God's Word And Your Condition

[gordon777]

How do you understand these scriptures below as God has used me, as well as many, as His vessel working His healing power through me/us as there is nothing we can do on our own.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Of course we are not told to handle snakes or drink anything that is poisoned, but to know if we are bitten by a snake like Paul was bitten or if we drank anything that was poisoned it can't hurt us if we have faith and trust in the Lord. These snakes handles are only tempting and deceiving others to prove their point of view as they misrepresent God's word.

Apostle Paul fulfilled all. What do you think you fulfil in comparison ?




Acts 28:3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.



This is why we hear the Lords Apostles and not YOU.




1 Corinthians 4: 9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

 

[gordon777]

It does happen quite a bit here in America as it does in all countries whether they are underdeveloped or not. God is no respecter of any country, but that all who will come to Him will be saved. Some get healed, some don't and I have no reason why others of great faith and trust in the Lord do not receive physical or mental healing, which was what I questioned from the beginning, but probably will never get an answer as only God knows.

I can answer.


There is no faith when Jesus returns ( now), and the ones who cry to the Lord are dead in the faith, as coinfirmed for you which you can ignore..




Luke 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

 

[gordon777]

I believe we are allowed to question certain things for that is how we learn, but it is up to God to give us an answer and not man. If God be silent on what we ask then we just need to accept His silence. I agree that God never said if we are Spiritually born again from above our lives would be a bed of roses as He said we will face many trials and tribulations here on earth.

We do not learn by questions, we show our doubt through them.

The answer that saves us is told, HEAR IT..



1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[gordon777]

A vastly superior way to claiming for you what God said to Paul (not you) is to DO WHAT PAUL DID. That is, press in to the Lord and ask for guidance as to how to proceed. I do admit that if you haven’t developed a life time of asking God for his instructions/directions on less weighty matters this will be tough.

That is because hearing God has requirements on our part. Fhg said God chooses not to answer, but the truth is we don’t hear Him, same as in Jesus’ day people didn’t hear God either. There’s a reason for that but you’re not going to like it.

Apostle Paul did not ask what to do, Apostle Paul has the Lord revealed to Him, why would we need to ask questions when we would not know what we are asking about ? Apostle Paul can ask as a man, but again, not understanding a thing of the Lord in Spirit, until the Spirit of the Lord is revealed, means man knows what he knows, without any understanding at all. Until the Spirit, the Spirit is foolishness to all men( and women.)



When the Lord is revealed to us, that is the answer, revelation.



Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Galatians 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

 

[gordon777]

I know because you are moderators you feel you can get away with whatever you please, but you will receive this one day( as testified) and it is why I have testified for you, and I am glad you thought all was cherry picked and of no value to you, because it was to me.




James 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Utter rubbish, and why do you think you have any Spirit of truth when it is blatant ignorance ?

Apostle Paul did not ask what to do, Apostle Paul has the Lord revealed to Him, why would we need to ask questions when we would not know what we are asking about ? Apostle Paul can ask as a man, but again, not understanding a thing of the Lord in Spirit, until the Spirit of the Lord is revealed, means man knows what he knows, without any understanding at all. Until the Spirit, the Spirit is foolishness to all men( and women.)



When the Lord is revealed to us, that is the answer, revelation.



Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Galatians 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Well, for sure and certain the above experience won’t be yours. If a believer doesn’t believe God can answer their seeking Him, well that experience won’t be there’s.

Paul actually did seek the Lord. He said so, three times.

For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

God gave him understanding in full sentences, not “no” “yes”or “wait.”

 

[gordon777]

Well, for sure and certain the above experience won’t be yours. If a believer doesn’t believe God can answer their seeking Him, well that experience won’t be there’s.

Paul actually did seek the Lord. He said so, three times.

For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

God gave him understanding in full sentences, not “no” “yes”or “wait.”

Paul reveals for us how to seek the Lord by what he suffered


Acts 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

 

[gordon777]

If you can only give partial answers, how do you think you can answer against what is whole ( Gods Word.)


1 Timothy 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, DOING NOTHING BY PARTIALITY.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Paul reveals for us how to seek the Lord by what he suffered, get real


Acts 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

If you are happy with what God showed Paul, a kind of vicarious revelation that has no bearing on your own life, what can anyone offer?

 

[gordon777]

If you are happy with what God showed Paul, a kind of vicarious revelation that has no bearing on your own life, what can anyone offer?

Paul testifies what the Lord wants to reveal to all the world( example of the suffering of Christ in him)

How naive to think Paul does not know his purpose God has for him and that you think it is to take the sufferings and illnesses away( that takes the Spirit of Christ from resting on us AWAY.)




2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

2 Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

1 Peter 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

 

[gordon777]

Why do you think you can show me as incorrect, I know you cant manage that in a thousand tries.

Also the reason you can speak and not have fear, is because the entire world is wicked right now, so the world hears the wicked.



1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

 

[farouk]

I saw the thread's title and immediately thought of Isaiah 55. And then saw that the OP quoted it.................

 

[gordon777]

If you want to know the word that does not return to God void, it is the word of salvation. It accomplishes what God sent it for.





Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Acts 10:36 THE WORD WHICH GOD SENT UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37 THAT WORD, I SAY, YE KNOW, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Paul testifies what the Lord wants to reveal to all the world( example of the suffering of Christ in him)

No he doesn’t. Where does he say that whole world anything particular about himself? He was writing to one church, not the world. And why is his personal suffering important to the world? Jesus’ suffering was important, not Paul’s.

How naive to think Paul does not know his purpose God has for him and that you think it is to take the sufferings and illnesses away( that takes the Spirit of Christ from resting on us AWAY.)

Huh? His purpose was to being the gospel to the Gentiles, not show the world how great he suffered. He loved Jesus, not fame.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Where is the “world”in that?

Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

2 Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

1 Peter 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

They certainly participated afflictions for the sake of Christ. But for the sake of Christ, not Paul.

 

[gordon777]

No he doesn’t. Where does he say that whole world anything particular about himself? He was writing to one church, not the world. And why is his personal suffering important to the world? Jesus’ suffering was important, not Paul’s.

Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

1 Corinthians 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Dorothy Mae​

"Jesus’ suffering was important, not Paul’s."




2 Corinthians 1:5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.

Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

 

[gordon777]

Huh? His purpose was to being the gospel to the Gentiles, not show the world how great he suffered. He loved Jesus, not fame.

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

Acts 28:20 For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.

 

[gordon777]

Where is the “world”in that?

1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

 

[gordon777]

They certainly participated afflictions for the sake of Christ. But for the sake of Christ, not Paul.

2 Corinthians 6:3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6 By pureness, by knowledge, by long suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
11 O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
12 Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.
13 Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.

 

[for_his_glory]

Our understanding is nothing compared to Gods word( the word that is for ever and all of heaven and earth vanishes for ever.

Apostle Paul was concerned about healing, Gods answer answers for you...





2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

If you do not want to give us your understanding of what I asked you in post #52 then there is no point in discussing certain things with you. Posting scripture is fine, but if one does not explain them to that which they were asked then how does this help us learn.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus did not come to heal bodies

Then why did He heal the sick?