Dorothy Mae
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The Bible doesn’t give exhaustive truth, but what it does give is true.
It’s too bad so many retain the creation account they learned in Sunday school, God spoke and POOF!!
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Gap Theory
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It’s too bad so many retain the creation account they learned in Sunday school, God spoke and POOF!!
I don't hold to Gap Theory as there simply is no reason to. I can't support this with Scripture because there is nothing, in my opinion, to support Gap Theory in the first place. It is entirely speculation.
GodsGrace
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Hi J,
I reread this and understand what you mean now.
IOW, the gap theory is trying to resolve the problem of everything being created at once and the idea that the earth took many years to be formed.
Of course if we want to accept the big bang theory, which is accepted by all now, we must believe that everything was created all at once.
This would include the earth.
So what we're really talking about here is the idea of fine tuning the earth for the benefit of mankind...
IOW, so that it can be made ready for man.
This is also very interesting since in the story of Genesis God DID prepare the earth for man and then He put man in it.
So, again, science does seem to agree with the biblical account.
I'd also add that everything God made was truly everything.
When the BB occurred, time was also created. Time did not exist before the explosion, which is why science cannot get beyond that first millisecond of creation - because time did not exist.
Just some thoughts.
GodsGrace
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What do you mean by ONLY GOD CAN MAKE HIMSELF KNOWN TO HIS CREATION?
(highlighted above by me).
GodsGrace
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I found the above to be very interesting.
First of all, God is the only being that can create.
We can say that man CREATED a beautiful painting,,,but really man only made it from things that already exist.
Only God can create.
Which means, as you've stated nihilo - out of nothing.
Gen 1:1 and 21
Then you gave verses as to what God made from something that was already there:
Gen 1:7, 25, 26, 31
Genesis 7 is the expanse that already existed and God separated it: the waters from below and above were separated.
Genesis 1:21, 25, 26 were LIVE beings; sea creatures, earth creatures and finally man in 26.
In Genesis 1:31 God looked at all He had made, ASAH, and said it was very good.
So I don't quite understand how that fits in...I think it just simply means that everything was good,
both the NIHILO and the ASAH.
So, yes, there could have been a long time between the calling of everything into existence and the preparing of the earth, and the CREATING of the sea and earth animals and man.
GodsGrace
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I don't know what a period of a day might mean.
I don't believe it means a literal day.
But I do know that Genesis states many things that science has actually confirmed.
GodsGrace
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Adam wasn't an Israelite.
The Israelites were those that had been held in captivity by Egypt for about 400 years.
The succession is:
Hebrews (Abraham)
Israelites (Moses)
Jews (Jesus - today)
Actually, some theologians do agree with you.
They suppose that there were human beings living outside of the Garden
and this would be who the children of Adam and Eve married.
This seems to go against scripture, however. (since they weren't mentioned).
Most believe that they inter-married.
The word 'day' in Hebrew is yome and it means a period of time. Anything from a few hours to eternity. Here are a few examples.
1Ki_9:3 And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually. (yome)
1Ki_12:7 And they spake unto him, saying, If thou wilt be a servant unto this people this day, (yome) and wilt serve them, and answer them, and speak good words to them, then they will be thy servants for ever. (yome)
Gen_6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (yome)
Psalms 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. (yome) I really hope that 'for ever' does not mean a day of twenty four hours.
