GOD CREATED MAN (ADAM) SINFUL

[jeremiah1five]

How can one be born of God but still be a sinner? (1 John 3:9-10)

Simple. It's biblical.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 Jn 1:8.

Seems you have a contradiction in Scripture. I'll leave it to you to reason it out. I know what it means.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I answered how sin and death came and spread among humanity. You don't want to agree with it, so be it. I certainly don't agree with you that God created Adam a sinner, or sinful, because I've found nowhere in scripture that God created Adam a sinner, or sinful.
It was when God told Adam to not eat from the forbidden tree, and Adam disobeyed, and ate from the tree God said not to eat from, that sin and death came into the world of mankind.

It's obvious that God created Adam with the ability to obey him. If it was impossible for Adam to obey God, when God told Adam not to eat from the forbidden tree, then God would not have told him not to eat from the tree, if it we're impossible for him to obey. God didn't, and wouldn't tell Adam to be obedient to something that was impossible for him to obey. So God created Adam with the ability to be obedient to the true God.
Being created a sinner, or being created sinful, would mean Adam would have been created immoral, and wicked, and as I said, God would not have said a sinner or someone who was sinful was very good.

Again, it's a simple question.

Does sin come from sinner?

or

Does sin come from holy?

Which one?

 

[BB1956]

Again, it's a simple question.

Does sin come from sinner?

or

Does sin come from holy?

Which one?

And I've given you my answer. Don't want to accept it, or agree with it, so be it. My answer isn't going to change though. No matter how you try to reason you will never convince me that God created Adam a sinner or a sinful man. You are saying that God created the first man to be disobedient. The fact that the scriptures show that God disapproves of disobedience and always has, means nothing to you. God punishes people for disobedience, always has right from the beginning, so he doesn't create a person to be disobedient then punishes him/her for being disobedient. But obviously that's the God you believe in. That's not the God of the Bible however.

 

[Mark51]

Before the high priest can enter the holy of holies, he needs to have his sins atoned (covered) and there are washings involved. Now, none of my two responders considered the question of a Righteous God creating an unrighteous man. This act would impugn the character of God and bring His Righteousness into question. Now the Scripture:

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev. 13:8.

Before God created the world, and Strong's defines the word 'world' as 'kosmos' which means not only the material world, but inhabitants, a lamb was slain. The Greek word 'kosmos':

from the base of <G2865> (komizo); orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitant, literal or figurative [moral]).

The Scripture states that a lamb was slain before the foundation (creation) of the world. What happen here? Who or what was the lamb? Did God create a lamb for the sole purpose of sacrificing it before He created the animal(s) in Genesis? No, I don't see that. Before God began creating animals the only lamb was the Lamb of God in eternity. THIS atonement or sacrifice allowed a Righteous God to create an unrighteous man - Adam.

I'm a sinner. I'm born again. I'm not separated from God. Paul says as much about himself in Romans 7. Was he separated from God? No, he was not. And you're forgetting the biblical definition of the word 'sin.' It means 'to miss the mark.' What mark is being referred here? The 'mark' or 'bullseye' is the glory of God. Think archery.

Being created in God’s image means that Adam had similar attributes such as love, wisdom, justice, power and etcetera.-Genesis 1;27
Adam was created perfect with the prospect to live forever. Notice what God said about His works at Genesis 1:31

 

[BB1956]

Being created in God’s image means that Adam had similar attributes such as love, wisdom, justice, power and etcetera.-Genesis 1;27
Adam was created perfect with the prospect to live forever. Notice what God said about His works at Genesis 1;31

It's sad to hear that people honestly believe like Jeremiah1five, who honestly believe that the true God created the first human Adam a sinner, or sinful. He honestly believes that the true God creating the first human a sinner or sinful to be very good in the true Gods eyes.

 

[Hopeful]

Adam wasn't born he was created.

Your post concerned more that just Adam.
Men aren't sinners until they sin, so how can anyone be born a sinner or evil?

 

[Hopeful]

The Scripture, the Word of God is written to believers in Covenant with God ONLY.

