
 
The dates listed there are garnered from all over the world, whereas the Bible, apart from the creation account, is all about Eretz Israel, a modern nation, and its neighbours.

When people visit Israel, they are going to “The Land of Israel” which does not cover the whole globe. Locusts are local to a specific geographical region and in Exodus 10:5 we read that a plague of Locusts “covered the face of the whole earth.” Clearly, the locusts did not cover the whole globe, they only covered the land of Israel and then probably not all of it.

In Numbers 22:5,11, we read that after the Israelites came out of Egypt and settled in Canaan they “Covered the face of the earth.” Did the Egyptians and other nations evaporate into thin air? Of course not, this was simply their way of saying they occupied the land in which they were dwelling.

When Cain went to the Land of Nod, the Bible says “Behold thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth.” (Gen 4:14) The earth for Cain was where he lived and not the whole world.

When the devil tempted Jesus, he took him up into an exceeding high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. The kingdoms of the world were what they could see, i.e. local and not the whole world. (Matthew 4:8)

The same idiom is used to describe the Israelite conquest of Canaan, Deut 2:25 This day I will put the dread and fear of you on the peoples who are UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, who shall hear the report of you and shall tremble and be in anguish because of you.

Incas and Inuit weren’t trembling in anguish, it was the people in that particular region i.e. the Canaanites Moabites and Edomites.

Early people were hunter-gatherers and lived in caves but Adam and Eve, the first people in Jewish history, were settled in the land and there were already other people for example in the land of Nod. The Israelites are late arrivals on the world stage.

In Genesis chapter 4 we learn Cain thought he would be put to death because he killed his brother. This means they already had an established legal system that included the death penalty for murder. Verse 15 says “lest any finding him should kill him” meaning there were other people.

Verse 17 tells us Cain had a wife who was not from his homeland, so she wasn’t his mother or sister, which is a common misconception. In the land of Nod, they were building walled cities. Walled cities were for defence against other people and nations. The building of walled cities can be dated fairly precisely; it wasn’t that long ago.

Verse 20 tells us Jabal was the father of tent dwellers. Paul was a tent maker and tents came long after cave dwellers. Early men were hunter-gatherers, and farming came later. Cain was a farmer, and Able was a shepherd. This is a late period in the history of humankind.

Verse 20 tells us they were making musical instruments like the harp and organ, but early humans did not have musical instruments.

Verse 22 tells us they were working in brass and iron. This is the Bronze Age, not too far removed from our own time. Early man could not make fire. Flint tools were much earlier. There were Cavemen and several ice ages through which people had previously lived. Now they were ploughing the soil, farming the land and reaping in the harvest.

Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. Noah did not go to the seven continents to collect the animals, they were local to him and it would be wrong of us to think that the Bible is a record of the entire world going back to the beginning of time. The heavens and earth are much older than the biblical account of the comparatively young Jewish nation, and this is where people make their mistakes.
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This is all true and thus why the gap theory was thought of.
It's a way of trying to reconcile the above with the Genesis account.

As I've said before, the bible is not a book of science.
It's a book, from beginning to end, to allow God to let His relationship with His creatures be known.
It's about our relationship with God: How He revealed Himself, and what He wishes for us.

I mentioned the Cambrian explosion.
It seems as though species just appeared out of nowhere.
This gave Darwin problems too. He thought this problem would be solved within the next
100 or 200 years - but it hasn't; it's still with us.
We don't know why these big jumps in the evolutionary scale.

Perhaps there were cave dwellers and God decided to make them more consciouse of their surroundings?

I like to not think too much about what is not written, while at the same time accepting scientific discoveries.
A discovery cannot just be ignored because it doesn't fit with our world paradigm.
 
This is all true and thus why the gap theory was thought of.
It's a way of trying to reconcile the above with the Genesis account.

As I've said before, the bible is not a book of science.
It's a book, from beginning to end, to allow God to let His relationship with His creatures be known.
It's about our relationship with God: How He revealed Himself, and what He wishes for us.

