Hell

[WyldCyde]

Thankfully Hell's days are numbered:

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Revelation 1:18
I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

Revelation 20:13
The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

1Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

Romans 5:18
Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says.

Wyldcyde

 

[saved4life]

Hell is here on Earth.

Pain is the function of the brain. An apparition, really. It can be blocked pretty much entirely with drugs.

The biological purpose of pain was for survival, and to signal to the organism that something was wrong, and that a threat was endangering the body. All complex organisms and animals have it.

Only man decided to use pain as a punisment.

When you are dead, your brain decomposes, and so does your pain-receptors.

The only way you can feel pain in Hell is if God "re-constitutes" your pain-receptors in Hell in a sadistic and perverse use of the original intent of pain- a necesssary signal of danger and harm.

 

[FineLinen]

Re: yoish

There are so many people who know not what to think about this topic. Some think that it doesn't exist but I am not one of those. I think that hell is a literal place because it says so in the Bible and we are to believe it, and it is also an eternal seperation from Christ and the life you could have had you chosen Him.

Greetings Ayla...Death and hell are consummated in the Lake of Fire burning with the Breath of Jehovah and His divine Theion/incense. If hell is an "eternal separation from Christ", how is death and hell's end in the Lake of Fire, and our God who is a consuming fire? And, is all of created life whose beginnings in the first Adam are "not willingly", or "by any choice of its own", into the position of slavery, delivered ultimately from this position of hupotasso described in Romans 8?

"Shall be delivered"= Eleutheroo

Eleuthero=

To make free. To set at liberty from the dominion of sin.

 

[Free]

saved4life,

in a sadistic and perverse use of the original intent of pain- a necesssary signal of danger and harm.

First prove that that is the "original intent," or even the only intent of pain. Second, since we are discussing the biblical hell, remember that everyone will have a resurrected body, so it is possible we will have pain receptors. Third, it is not only aout pain, or even necessarily about pain, it is most probably about torment.

 

[FineLinen]

Father loves us this I know!

Romans 8:38,39

"For I am convinced that there is nothing in death or life, in the realm of spirits or superhuman powers, in the world as it is or the world as it shall be; in the forces of the universe, in heights or depths--nothing in all creation that can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." (N.E.B.)

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (AKJV)

"I am quite sure that nothing in death or in life, no angel and no superhuman being, nothing in the world as it is and nothing in the world as it will be, no power of the heights and no power of the depths, nor anything else in all the created universe will be able to part us from the love which God has shown us in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Wm. Barclay New Testament)

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (ASV)

"For I am certain that not death, or life, or angels, or rulers, or things present, or things to come, or powers, Or things on high, or things under the earth, or anything which is made, will be able to come between us and the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (BBE)

"For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,
nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Common)

"I have become absolutely convinced that neither death nor life, neither messenger of Heaven nor monarch of earth, neither what happens today nor what may happen tomorrow, neither a power from on high nor a power from below, nor anything else in God's whole world has any power to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." J.B. Phillips

"For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Darby)

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Messiah Yeshua our Lord." (HNV)

"For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers nor anything above, nor anything below, nor anything else in all creation can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (ISV)

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (KJV)

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life; neither angels, nor principalities; nor powers; neither things present, nor to come; neither height, nor depth; nor any created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (LO)

"For I am fully persuaded that neither death nor life, Neither angels nor principalities, nor powers, Neither the present world nor the world to come, Nor the powers of Nature, Nor height, nor depth, Nor any other created thing, Shall be able to separate us from the love of God Which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Montgomery)

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, will be able to sever me from the love of God, which is in our Lord Jesus Messiah." (Murdock)

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of יהוה, which is in Messiah Yahushua our Saviour." (RNKJV)

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (R. Webster)

"For I am persuaded thatâ€â€neither death nor life, nor messengers nor principalities, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, Nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Joseph Rotherham)

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (WEB)

"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither the lower ranks of evil angels nor the higher, neither things present nor things future, nor the forces of nature, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God which rests upon us in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Weymouth)

"For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor messengers, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things about to be, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (YLT)

"For I am certain that neither death nor life, neither the present nor the future, no powers of the Height or of the Depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to part us from God's love in Christ Jesus our Lord." James Moffatt

"For I am certain that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor powers, neither height nor depth nor any other creature, will be able to separate us from the love of God that comes to us in Christ Jesus our Lord." (The New Am. Bible)

"For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor messengers, nor sovereignties, nor the present, not what is impending, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus, our Lord." (Concordant Literal)

"I am persuaded"= Peitho=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"That neither death= Thanatos=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"Nor life"= Zoe=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"Nor angels"= Aggelos=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"Nor Principalities"= Arche=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"Nor powers"= Dunamis=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"Nor things present"= Enistemi=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"Nor things to come"= Mello=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"Nor height"= Hupsoma=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"Nor depth"= Bathos=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"Nor any creature"= Ktisis=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"Shall be able"= Dunamai=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"To separate us"= Chorizo=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"From"= Apo=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"The love of God"= Agape Theos

"Which is in"= en

"Christ Jesus"= Christos Lesous

Jehovah Is Salvation

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

"Our Lord"= Kurios=

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Gre ... ersion=kjv

 

[Free]

:roll:

 

[saved4life]

:roll:

I know.

