Bible Study Getting Out of the Sin-Confession Cycle.

[Hopeful 2]

1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, which is descriptive of genuine believers. John is not talking about flawlessly obeying all of the commandments 100% of the time/sinless perfection.

Right !

Only Jesus Christ has accomplished that. (Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 2:22) Man has failed. (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8-10) Verse 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not "keep" (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. That is descriptive of unbelievers.

Jesus was the first one, but not the last.
Jesus is our example, but if we cannot actually follow that example, what good was the example to begin with ?

Strong's Greek: 5083. τηρέω (téreó) -- to watch over, to guard (biblehub.com)
Yes, I know Him. John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge.

I am glad to read that.
I am also glad that you are walking in God, who is the light and in Whom is no sin.
I am glad that you are not a liar, and that the truth is in fact in you.
But doesn't that mean that you don't commit sin ?

 

[mailmandan]

Do you feel that the verses addressing those who walk in darkness, (1 John 1:6,8,10), apply to those who walk in the light (1 John 1:5,7,9) ?
I don't, as there is no sin in God, who is the light in whom the cleansed walk.

In regard to 1 John 1:7, believers were (past tense) once/formerly darkness but are now light in the Lord and we are to walk as children of light. (Ephesians 5:8) *Walking in darkness is descriptive of children of the devil. Walking in the light is 'descriptive' of children of God.

Only those who are saved/believers are in the light.

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

1 Thessalonians 5:4 - But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother.

*Notice that walks in darkness, hates his brother is 'descriptive' of children of the devil.

 

[Hopeful 2]

In regard to 1 John 1:7, believers were (past tense) once/formerly darkness but are now light in the Lord and we are to walk as children of light. (Ephesians 5:8) *Walking in darkness is descriptive of children of the devil. Walking in the light is 'descriptive' of children of God.

I agree.

Only those who are saved/believers are in the light.

I agree, with the caveat that our salvation won't be known until we are either raised to eternal life or to eternal damnation.
I may consider myself saved today, but what will I be thinking in fie or ten years ?

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.
2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
1 Thessalonians 5:4 - But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother.

Even with some man's addition of the word "practice", I still agree with the gist of those words.

*Notice that walks in darkness, hates his brother is 'descriptive' of children of the devil.

That's right.
The fruit determines the seed.

 

[donadams]

Do you feel that the verses addressing those who walk in darkness, (1 John 1:6,8,10), apply to those who walk in the light (1 John 1:5,7,9) ?
I don't, as there is no sin in God, who is the light in whom the cleansed walk.

if the apostles taught yhe "new reformation gospel of faith alone" how did the eunuch hear about the necessity of baptism?

 

[donadams]

the just man sins 7 times a day but yhese are venial sins and don't require confessing to a priest

wow which the judt man sins its in the psalms!
or confession to a priest?
Jn 20:21-23
thks

 

[Hopeful 2]

if the apostles taught yhe "new reformation gospel of faith alone" how did the eunuch hear about the necessity of baptism?

You should have started a new thread with this "change of subject".

First, they didn't teach such a thing as "faith alone", as it is called today.
The real "faith alone" is simply "without the works of the Law".
Today though, it has been hijacked by those against any obedience to God, "for salvation".

As for the Ethiopian eunuch, Philip told him all he needed to know for his conversion.

 

[donadams]

You should have started a new thread with this "change of subject".

First, they didn't teach such a thing as "faith alone", as it is called today.
The real "faith alone" is simply "without the works of the Law".
Today though, it has been hijacked by those against any obedience to God, "for salvation".

As for the Ethiopian eunuch, Philip told him all he needed to know for his conversion.

I agree!


heb 10:23-24

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

eph 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
(God grace preceds all our actions giving them life and value so we are not earning salvation)

gal 5:16 & gal 5:25 live (grace) and walk (faith & works) by the spirit!

thanks

 

[Hopeful 2]

I agree!


heb 10:23-24

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

eph 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
(God grace preceds all our actions giving them life and value so we are not earning salvation)

gal 5:16 & gal 5:25 live (grace) and walk (faith & works) by the spirit!

thanks

God's grace is like a free credit card placed on a table.
We have to pick it up and use it, for it to be of any value.

 

[donadams]

God's grace is like a free credit card placed on a table.
We have to pick it up and use it, for it to be of any value.

thats a good one!

God created us without out consent cos it was not possible but He will not justify or save us with our consent intellect and will with full participation on our part

thanks

 

[Hopeful 2]

thats a good one!

God created us without out consent cos it was not possible but He will not justify or save us with our consent intellect and will with full participation on our part

thanks

Too true.

 

[KV-44-v1]

Did you happen to notice that after confession and cleansing one CAN say they have no sins ?

Only AFTER. There is 0 evidence one will stop sin permanently in this life. Show me Verses, anecdotes, testimonies, and other evidence, that confirm guranteed 100% sinlessness in THIS life. Can you?

that can last into eternity.

CAN or WILL???? Choose ONE.

Jesus was the first one, but not the last.

If that was true, show me ONE man in the New Testament who managed to be "sinless" besides Christ.

Jesus is our example, but if we cannot actually follow that example, what good was the example to begin with ?

We will be sinless in Heaven. Expecting 100% total sinlessness in THIS life is absurd.

I agree, with the caveat that our salvation won't be known until we are either raised to eternal life or to eternal damnation.
I may consider myself saved today, but what will I be thinking in fie or ten years ?

But you asserted that you are "sinless"!! So you undermine your position?

Even with some man's addition of the word "practice"

So a word in the Bible is "mans addition" but your doctrine isn't. Riiiight.

 

[donadams]

Only AFTER. There is 0 evidence one will stop sin permanently in this life. Show me Verses, anecdotes, testimonies, and other evidence, that confirm guranteed 100% sinlessness in THIS life. Can you?

CAN or WILL???? Choose ONE.

If that was true, show me ONE man in the New Testament who managed to be "sinless" besides Christ.

We will be sinless in Heaven. Expecting 100% total sinlessness in THIS life is absurd.

But you asserted that you are "sinless"!! So you undermine your position?

So a word in the Bible is "mans addition" but your doctrine isn't. Riiiight.

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.


Heb 2:9-10 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

He is our model in everything!

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Galatians 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
ask and you shall receive matt 7:7
Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
thks