Read it in that context.

I wasn't a Christian or a believer when I first started reading the bible.
But thankfully, the Lord saw my intent to do right and brought me to the correct teachers.
Your response shows your interested in the truth is suspect.

 

[Hopeful]

Simple. It's biblical.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 Jn 1:8.

Seems you have a contradiction in Scripture. I'll leave it to you to reason it out. I know what it means.

If your interpretation of 1 John 1:8 is correct, then 1 John 1:7 is a lie.
Fact is, John is addressing two kinds of men.
Those who walk in darkness-sin...verses 6,8, and 10: and those who walk in light-God...verses 5,7, and 9.
John is juxtaposing light against darkness.

 

[jeremiah1five]

And I've given you my answer. Don't want to accept it, or agree with it, so be it. My answer isn't going to change though. No matter how you try to reason you will never convince me that God created Adam a sinner or a sinful man. You are saying that God created the first man to be disobedient. The fact that the scriptures show that God disapproves of disobedience and always has, means nothing to you. God punishes people for disobedience, always has right from the beginning, so he doesn't create a person to be disobedient then punishes him/her for being disobedient. But obviously that's the God you believe in. That's not the God of the Bible however.

Scripture disagrees with you:

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Rom. 9:21–22.

THIS IS the God of the Bible. He 'fitted' (created) some to be with Him, and others to be cast into the lake of fire to be destroyed. Eternally.

God predestined people to be of His seed, and God predestined others to be the seed of the serpent. Gen. 3:15

 

[jeremiah1five]

Being created in God’s image means that Adam had similar attributes such as love, wisdom, justice, power and etcetera.-Genesis 1;27
Adam was created perfect with the prospect to live forever. Notice what God said about His works at Genesis 1:31

First, the word 'good' in Genesis does not mean morally 'good.' There's another Hebrew word for that. The word 'good' in Genesis 1:31 means "to specifications' or 'good' enough (to His satisfaction.) Meaning God was satisfied with the result of His creation at each level of creating.

 

[jeremiah1five]

It's sad to hear that people honestly believe like Jeremiah1five, who honestly believe that the true God created the first human Adam a sinner, or sinful. He honestly believes that the true God creating the first human a sinner or sinful to be very good in the true Gods eyes.

What? You didn't read the Scripture I posted to support my position. You think Adam was perfect? Holy? Righteous?

Tell me, does sin come from sinner?

or

Does sin come from holy?

 

[jeremiah1five]

If your interpretation of 1 John 1:8 is correct, then 1 John 1:7 is a lie.
Fact is, John is addressing two kinds of men.
Those who walk in darkness-sin...verses 6,8, and 10: and those who walk in light-God...verses 5,7, and 9.
John is juxtaposing light against darkness.

No, John is describing everyone in Covenant and outside Covenant.

We are still sinners. We sin. Everyday. If we say - as some here say - that we do not sin the Scripture calls that person a liar and no liar has the Spirit of God dwelling in him/her.

Paul was saved but he still sinned. Peter was saved but he still sinned.

Even you still sin.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I wasn't a Christian or a believer when I first started reading the bible.
But thankfully, the Lord saw my intent to do right and brought me to the correct teachers.
Your response shows your interested in the truth is suspect.

The Old Testament: The Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets.

The Law was written by a believer in Covenant with God and addressed to other believers in Covenant with God.

The Psalms was written by believers in Covenant with God and addressed to other believers in Covenant with God.

The prophets were written by believers in Covenant with God and addressed to other believers in Covenant with God.

The New Testament:

The Gospels were written by believers in Covenant with God to other believers in Covenant with God.

The Epistles were written by believers in Covenant with God to other believers in Covenant with God. This is proved by the writer addressing the epistle to the CHURCH in Rome, the CHURCH at Philippi, the CHURCH in Corinth, etc. And the Church is comprised of believers in Covenant with God.

Thus, the Scripture of both Old and New Testaments were written by believers in Covenant with God to believers in Covenant with God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Your post concerned more that just Adam.
Men aren't sinners until they sin, so how can anyone be born a sinner or evil?

