God (probably) HATES you!...maybe...

[kameronmessmer]

Recently a guy posted a question about God loving Satan. He was wondering if God is love does that mean He might love Satan? He said that God was immutable so God is always love. Well before i can even think about that question another question pops into my mind. Honestly i don't have all this straight in my head so this will be more questions than my opinion... God is unchanging, yes, but this doesn't mean THINGS don't change. Just like i will technically be the same person if i start hating my wife. I won't change but my feelings might. This argument isn't the strongest but it makes me think... Also the Bible does say, "God is love" but does this mean God loves everyone? I would have said yes but there are many verses where it says God hates as well. Specific people are mentioned as being hated in the Bible. We can bring up John 3:16 but if you look up the word "world" in "God so loved the world" it means, "of believers only". Basically-God so loved those who believe in Him or Christians or those who loved Him that He died for them. This messes with my "God loves everybody" idea. The only reason i would have found this out is because i was curious about the "westboro baptist church" and how they could be so...off. They have many scriptures backing them up even though they are stretching things... a lot... this one thing jumped out to me. The verse we stand on, "God so loved the world" has apparently been misunderstood through our reading of the English translation. I wonder how often that happens... These "God hates fags" fanatics have listed701 passages in the Bible where God hates or does not "love everyone". If God doesn't love even one of these people, take Esau for instance, how can we say God loves everyone?

This has been bugging me for a while and i kept shrugging it off until he asked that question. I was reminded of the haunting question... "What if God CAN hate people?" This flies in the face of "I am especially fond of everyone".

The only way I have found to cope with this question is my comprehension of Gods omniscience. Predestination as it were. If God knows everything He KNEW before anything happened who would choose Him and who wouldn't. In this knowledge God chose to Love those who did not reject Him and made a way for them to get to him through Jesus. Basically, in my head, I see it as God loved everyone He made but not everyone loves Him back so the love is hindered. I hope that makes sense.

 

[lovely]

I would say that the Westboro Baptist people have no right to hate. I realize they say that they do what they do in love, but Jesus described love as helping the widows and orphans, as serving the sick, feeding the hungry, helping those imprisoned. Is it helping the widow by protesting her husband's funeral? According to Jesus, they are not practicing 'true religion'.

As far as God hating people. I believe that God hates evil and His enemies. But, He has called us to love all, even our enemies, for the cause of Christ. To show the Love of Jesus, to be a picture of Him who died for all, because while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. We can not know who will come to Him...even if He can. God's love for the world has been unchanging, it was always His plan to send His Son to die. "It Pleased God to bruise Him"

The Lord bless you.

 

[Rocksolid]

If God doesn't love even one of these people, take Esau for instance, how can we say God loves everyone?

I don't say God loves everyone. I believe the Bible.

 

[LostSoul]

I have never known God to hate anyone. Let alone for scripture to specifically indicate that God hates any one person, people, or the like. Rather the idea and very act of sin. Which is why He continuously calls us all to repentance.

Then these are just my thoughts. I am just a babe in Christ who has much yet still to learn.

My apologies should anything I have said come across as offensive. None was meant.

May God Bless You

Danielle

 

[Photosmith]

I have never known God to hate anyone. Let alone for scripture to specifically indicate that God hates any one person, people, or the like. Rather the idea and very act of sin. Which is why He continuously calls us all to repentance.

Yep, look in Proverbs 6:16-19 and you see the words "There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him..." and what follows is really a list of sins, not a list of people. Yes, the last two sort of identify the sins with a person, but it's not the person that the Lord hates, it's the sin. Like you said, it's the sin he hates, not the sinner.

 

[Cornelius]

Like you said, it's the sin he hates, not the sinner.

Actually God hates the sinner as well. We must be careful of "bumper sticker Christianity "

Its a difficult subject and if we want to understand it properly , we need to really go and look what the Bible teaches.
I also use to think, God looked into the future and chose people because they chose Him. But that too is not so. Sure, God can look into the future, but He is not choosing those who DO good, or those who choose Him HE gives us the grace to choose Him anyway, so that cannot be the answer.

God says we are all made from the same lump of clay. Romans 9 talks of all of this.Then HE picks up a peace of clay and predestines that piece of clay to become something.He is really like the potter who beforehand, decides what this clay must look like . In God's case, that piece of clay must look like Jesus when HE has finished the pot. He loves His Son and all who looks like Him. The rest He hates. Hard words? Yes, but I cannot change what the Bible says.

Look: The WHOLE bunch of clay was lost to begin with, after Adam. OK? So instead of sending the whole bunch to hell, God decided to pick up some of it and make "vessels of honor" from it. From the same lump, vessels of dishonor is made too. They are here to serve the vessels of honor. They help us, to become more like Jesus. They are the ones who make life difficult for you. They are the "fire" that cleans the dross out of the gold. They are necessary for us, but its sad also, because they are being sacrificed as wood, so you and I can have a fire to clean out the dross from our lives...........to become .........vessels of honor.

C

 

[Rocksolid]

Like you said, it's the sin he hates, not the sinner.

Actually God hates the sinner as well.

Yes, the Bible declares that God hates all evildoers. But, this concept is so foreign in pop-Christianity that you say this to many people, you might as well be speaking a foreign language, or worse. "If God doesn't love even one of these people, take Esau for instance..." becomes "lksdjf jklsklfjkl skjfklkskl alf lkjsd klsaf" in their ears.

 

[Cornelius]

Like you said, it's the sin he hates, not the sinner.

Actually God hates the sinner as well.

Yes, the Bible declares that God hates all evildoers. But, this concept is so foreign in pop-Christianity that you say this to many people, you might as well be speaking a foreign language, or worse. "If God doesn't love even one of these people, take Esau for instance..." becomes "lksdjf jklsklfjkl skjfklkskl alf lkjsd klsaf" in their ears.

That is why it is important for us to read the Bible for ourselves or God will allow us to be deceived.We cannot rely on what we call "the church" to educate us in the Word.

So many people, so many views and so many mistakes. Many , many people are on their way to hell, calling themselves Christians and they are genuinely think they are. They have trusted in what some denomination has said and now they think they are fine. Its horrible and as you say, we can talk about it, and talk about it, and those who read it, will say: Well, thank God its not me they are talking about. I accepted Jesus into my heart in 1998 and I know I have been saved.