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I don't think I'm going to hell because I drink ice tea from time to time. :wink:
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christian_soldier
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I love coffee, I love tea, I love the java jive and it loves me. Coffee and tea and the java and me, a cupacupacupacupacup. aaaaah.
btw -
Matthew 15:
11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Jay T - Learn to read your Bible with the guidance of the Holy Spirit so that you may understand and be saved
Ephesians 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
btw -
Matthew 15:
11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Jay T - Learn to read your Bible with the guidance of the Holy Spirit so that you may understand and be saved
Ephesians 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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Oscar3
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christian_soldier said:
Yep, i totally agree.
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Jay T
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What about this one.....Solo said:
20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
[/quote:6956e][/quote:6956e] Really ?
Remember that not SDA's are true SDA's........just as all the disciples of Jesus Christ's group of 12, were not all true disciples either.
A true SDA (and, 7th day Baptists) are described in Revelation 14:12......
14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
And as a result of doing what Jesus Christ said to do......Satan hates them, and makes WAR against them (Revelation 12:17).
And this WAR....can take the form of lies against them, such as slander, bearing false witness against them.
Do you know what I'm talking about here ?
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Solo
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The LORD God is telling the elders of Israel, who went to Ezekiel to enquire of God, how that the children of Israel did not follow His statutes, keep His judgements, and hallow His sabbaths. I do not see where the LORD God is telling non-Jewish believers of the New Covenant these things. I will post the verse in context, which you always fail to do in order to lie and deceive people on this forum.Jay T said:
18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: 19 I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; 20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God. Ezekiel 20:18-20
If you keep lying and deceiving people you will never become sinfree, and you will convince some that you are a child of the devil if you aren't careful.
Since you are only aware of the commandments that God gave to Moses on Mt. Sinai, as he introduced the Old Covenant law to be followed by the Israelites; perhaps you would be doing yourself a favor by studying the New Covenant for a while.Jay T said:
It is good that you follow the commandments as Paul followed them. Perhaps you should explain some things that you do different than Paul.
Why do you preach about keeping the sabbath day holy, yet you keep it holy in the manner of the Seventh-Day Adventist way instead of the way that it was given to Moses? Which of the law of Moses do you follow? Those of Exodus 20 or those of Deuteronomy 5?
Why do the Apostles James, Peter, Paul, and others decide that the New Covenant does not require believers to keep the law of Moses?
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Acts 15:6-11
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:22-29
The Scripture shows in Acts 15 that the Apostles and Elders of the Church in the beginning passed information along to the non-Jewish believers that they were not required to keep the law of Moses. Why do the Seventh-day Adventists feel that they are required to keep the law of Moses when the Apostles said that they did not have to; unless Ellen G. White carries more authority than James, Peter, Paul, and the others mentioned in Acts 15.Jay T said:
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9
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Jay T
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Is there a SDA who keeps the Law of Moses....I don't know of any, or at least I never have seen one.Solo said:
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Solo
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There are no SDAs that are able to keep the law of Moses. Thank you also for showing your inability to rightly divide the Word of God. I am now convinced that you are only a religious practitioner of the SDA cult, and not a born again believer. I would suggest that you submit to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, repent from your sin, believe, and follow Him.Jay T said:
If you would like, I can meet you in Denver or somewhere half way between here and there, and I will show you the Gospel of Jesus Christ so that you may be saved.
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Jay T
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You right, No SDA would want to.Solo said:
They keep the 10 commandments as God describes they do, having the same faith Jesus Christ had, in order to keep the commandments of God.
Followers of Jesus Christ are known by this: 20:20 "And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God".
ONLY a true Christian can do so.
NO ONE can be saved, while disobey God !
As God said......those who sin against HIM, their names will be taken OUT OF the Book of Life !