I mentioned the Cambrian explosion.
It seems as though species just appeared out of nowhere.
This gave Darwin problems too. He thought this problem would be solved within the next
100 or 200 years - but it hasn't; it's still with us.
We don't know why these big jumps in the evolutionary scale.

Perhaps there were cave dwellers and God decided to make them more consciouse of their surroundings?

I like to not think too much about what is not written, while at the same time accepting scientific discoveries.
A discovery cannot just be ignored because it doesn't fit with our world paradigm.
When someone tells us the earth is only ten thousand years old and then we remember what the Bible tells us about time and eternity, we find that the two do not sit well together.

From Everlasting to Everlasting
Psa 90:1 A Prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
Psa 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
Psa 90:3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Psa 90:5 Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up.
Psa 90:6 In the morning it flourisheth, and groweth up; in the evening it is cut down, and withereth.
Psa 90:7 For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled.
Psa 90:8 Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.
Psa 90:9 For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told.
Psa 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
Psa 90:11 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath.
Psa 90:12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
Psa 90:13 Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.
Psa 90:14 O satisfy us early with thy mercy; that we may rejoice and be glad all our days.
Psa 90:15 Make us glad according to the days wherein thou hast afflicted us, and the years wherein we have seen evil.
Psa 90:16 Let thy work appear unto thy servants, and thy glory unto their children.
Psa 90:17 And let the beauty of the LORD our God be upon us: and establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it.
 
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I see that for_his_glory gave you a like, so this is for her too.

Unless something spectacular happens, the BB is IT.
Scientists accept it and it confirms exactly to scripture.

Why would you both not accept something that is proven to be true?
Big Bang theory says that the universe began, scientist believe, with every speck of its energy jammed into a very tiny point. This extremely dense point exploded with unimaginable force creating matter and propelling it outward to make billion of galaxies of our vast universe calling it the big bang theory. This is far from the creation of God in the time frame that He created all things.
 
The dates listed there are garnered from all over the world, whereas the Bible, apart from the creation account, is all about Eretz Israel, a modern nation, and its neighbours.

When people visit Israel, they are going to “The Land of Israel” which does not cover the whole globe. Locusts are local to a specific geographical region and in Exodus 10:5 we read that a plague of Locusts “covered the face of the whole earth.” Clearly, the locusts did not cover the whole globe, they only covered the land of Israel and then probably not all of it.

In Numbers 22:5,11, we read that after the Israelites came out of Egypt and settled in Canaan they “Covered the face of the earth.” Did the Egyptians and other nations evaporate into thin air? Of course not, this was simply their way of saying they occupied the land in which they were dwelling.

When Cain went to the Land of Nod, the Bible says “Behold thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth.” (Gen 4:14) The earth for Cain was where he lived and not the whole world.

When the devil tempted Jesus, he took him up into an exceeding high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. The kingdoms of the world were what they could see, i.e. local and not the whole world. (Matthew 4:8)

The same idiom is used to describe the Israelite conquest of Canaan, Deut 2:25 This day I will put the dread and fear of you on the peoples who are UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, who shall hear the report of you and shall tremble and be in anguish because of you.

Incas and Inuit weren’t trembling in anguish, it was the people in that particular region i.e. the Canaanites Moabites and Edomites.

Early people were hunter-gatherers and lived in caves but Adam and Eve, the first people in Jewish history, were settled in the land and there were already other people for example in the land of Nod. The Israelites are late arrivals on the world stage.

In Genesis chapter 4 we learn Cain thought he would be put to death because he killed his brother. This means they already had an established legal system that included the death penalty for murder. Verse 15 says “lest any finding him should kill him” meaning there were other people.

Verse 17 tells us Cain had a wife who was not from his homeland, so she wasn’t his mother or sister, which is a common misconception. In the land of Nod, they were building walled cities. Walled cities were for defence against other people and nations. The building of walled cities can be dated fairly precisely; it wasn’t that long ago.

Verse 20 tells us Jabal was the father of tent dwellers. Paul was a tent maker and tents came long after cave dwellers. Early men were hunter-gatherers, and farming came later. Cain was a farmer, and Able was a shepherd. This is a late period in the history of humankind.

Verse 20 tells us they were making musical instruments like the harp and organ, but early humans did not have musical instruments.

Verse 22 tells us they were working in brass and iron. This is the Bronze Age, not too far removed from our own time. Early man could not make fire. Flint tools were much earlier. There were Cavemen and several ice ages through which people had previously lived. Now they were ploughing the soil, farming the land and reaping in the harvest.

Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. Noah did not go to the seven continents to collect the animals, they were local to him and it would be wrong of us to think that the Bible is a record of the entire world going back to the beginning of time. The heavens and earth are much older than the biblical account of the comparatively young Jewish nation, and this is where people make their mistakes.
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What does any of this have to do with the gap theory as Israel did not exist at the time for Jacob did not exist yet. The thread is about the gap theory. Not following your line of reasoning here.
 
What does any of this have to do with the gap theory as Israel did not exist at the time for Jacob did not exist yet. The thread is about the gap theory. Not following your line of reasoning here.
I explained about the gap in my first post on the subject, but it is not there now!

JackrabbitSlim commented on it.​


Gone.
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For everyone's information, the gap is between the first two chapters of the Bible that describes the act of creation.

After that, there is a gap millions of years long before the Bible describes the fight to the death between Cain and Able.

By that time there were other people and other nations, and such were their numbers the citizens in the Land of Nod had to build a walled city for their own defence.
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I see that for_his_glory gave you a like, so this is for her too.

Unless something spectacular happens, the BB is IT.
Scientists accept it and it confirms exactly to scripture.

Why would you both not accept something that is proven to be true?
Proven true by whom? I reject the BBT for several reasons, the chief among them is, not only is it not supported by Scripture, Scripture fully rejects this idea of the creation account. It teaches- contrary to God's word-that, man evolved, instead of being created by a divine being. The BBT is nothing more than an assumption concocted by atheistic scientists who reject the divinity of creation, yet, wanting to "understand" the origins of the universe and everything in it. They begin with the presupposition of no divine creator, then set out to "prove" this hypothesis correct.
 
For everyone's information, the gap is between the first two chapters of the Bible that describes the act of creation.

After that, there is a gap millions of years long before the Bible describes the fight to the death between Cain and Able.

By that time there were other people and other nations, and such were their numbers the citizens in the Land of Nod had to build a walled city for their own defence.
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"The Gap" is between the first part of Gen. 1 and the last part of Gen. 1. "In the beginning GOD created the heavens" Gap "and the earth." I, along with Scripture, rejects the rest of your claim.
 
"The Gap" is between the first part of Gen. 1 and the last part of Gen. 1. "In the beginning GOD created the heavens" Gap "and the earth." I, along with Scripture, rejects the rest of your claim.
GEN 2 is similar to Gen 1. They both describe creation.

After that the first people we read about are making fire, musical instruments, and working in metal. They are far more advanced than the hunter gatherers and troglodytes who lived millions of years earlier.
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I guess before Adam and eve ,there was death and we'll animals at the time of Noah feared man.

Funny about that .man was allowed to eat meat after the flood .
 
The problem is that the question is when did man become man because we'll the early natives of Florida were Hunter gatherers and have no written languages used oral history .

Are those then less human?

These made tools but didn't have iron .
 
You see, those years where people were migrating around the world aren't recorded in the Bible. They are what you might call the lost years. If people want to know the age of the earth, then they need go to extra Biblical sources. It is sad, but there we are.
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What does any of this have to do with the gap theory as Israel did not exist at the time for Jacob did not exist yet. The thread is about the gap theory. Not following your line of reasoning here.
That is the problem. Israel did not exist but other nations did, Abram came from Ur of the Chaldees, but their figures do not enter the calculations, hence the missing years and that is just one example.
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