That's the human nature of the creature.

David declared as much:

Behold, I was shapen in iniquity;
And in sin did my mother conceive me
Ps 51:5.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Being created in God’s image means that Adam had similar attributes such as love, wisdom, justice, power and etcetera.-Genesis 1;27
Adam was created perfect with the prospect to live forever. Notice what God said about His works at Genesis 1:31

So God created a junior god?

Adam didn't possess deific attributes of God. He was created fallen short of the glory of God.

Paul calls that being a sinner.

Think carefully, you believe we are sinners because we sin, but Scripture teaches we sin because we are sinners.

Like Adam. He was created fallen short of the glory of God. Sin comes from sinners. Adam sinned because he was a sinner.

As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Sa 24:13.

Sin comes from the sinner. Simple.

The Word of God.

 

[BB1956]

Your post concerned more that just Adam.
Men aren't sinners until they sin, so how can anyone be born a sinner or evil?

Romans 5:12 says, "That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned." The scriptures make it clear that sin and death came into the world when Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree.(Genesis 2:15-17; Genesis 3:1-19)
So the reason humans die, the reason there is death is because human beings are born in sin. The fact that human beings die and don't continue to live forever is evidence that all men are born in sin. Romans 6:23 says, “the wages sin pays is death."

 

[BB1956]

That's the human nature of the creature.

David declared as much:

Behold, I was shapen in iniquity;
And in sin did my mother conceive me
Ps 51:5.

All these scriptures that you're bringing up are after Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree. So because of Adam and Eve's disobedience concerning the forbidden tree all of their offspring, which includes David, were born in sin. You can't disregard Adam and Eve's disobedience concerning the forbidden tree. This disobedience is how death came to humanity and since the scriptures say it's sin that causes death(Romans 6:23), Adam and Eve brought sin and death to humanity by being disobedient to God's command to not eat from the forbidden tree.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Romans 5:12 says, "That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned." The scriptures make it clear that sin and death came into the world when Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree.(Genesis 2:15-17; Genesis 3:1-19)
So the reason humans die, the reason there is death is because human beings are born in sin. The fact that human beings die and don't continue to live forever is evidence that all men are born in sin. Romans 6:23 says, “the wages sin pays is death."

It doesn't say sin came into the world when Adam and Eve sinned.

But it does say:

Romans 5:12 says, "That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned."

Through one man sin entered the world. God created Adam sin-ful which is why Adam sinned because sin comes from sinners.

 

[jeremiah1five]

All these scriptures that you're bringing up are after Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree. So because of Adam and Eve's disobedience concerning the forbidden tree all of their offspring, which includes David, were born in sin. You can't disregard Adam and Eve's disobedience concerning the forbidden tree. This disobedience is how death came to humanity and since the scriptures say it's sin that causes death(Romans 6:23), Adam and Eve brought sin and death to humanity by being disobedient to God's command to not eat from the forbidden tree.

The existence of a Law (of God), or command it doesn't matter which, shows we are sinners. Paul said the Law of thou shalt not covet showed him he was a lust-er.
The command of THOU SHALT NOT eat of it (the tree) shows us Adam was a sinner before he sinned. As a matter of fact, sin comes from sinner. Adam sinned thus he was a sinner because sin comes from sinner.

 

[BB1956]

So God created a junior god?

Adam didn't possess deific attributes of God. He was created fallen short of the glory of God.

Paul calls that being a sinner.

Think carefully, you believe we are sinners because we sin, but Scripture teaches we sin because we are sinners.

Like Adam. He was created fallen short of the glory of God. Sin comes from sinners. Adam sinned because he was a sinner.

As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Sa 24:13.

Sin comes from the sinner. Simple.

The Word of God.

Human Beings can express love, wisdom, justice, etc. Can they express love, wisdom, justice, etc in the absolute sense God can, and does, of course not. No one has absolute love, absolute perfection, absolute wisdom etc except the true God.