4892 B.C.Adam & Eve (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:3)
4762 B.C. Seth born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:6) .
4657 B.C. Enosh born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:9) .
4567 B.C. Cainan (alt. Kenan) born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:12) .
4497 B.C. Mahalalel born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:15) .
4432 B.C. Jared born (D:Heb/70)(B:Heb/70 Genesis 5:18) .
4270 B.C. Enoch born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:21) .
4205 B.C. Methuselah born (D:Heb/70)(B:Heb/70 Genesis 5:25) .
4018 B.C. Lamech born (D:Heb)(B:Heb Genesis 5:28) .
3962 B.C. Adam dies. (Genesis 5:4) .
3905 B.C. Enoch is taken by God. (Genesis 5:22-23) .
3836 B.C. Noah born (D:Heb/70)(B:Heb/70/Sam Genesis 5:32) .
3334 B.C. Shem born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/70/Sam Genesis 5:10) .
3236 B.C. Methuselah dies (Genesis 5:26-27). Worldwide Flood begins (Genesis 7:6, 11). .
3235 B.C. Flood Ends. (Genesis 8:13-14) Post-Flood
3234 B.C. Arphaxad born (D:Heb/Sam) (B:70/Sam Genesis 11:12) .
3099 B.C. Cainan born (D:70)(B:70 Genesis 11:13 Septuagint only) - Luke 3:36 2
I seem to remember that Usher and others took the date of a known event and calculated it backwards using people's ages as recorded in the Bible.
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For a long time, there were probably only about 2000 people in the whole world. All of these people had black skin, to protect them from the sun. All of them lived in Africa, and they lived in trees or caves or temporary shelters. Almost as soon as there were people, about 1.9 million years ago, they began to make stone tools. A million years later, around 800,000 BC, people learned to use fire.
About 65,000 years ago, probably drawn by the changing climate at the end of an Ice Age, a few of these people left Africa. They probably traveled along the coast of the Arabian peninsula, down around the coast of India, and eventually in boats to Australia. These people also had black skin. These became known as the Aboroginies.
50,000 BC Cave dwellers left wild date seeds along with evidence of pine nuts, walnuts, acorns, chestnuts etc. in the Shanidar Cave located in Northern Iraq.
40,000 in East Asia wolves became the first dogs, the first tame animals.
35,000 BC Fruits, nuts, roots were being gathered for food. No cultivation.
29,000 BC Paleolithic people in Central Europe cook mammoth and other animals in cooking pits.
20,000 BC the first appearance of boats or rafts to reach North America and South America.
12,000 BC Einkorn may have been the first domesticated grain.
11,000 BC Figs trees may have been domesticated. Dried figs found in the lower Jordan Valley in Israel (2006) have been dated to about 11,400 BC. They are a variety that is sterile, so the people may have learned to cultivate new trees by planting shoots.
10,000 BC Goats were domesticated in the Near East by this time.
10,000 BC Crude forms of flatbread were being made.
10,000 BC Emmer emerged as the 2nd domesticated grain, in Egypt.
9,300 BC Evidence of systematic storage of wild grains discovered near the Dead Sea in Jordan. 1,000 to 2,000 years before cultivation of domesticated species.
9,000 BC Sheep were domesticated by this time.
8,000 BC Pigs were domesticated in China by this time.
7,000 BC Apples possibly cultivated in southwestern Asia.
6,700 BC Earliest evidence for domestication of corn (Found in Mexico, 2009)
6,500 BC Cattle were domesticated by this time.
6,000 BC Lima Beans were being cultivated in Peru.
6,000 BC Fava Beans were being used in the eastern Mediterranean region.
6,000 BC Chili peppers and squash were part of the Meso-American diet.
6,000 BC Citrus fruit ancestor (citron) were grown in India at this time."
We know from the Bible that Adam and Eve were living in 4892 B.C. while at the same time there were other people who had been living in Africa 1.9 million years before them. There is a gap between the creation account of heaven and earth and the Mosaic record of the Biblical Adam and Eve.
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About 65,000 years ago, probably drawn by the changing climate at the end of an Ice Age, a few of these people left Africa. They probably traveled along the coast of the Arabian peninsula, down around the coast of India, and eventually in boats to Australia. These people also had black skin. These became known as the Aboroginies.
50,000 BC Cave dwellers left wild date seeds along with evidence of pine nuts, walnuts, acorns, chestnuts etc. in the Shanidar Cave located in Northern Iraq.
40,000 in East Asia wolves became the first dogs, the first tame animals.
35,000 BC Fruits, nuts, roots were being gathered for food. No cultivation.
29,000 BC Paleolithic people in Central Europe cook mammoth and other animals in cooking pits.
20,000 BC the first appearance of boats or rafts to reach North America and South America.
12,000 BC Einkorn may have been the first domesticated grain.
11,000 BC Figs trees may have been domesticated. Dried figs found in the lower Jordan Valley in Israel (2006) have been dated to about 11,400 BC. They are a variety that is sterile, so the people may have learned to cultivate new trees by planting shoots.
10,000 BC Goats were domesticated in the Near East by this time.
10,000 BC Crude forms of flatbread were being made.
10,000 BC Emmer emerged as the 2nd domesticated grain, in Egypt.
9,300 BC Evidence of systematic storage of wild grains discovered near the Dead Sea in Jordan. 1,000 to 2,000 years before cultivation of domesticated species.
9,000 BC Sheep were domesticated by this time.
8,000 BC Pigs were domesticated in China by this time.
7,000 BC Apples possibly cultivated in southwestern Asia.
6,700 BC Earliest evidence for domestication of corn (Found in Mexico, 2009)
6,500 BC Cattle were domesticated by this time.
6,000 BC Lima Beans were being cultivated in Peru.
6,000 BC Fava Beans were being used in the eastern Mediterranean region.
6,000 BC Chili peppers and squash were part of the Meso-American diet.
6,000 BC Citrus fruit ancestor (citron) were grown in India at this time."
We know from the Bible that Adam and Eve were living in 4892 B.C. while at the same time there were other people who had been living in Africa 1.9 million years before them. There is a gap between the creation account of heaven and earth and the Mosaic record of the Biblical Adam and Eve.
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Zephaniah 1:14-18
Near is the great day of the Lord,
Near and coming very quickly;
Listen, the day of the Lord!
In it the warrior cries out bitterly.
A day of wrath is that day,
A day of trouble and distress,
A day of destruction and desolation,
A day of darkness and gloom,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,
A day of trumpet and battle cry
Against the fortified cities.
And the high corner towers.
day is yome, meaning a period of time from a few hours to eternity.
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Near is the great day of the Lord,
Near and coming very quickly;
Listen, the day of the Lord!
In it the warrior cries out bitterly.
A day of wrath is that day,
A day of trouble and distress,
A day of destruction and desolation,
A day of darkness and gloom,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,
A day of trumpet and battle cry
Against the fortified cities.
And the high corner towers.
day is yome, meaning a period of time from a few hours to eternity.
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Dorothy Mae
Member
There is no theory is supported in scripture when it comes to details. None. The description is sketchy with only who did what and where the power came from. How it worked out into materially living forms is not given. The theory of time makes sense where as "poof" makes no sense at all. His word goes out and accomplishes what He desire but that often, very often in fact, takes a long time.
Now one can believe God spoke and "poof" as one learned in Sunday school. This does not increase one's faith as one does not see God saying "poof" and his will is done in real life before us. So one's faith is not encourage to believe "poof" will happen before our eyes although over a long period of time the Word of the Lord being worked out DOES happen, if we have eyes to see it. Jesus maturing to ministry was not in poof time. Moses becoming the leader God needed was not done in poof time. Most of the important representatives of God were selected at conception or childhood ...talk about a long time.
JackrabbitSlim
Member
Just curious, have you read through the entirety of this post?
JackrabbitSlim
Member
I do believe that God spoke and things came into existence. Ruin Recreation does not deny God speaking things into instantaneous existence.
Most of it. I have discussed this issue in the past as well.
JackrabbitSlim
Member
Roms. 1:18-20
"For God’s wrath is revealed from heaven against all godlessness and unrighteousness of people who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth, since what can be known about God is evident among them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, that is, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what he has made. As a result, people are without excuse."
What are you using as a support for all of this? It's definitely not Biblical.
JackrabbitSlim
Member
Indeed. Not only is it not supported Scripturally, it goes against Scripture. Almost sounds like one of them Nubian "black people are the real Jews" nonsensical belief systems.
JackrabbitSlim
Member
Not only do I not accept the "Big Bang Theory", I wholeheartedly reject it in all it's forms. It's a dangerous thing to fall into "consensus theology."
For your consideration here is an article from Answers in Genesis on the gap theory and the big bang theory I found very informative. I've only had time to read through half of it, but did book mark it to read the rest later as it is very long, but a good read so far.
answersingenesis.org
When Was Adam Created?
It is claimed that the Bible does not deal with the issue of the age of mankind or even how man came into existence.
answersingenesis.org