Some people just dump loads on the board.

 

[saved4life]

saved4life,

in a sadistic and perverse use of the original intent of pain- a necesssary signal of danger and harm.

First prove that that is the "original intent," or even the only intent of pain. Second, since we are discussing the biblical hell, remember that everyone will have a resurrected body, so it is possible we will have pain receptors. Third, it is not only aout pain, or even necessarily about pain, it is most probably about torment.

First of all, in philosophical debate, it's called the "principle of charity." Look into it if you get a chance. I won't side-track things here, but nobody seems to use it on this board.

Instead of the word "intent," imagine I said "function." The principle of charity would have done this automatically, but I'll state it explicitly for this board.

All organisms that have even a rudimentary nervous system experience electrical impulse sensations that can be called "pain." If such simple, (non-sentient?) animals have this "function" then it is surely a function of survival and not one that is supposed to be in place so God can have a choke-chain around just us naughty humans.

Torment vs. pain? Ok, I'll bite. What's your distinction?

 

[Free]

saved4life,

If such simple, (non-sentient?) animals have this "function" then it is surely a function of survival and not one that is supposed to be in place so God can have a choke-chain around just us naughty humans.

Well, I suppose it all depends on wether or not you believe God created all living things. I do agree that pain is a survival function, but I also believe it to be purposeful for discipline - "spare the rod, spoil the child" - and that God may have created it for such as well. From a naturalistic viewpoint, I would agree that pain is first and foremost for survival. Anyway, this point is probably pointless.

As for torment vs pain, torment comes from within, pain from without. In other words, torment would be extreme anguish caused by knowing what could have been, but instead what is and not being able to do anything about it, forever. This would result in the most intense despair, depression, and loneliness one could imagine.

Whether hell is pain, or torment, or both, it is everything that God is not and everything that is the opposite of good. Not a good place to be.

 

[saved4life]

"spare the rod, spoil the child"

Would you ever hit your child with a rod, or do you just think that verse just reflects the brutality of the period?

 

[Free]

I think "rod" is just a word for a blunt instrument. Yes, when I have children I will spank them when necessary, whether or not it is with a rod - done properly it's discipline, not abuse. But let's not get sidetracked from the discussion on hell.

 

[saved4life]

I think "rod" is just a word for a blunt instrument. Yes, when I have children I will spank them when necessary, whether or not it is with a rod - done properly it's discipline, not abuse. But let's not get sidetracked from the discussion on hell.

I'm done with Hell. :evil:

Spanking talk just excites me. :

 

[Scott]

Hell doesn't exist yet.

 

[saved4life]

Hell doesn't exist yet.

Where are the dead unrepentant?

 

[Scott]

Yet unawakened to be judged to eternal damnation.

 

[saved4life]

Yet unawakened to be judged to eternal damnation.

They've been sleeping for thousands of years and they're going to be awakened just to be punished? Hmm...seems pretty odd.

 

[Scott]

While there are many questions that are unanswered and so much that we don't know, I'll offer you this. Revelation 20:11-15. After reading that passage go back to Revelation 19:20-21. The beast and the false prophet were cast into Hell, while those who recieved the mark were killed by the sword and eaten by the birds. Now it never says their souls were cast into Hell with the beast and false prophet. We see later that the dead are judged, (Rev. 20:14) and death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire (Hell).

 

[lastwords]

Yet unawakened to be judged to eternal damnation.

Dkc I must agree with you on this :fadein:

but there are those who are having grave punishment

 

[saved4life]

Yet unawakened to be judged to eternal damnation.

Dkc I must agree with you on this :fadein:

but there are those who are having grave punishment

Smiley faces when talking about eternal damnation for your fellow man? :-? I swear you guys are harder to figure out than chinese algebra.

 

[Free]

DkC,

Which Bible are you reading? Rev. 20:15 states that anyone whose name isn't found in the book of life is thrown into the lake of fire, and this not very long after the devil, beast, and false prophet are thrown in. I am very certain that the Bible does not state anything about people sleeping until Judgement Day. In fact, there are passages that support conscious existence.

Also, the Bible states that hell does exist (2 Pe. 2:4) and I can't find anything to indicate that it is yet to come into existence.

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you.