But being "drawn to Christ" inevitably leads to the new birth. If you read the Bread of Life Discourse in Jn 6 carefully, Jesus said that all that the Father gives to Him will come to Him and he will raise them up on the last day (see also Jn 17:2). This effectually drawing of God's elect is necessary since the natural man (unregenerate) have no heart for God and do not seek Him (Rom 3:11).
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TULIP - Irresistible Grace
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If the person believes.
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To those who believe.
It doesn't say that in Jn 17:2. Also, Jesus gives life to whom He pleases (Jn 5:21). And it doesn't appear you read John 6 or if you did, you didn't get its meaning. All that the Father gives to the Son will come to the Son [in faith], and all who come to the Son, he will raise up on the last day. Also, no one can come to the Son [in faith] unless the Father has enabled him (Jn 6:65).
And one more thing...Faith is a divine gift from God (Act 15:9; 18:27; Rom 12:3; Eph 2:8-10; 1Tim 1:14; 2Pet 1:3-4).
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as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:2-3
How does John 17:2 somehow nullify John 3:16, and Luke 8:12 and Romans 10:9?
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:2-3
How does John 17:2 somehow nullify John 3:16, and Luke 8:12 and Romans 10:9?
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
Neither Jn 17:2 or the Bread of Life Discourse in Jn 6 nullify any of those scriptures. Those passages complement them. After all, God graciously supplies the necessary faith per the various cites given earlier.
How does John 17:2 somehow nullify John 3:16, and Luke 8:12 and Romans 10:9?
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
Neither Jn 17:2 or the Bread of Life Discourse in Jn 6 nullify any of those scriptures. Those passages complement them. After all, God graciously supplies the necessary faith per the various cites given earlier.
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I might agree with you except that we are all "unregenerate" and do, in fact, respond to God's word. It is God's word that appeals to us and causes us to want to respond to Him.
The question is, Why do some find God's appeal "appealing" and others do not? I think it is somewhat above our pay grade, to know all of the mixes that come with human choice, and how that translates into future generations. There is a spiritual endowment, along with the DNA physical endowment. And all this is somewhat determined by the choices we make in life, or even by our ignorance of evil.
What we do know is that children are born, unregenerate as we all are without God's word, and they reject God's appeal. Since people are free, I suggest that their decision to reject God's word has something to do with their parents and society before them, causing them to latch on to independence from God. But God has always managed to breed into some a desire to be freed from the constraints of the sin nature, choosing to find in God's word a remedy.
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grace is NOT Irresistible!
the majority of mankind resist God grace everyday!
and those who once possessed grace can lose it!
and he is not speaking of physical death but eternal death!
thks
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Can you provide a scripture that says God’s grace is irresistible?
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Only those who obey the Lord are saved.
And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. Hebrews 5:9
Only those who obey the Lord receive the Holy Spirit.
And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.
Acts 5:32
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In that exact wording no. Can you find a scripture that says Gods Grace is not irresistible ?
Now I have a scripture that says Grace reigns through righteousness Rom 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Can you resist something that reigns ? Can you resist death by sin ?
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For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. Titus 2:11
Will all men be saved?
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In that exact wording no. Can you find a scripture that says Gods Grace is not irresistible ?
Now I have a scripture that says Grace reigns through righteousness Rom 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Can you resist something that reigns ? Can you resist death by sin ?
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Thats not what Jn 3:16 says.
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Others are stating what the bible teaches as they understand it.
If you don't like answering others...why do you post?
TULIP is NOT the gospel.
It's what John Calvin (and others) taught a mere 500 years ago.
It's a new teaching that was not part of the early church.
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