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Solo
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Where is this 10 commandments recorded in the Scriptures that the SDAs keep as God describes that they do?Jay T said:
Followers of Jesus Christ are known by their love, and by their knowing the Word of God. The sign that you live by was given to the children of Israel after being led out of Egypt. They failed to keep God's statutes, judgments, and sabbaths as they were told. There children were also unable to keep God's statutes, judgments, and sabbaths as they were told. The elders of Israel seeking to enquire of God through Ezekiel also were not able to keep God's statutes, judgments, and sabbaths as they were told. Not only that but the Apostles who walked with Jesus Christ could not keep God's statutes, judgments, and sabbaths as they were told. Yet the cult of the Seventh-day Adventists will keep God's statutes, judgments, and sabbaths? I don't think so.Jay T said:
Ezekiel 20:18-20 18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: 19 I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; 20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
Well then, I suggest that you repent of your sin and quit disobeying God and accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour instead of the Seventh-Day Adventist cult.Jay T said:
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Jay T
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Had you understood Revelation 14:12, you'd have known that God identifies the SDA church as such......Solo said:
14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus".
They are the ONLY church God claims in obeying God, BECAUSE, they have the same faith Jesus Christ had.
20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
Judy
Member
I will let the Word of God speak for itself....
Matthew 15
1. Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying,
2. "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.''
3. But He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?
4. "For God commanded, saying, `Honor your father and your mother'; and, `He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.'
5. "But you say, `Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated to the temple''
6. `is released from honoring his father or mother.' "Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition.
7. "Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8. `These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
9. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' ''
10. Then He called the multitude and said to them, "Hear and understand:
11. "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.''
12. Then His disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?''
13. But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
14. "Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.''
15. Then Peter answered and said to Him, "Explain this parable to us.''
16. So Jesus said, "Are you also still without understanding?
17. "Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated?
18. "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man.
19. "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.
20. "These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.''
Mark 7:15. "There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man.
16. "If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!''
17. And when He had entered a house away from the crowd, His disciples asked Him concerning the parable.
18. So He said to them, "Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him,
19. "because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?''
20. And He said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man.
21. "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22. "thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.
23. "All these evil things come from within and defile a man.''
Acts 15:10. "Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
24. Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, `You must be circumcised and keep the law' to whom we gave no such commandment
25. it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26. men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
28. For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
29. that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
Gal. 2:14. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?
15. "We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16. "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
17. "But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not!
18. "For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19. "For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
20. "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21. "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.''
Matthew 15
1. Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying,
2. "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.''
3. But He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?
4. "For God commanded, saying, `Honor your father and your mother'; and, `He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.'
5. "But you say, `Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated to the temple''
6. `is released from honoring his father or mother.' "Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition.
7. "Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8. `These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
9. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' ''
10. Then He called the multitude and said to them, "Hear and understand:
11. "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.''
12. Then His disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?''
13. But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
14. "Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.''
15. Then Peter answered and said to Him, "Explain this parable to us.''
16. So Jesus said, "Are you also still without understanding?
17. "Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated?
18. "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man.
19. "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.
20. "These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.''
Mark 7:15. "There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man.
16. "If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!''
17. And when He had entered a house away from the crowd, His disciples asked Him concerning the parable.
18. So He said to them, "Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him,
19. "because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?''
20. And He said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man.
21. "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22. "thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.
23. "All these evil things come from within and defile a man.''
Acts 15:10. "Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
24. Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, `You must be circumcised and keep the law' to whom we gave no such commandment
25. it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26. men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
28. For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
29. that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
Gal. 2:14. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?
15. "We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16. "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
17. "But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not!
18. "For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19. "For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
20. "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21. "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.''
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Oscar3
Guest
Jay T said:
So Jay T
Can you make the blind see, make the criple walk, raise people from the dead, make wine out of water, part the red sea, and walk on water?
With your arrogance I will bet you think u can do these things. :-?
christian_soldier
Member
Jay T said:
:o :-?
but, but, I thought the COC was the one true church.
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Solo
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Judy said:I will let the Word of God speak for itself....
Do you really think that will help in this case?! :o
Perhaps if you changed your username to Ellen!! 8-)
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Jay T
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You see, I have a friend who can....HIS name is Jesus Christ.oscar3 said: