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God the Father created Jesus

Johny said:
Gingercat, the verses you provided aren't talking about Jesus.

It is wisdom personified speaking.

Proverbs 8:12

I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence; I posses knowledge and discretion.

When reading verses, take the whole chapter into consideration. :wink:
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And MIGHT NOT WISDOM, very easily be considered WORDS? Or, maybe even the Word?
 
Imagican said:
Johny said:
Gingercat, the verses you provided aren't talking about Jesus.

It is wisdom personified speaking.

Proverbs 8:12

I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence; I posses knowledge and discretion.

When reading verses, take the whole chapter into consideration. :wink:
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And MIGHT NOT WISDOM, very easily be considered WORDS? Or, maybe even the Word?
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Imagican, Joney is in my ignore list. Thank you for responding to his post.
 
gingercat said:
Prov 8:22-31
22 "The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;

23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.

24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth,
when there were no springs abounding with water;

25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,

26 before he made the earth or its fields
or any of the dust of the world.

27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,

28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,

29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.

30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,

31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.

Those verses are all about Jesus!
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Only if you imagine it into the text.

This passage is about the Wisdom of God which is always portrayed as a she. The Word of God and the Wisdom of God are not the same thing. God's Word is borne out of God's Wisdom. This is why Jesus, referring to himself, said that Wisdom is justified by her children (himself).

In his resurrection, Jesus, the Word of God, became for us the Wisdom of God because his body was glorified.

The Word was not created; Jesus is the incarnation of the Word where creation began, the place where creation began.

The Son was begotten at the horizon between eternity and creation, not in time, but the zero point of time.

God IS light. When God said, "Let there be light" he was begetting the Word, the Son, out of his bosom, the place where his Word is Wisdom is sourced.

"I am the light of the cosmos" - Jesus.
 
Truthminder,

Are you refuting the veses I am quoting? What is your point?
 
gingercat said:
Truthminder,

Are you refuting the veses I am quoting? What is your point?
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The point is the Proverbs 8 is not speaking of Jesus.

Is profusely refers to Wisdom as a SHE in that passage.

A SON is not a SHE.
 
TruthMiner said:
gingercat said:
Truthminder,

Are you refuting the veses I am quoting? What is your point?
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The point is the Proverbs 8 is not speaking of Jesus.

Is profusely refers to Wisdom as a SHE in that passage.

A SON is not a SHE.
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Where does it say what you are talking about? I can refute it!
 
gingercat said:
TruthMiner said:
gingercat said:
Truthminder,

Are you refuting the veses I am quoting? What is your point?
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The point is the Proverbs 8 is not speaking of Jesus.

Is profusely refers to Wisdom as a SHE in that passage.

A SON is not a SHE.
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Where does it say what you are talking about? I can refute it!
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Oh really?

Try starting at the beginning:

"Does not wisdom call, And understanding lift up her voice? " (Proverbs 8:1).
 
TruthMiner said:
"Does not wisdom call, And understanding lift up her voice? " (Proverbs 8:1).
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I did not bring this verse. What this verse anything to do with my OP?

My point is that Jesus is God's first creation. I have been showing the verses to back it up! Please don't beat aroung the bush like you always do. I don't play games. :evil:
 
Not trying to start anything, anyone can take verses out of context to prove their point. :-D

Sometimes you have to read the whole scripture, and not just the verse. :wink:
 
ChristineES said:
Not trying to start anything, anyone can take verses out of context to prove their point. :-D

Sometimes you have to read the whole scripture, and not just the verse. :wink:
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Who are you talking to and if you are talking to me which one are you talking about? I am sure I can refute anything you bring up! Please be specific instead of being vague.

Thank you.
 
gingercat said:
ChristineES said:
Not trying to start anything, anyone can take verses out of context to prove their point. :-D

Sometimes you have to read the whole scripture, and not just the verse. :wink:
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Who are you talking to and if you are talking to me which one are you talking about? I am sure I can refute anything you bring up! Please be specific instead of being vague.

Thank you.
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Don't worry, I wasn't talking about you, but about a lot of Christians.

That statement was somewhat "tongue in cheek", yet at the same time very serious. I hope that if I ever do it (or have done it), someone will bring it too my attention.
 
Gingercat, give it up.

When I come to a Christian forum I don't like reading garbage like this.

Gingercat, it's evident that your English skills are poor. Now I'm not being mean, but why don't you read the Bible in your primary language. It seems to me you'll actually understand what you're reading.

In every single post you make, you twist scripture to fit into you're twisted opinions. Stop making a mockery of our God, the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
quote="Johny"]Gingercat, give it up.

When I come to a Christian forum I don't like reading garbage like this.

Gingercat, it's evident that your English skills are poor. Now I'm not being mean, but why don't you read the Bible in your primary language. It seems to me you'll actually understand what you're reading.

In every single post you make, you twist scripture to fit into you're twisted opinions. Stop making a mockery of our God, the Lord Jesus Christ.[/quote]

Johny,

Awful rude to accuse the views of others 'garbage'. Regardless of how you may 'feel' about the thoughts of others, a little bit of respect would be in order.

So, Johnyboy, what do you like to read? If the subject matter in this thread 'bothers you', then why not simply pick another thread? And if just the forums in general that seem to displease you and your desires of what you read, I would offer the same thing that you found it necessary to offer ginger, 'don't read items in the forums, turn off your computer and read the Word. Got a Bible, right?

And with your comments you make a mockery of those that may view this type of behavior as 'Christian'. Where's your love bro? Where's your forgiveness, my friend? And isn't ginger to be allowed the same 'freedom' from persecution that you would expect? Ok, So let us at least 'try' to be civil whether it's in our nature or not. Thanks,

MEC
 
To tell you the truth, I have had enough of this. All she does is go around the forum making statements but never defends them or answers questions. Why can't she do soemthing so simple?

Maybe it would be better for me to leave these forums.
 
Imagican said:
Gingercat, it's evident that your English skills are poor. Now I'm not being mean, but why don't you read the Bible in your primary language. It seems to me you'll actually understand what you're reading.

In every single post you make, you twist scripture to fit into you're twisted opinions. Stop making a mockery of our God, the Lord Jesus Christ.
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MEC[/quote]

Imagican, It is quite insulting saying that I am making a mockery of God!!!

How did I do it?

You are giving Johny a lecture but you are doing the same thing.

I have never made any mockery of God. You owe me an apology!!!

Just because my language skill does not meet your standard I cannot speak for my Lord Jesus????

Since when you became inspector of posters?

How did I twisted around the Bible? Where is your Christian love when you accuse your sister the way you are accusing me of? I have been quoting verses and you cannot refute. Since you are accusing me of so many things you should show me how I am doing it.

thanks.
 
Gingercat, I said that to you, not Imigican.

It wasn't an insult, you have to realise what you're doing. We have refuted the verses you have provided, you just don't want to accept it.

I apologise for what I said. I let my anger get the best of me. Please forgive me.

*Could someone quote my post? She has me on ignore.
 
Johny said:
Gingercat, I said that to you, not Imigican.

It wasn't an insult, you have to realise what you're doing. We have refuted the verses you have provided, you just don't want to accept it.

I apologise for what I said. I let my anger get the best of me. Please forgive me.

*Could someone quote my post? She has me on ignore.
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I quoted it for you. :)
 
Now ginger, you and I don't always see eye to eye, but you know, (I hope you do), that I would NEVER insult ANYONE on this forum in such a way. Please go back and read the posts and you will see your mistake.

No, Johny, I didn't indicate that you should leave the forums. If that's the message that you got, let me apologize for not being more clear. I was simply trying to get you to 'think' a little bit before blasting an individual the way you did ginger.

I know that it can be frustrating when dealing with such 'individual' a subject as religion and that each of us often 'thinks' that we are the 'only' ones that 'truly' understand, but give it a chance and you will see that most on this forum are simply passionate about their beliefs and this can 'seem' to be confrontive at times.

Just offer each the respect that you wish them to offer you and you will get along fine.
 
Imagican, as i read ur post on here seems like u remind me of someone i met once............o yea i think his name was Jesus. i dont say that cause im hoping you would accompany me in a movie and maybee a makeout session afterwards. lol but its becasue i have a hard time holdin my toungue too, when it comes to somethin i passionatly believe in.
so that said...............Jesus IS God, now shut up!
just kiddin
he is right though, wheres the luv?
i only get piss......ah...eh proly dont want me to say that on here........realy mad when people "bash" and "make fun" of Believers and Who they believe in.
i understand its hard sometimes to see exactly what the bible says about things like this.
as long as your seeking the Truth, your in the right.
its when you say things thats clearly not the Truth, when your in the wrong.
i hope the Ghost will reavill to you the Truth on this subject.
 
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