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His Death alone Justifies the Ungodly, some of them !

beloved57 said:
Thats not what Heb 10:10 says !
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beloved57 said:
jlb



In fact, there not one scripture that says this, so its a invalid statement not supported by scripture !
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Those who choose to believe in their and confess with their mouth, the Lord Jesus are saved.

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? Romans 10:9-15

  • For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
  • How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed?

I honestly don't know what point you are trying to make, it seems you are just talking in circles.

Believers in the Gospel are saved.

A person must choose to believe.

“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Acts 16:30-31


Here are the words of Jesus Christ to Paul:

18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:18


The way a person receives the forgiveness of sins is to turn to God.

This is the choice for each person who hears the Gospel to make.



JLB
 
JLB said:
Those who choose to believe in their and confess with their mouth, the Lord Jesus are saved.

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? Romans 10:9-15

  • For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
  • How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed?

I honestly don't know what point you are trying to make, it seems you are just talking in circles.

Believers in the Gospel are saved.

A person must choose to believe.

“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Acts 16:30-31


Here are the words of Jesus Christ to Paul:

18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:18


The way a person receives the forgiveness of sins is to turn to God.

This is the choice for each person who hears the Gospel to make.



JLB
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Again, you totally disregard what scripture has stated Heb 1:3; 10:10,14; Rom 5:19, which all state clearly that the death of Christ has did it all.
 
beloved57 said:
Again, you totally disregard what scripture has stated Heb 1:3; 10:10,14; Rom 5:19, which all state clearly that the death of Christ has did it all.
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His death is the one and final sacrifice for all who choose to believe.

You have disregarded the scriptures that I have posted from Romans and Acts, as well as the rest of the New Testament.


You are attempting to isolate scriptures taken out of context, to prop up your man made flase doctrine that comes from Calvinism.

  • Believers are saved.
  • Unbelievers are condemned.


He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:16

Everyone must make a choice to believe, those who do will be saved.




JLB
 
beloved57 said:
jlb



I have no problem with that, since being sanctified is in the perfect tense back in Heb 10:10, however, its the death of Christ that effects it. Thats what the scripture is saying. Now does it effect that for everyone without exception ? The answer is clearly NO ! Thats a good reason to know that Christ's death is limited to only some, thats limited atonement !
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Was Adams death limited to only some? Only some were made sinners?

Adams death was all encompassing, but the Lord Jesus Christ couldn't quite pull it off?

Romans 5:19 (KJV 1900)
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Adams disobedience caused ALL men to be sinners, Jesus Christ died so that EVERY man has the opportunity to be saved the moment they believe........Because HE took the judgement for ALL sin on that bloody,forsaken cross.

John 12:32~~New American Standard Bible
"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."

2 cor 5:19~~New American Standard Bible
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Rom 1:16~~16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
 
beloved57 said:
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Thats not true, that statement is not found anywhere in Scripture. Those Christ died for are made righteous solely by His Obedience, the obedience of One Rom 5:19
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If you want to use that verse, here it is:
"For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous."

Are you now a universalist? You need to explain verses that don't say what you claim.

If one considers the logic of using your verse, then the "many" who were "made sinners" by Adam would ONLY be the elect, leaving all others sinless. Ha.

One must use BOTH sides of the verse, not just cherry pick the part that one thinks supports their views.

Also, as alrady stated, those Christ died for have been purged from their sins Heb 1:3, that Justification, because by the shedding of Christ blood, their sins have been washed away, they have been purged from all guilt, and made pure and holy by the blood and righteousness of Jesus Christ ! They did not do anything, Christ gets all the credit !
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Of course Christ gets all the credit. But Heb 1:3 doesn't say what is being claimed. Not even close.

"The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven."

The phrase "purification for sins" refers to the FACT that He paid the price for all sin. Which results in Christ having obtained the free gift of eternal life for everyone, which is those He died for, as already PROVEN from 3 verses that actually SAY that.

Unlike your view that Christ only died for some. Where is that verse?
 
beloved57 said:
Again, you totally disregard what scripture has stated Heb 1:3; 10:10,14; Rom 5:19, which all state clearly that the death of Christ has did it all.
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What has been missed is that because "the death of Christ has did (sic) it all", there is nothing more anyone can do but ACCEPT what He has done. Which is what faith in Him is about.

But your theology eliminates the need for faith and believing. Which is unbiblical.
 
Please note:
I have deleted and edited many posts over the last three or four pages of this thread. The A&T forum has specific rules and I insist you all to abide by them please. If you disagree with another please provide the Scripture that supports your reason for the disagreement. It is also rude to not provide additional explanation for the same. With that said, I will not allow for the continued "one-liner" responses without suitable explanation. Please take this warning seriously.

Thank you.

Oh, one other thing. Don't get personal. Address the topic without adding your personal comments and characterizations of the the other person.
 
beloved57 said:
Yes it does. Those Christ died for have been purged from their sins Heb 1:3 and they have been both sanctified and perfected forever, solely by His death, the offering of His Body Heb 10:10,14 !
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Please learn to backquote so we know to whom you refer?
 
gr8grace3 said:
Was Adams death limited to only some? Only some were made sinners?

Adams death was all encompassing, but the Lord Jesus Christ couldn't quite pull it off?

Romans 5:19 (KJV 1900)
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
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gr8grace3,

I'm of the view that we shouldn't quote Romans 5:19 without the preceding verse:

'18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous' (Rom 5:18-19 ESV).​

However, on the surface, vv 18-19 seem to proclaim contradictory teaching:
  • One act of trespass (Adam) led to condemnation for all people;
  • One act of righteousness (Christ) led to justification for all people;
  • One man's (Adam's) disobedience made 'many' (not all) sinners;
  • One man's (Christ's) obedience made 'many' righteous.
Do we have contradictions here? Perhaps it has to do with the meaning of 'righteous'.:twocents

Oz
 
Gr8

19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
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Adam was a natural head, Christ a Spiritual Head. Adams fall effected all whom he naturally was the head of, and Christ obedience effected all whom He was the Spiritual Head of, His Church.
 
FreeGrace said:
What has been missed is that because "the death of Christ has did (sic) it all", there is nothing more anyone can do but ACCEPT what He has done. Which is what faith in Him is about.

But your theology eliminates the need for faith and believing. Which is unbiblical.
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Not found in scripture. Those Christ died for are made righteous by them doing or accepting nothing, it plainly says that they were made righteous by the obedience of one. Rom 5:19!
 
FreeGrace said:
Yet, none of the verses provided in your posts says what you've claimed.
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Yes they do. Rom 5:19 says that by the obedience of one, not by two,many shall be made righteous.

Scripture says that by Christ death/offering of Him self, they were perfected and sanctified Heb 10:10,14
 
FreeGrace said:
No, the real problem is disregarding Rom 5:1, which specifically says that we are justified by faith. Rom 5:9 tells us what that faith is in; His death on the cross for our sins.
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I'm not discussing Rom 5:1, I have no problem with it, but you don't agree with Rom 5:19, nor Heb 1:3. Nothing about Faith in those scriptures.
 
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