Hitting back a woman - a taboo, an evil

[jasonc]

I hug too,when I get the Underhooks,lol

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

However, let me just point out for the record that I wasn't saying by any means that it's fair for a man just to stand back and take the abuse. Basically, I am just agreeing with everyone else.

 

[Count Duckula]

Equal rights to a feminist woman would be for all men to become castrated and lobotomized to become more like them.

 

[Free]

What I'm saying is that if WOMEN ARE NOT WEAK, as I claim they are, WHY do they get violated??

As to the domestic violence...

Where's Barb??
We could use some graphs here.
The percentage must be down in the single digits.
Men will not tend to stand there and be physically abused forever.
§A slap is a slap,
physical abuse is different and I truly doubt they'd take it.
The men here could comment.

One said he'd leave a woman JUST FOR A SLAP alone!

It is unfortunate that so many in society believe as you do. There are many stereotypes against men that push them under the rug when it comes to them being victims of domestic violence (DV) from their female partners. Physical strength has little to do with the issue of physical DV, and nothing to do with why someone gives or receives abuse. Abusers are abusers and victims are victims, whether strong or weak. There are numerous reasons why men don't fight back.

A slap most certainly is not just "a slap"; that is physical abuse. That is exactly one of the stereotypes against men--if a man slaps a woman, it's abuse; it a woman slaps a man, it isn't abuse.

Some interesting stats:

1. In the west, women use acts of physical aggression to their heterosexual partners more frequently than men.
2. The bias towards women being more aggressive than men in couples is stronger when the males are less aggressive.
3. The younger the couple, the more the female rate of assaulting a partner exceeds the rate for males.
4. In domestic violence, women also commit more severe assaults than men.
5. Among heterosexual partners, women are more likely than men to throw something at the other, slap, kick, bite, or punch, and hit with an object. Men are more likely than women to beat up, and to choke or strangle.
6. Within couples, the woman is more likely to initiate violence.
7. When only one partner is violent, it is twice as likely to be the female partner as the male partner.

http://domestic-violence.martinsewell.com/

As for stats on how many men are abused by their female partners, there are no real numbers because it is significantly underreported, due to the stereotypes against them. In the home, women are just as likely to physically abuse their male partners, as men are to abuse their female partners.

 

[Truthfrees]

If the relationship is at a level where any physical abuse is made by either party. It's best (as a man) to step away from the situation. If I were to get hit by a woman, I'm able enough to take several full blown swings but it is a major red-flag. I don't want that physical abuse either - best to leave that relationship before it escalates.

and i have found that it usually does escalate - if a person can cross that line into violence they have a hard time going back to non-violence - usually

 

[GodsGrace]

It is unfortunate that so many in society believe as you do. There are many stereotypes against men that push them under the rug when it comes to them being victims of domestic violence (DV) from their female partners. Physical strength has little to do with the issue of physical DV, and nothing to do with why someone gives or receives abuse. Abusers are abusers and victims are victims, whether strong or weak. There are numerous reasons why men don't fight back.

A slap most certainly is not just "a slap"; that is physical abuse. That is exactly one of the stereotypes against men--if a man slaps a woman, it's abuse; it a woman slaps a man, it isn't abuse.

Some interesting stats:

1. In the west, women use acts of physical aggression to their heterosexual partners more frequently than men.
2. The bias towards women being more aggressive than men in couples is stronger when the males are less aggressive.
3. The younger the couple, the more the female rate of assaulting a partner exceeds the rate for males.
4. In domestic violence, women also commit more severe assaults than men.
5. Among heterosexual partners, women are more likely than men to throw something at the other, slap, kick, bite, or punch, and hit with an object. Men are more likely than women to beat up, and to choke or strangle.
6. Within couples, the woman is more likely to initiate violence.
7. When only one partner is violent, it is twice as likely to be the female partner as the male partner.

http://domestic-violence.martinsewell.com/

As for stats on how many men are abused by their female partners, there are no real numbers because it is significantly underreported, due to the stereotypes against them. In the home, women are just as likely to physically abuse their male partners, as men are to abuse their female partners.

Free,
We could go on forever. If I'm going to be true to myself, I can't agree with you.
If we're going to say that "women shouldn't be firemen because they're not as strong" then we have to carry this through to home violence too.

Look at your list. Woman may be more aggressive, but they can't beat up a man. Men are stronger, this cannot be denied. A woman cannot beat up a man because a man could stop her.

Women slap, bite, kick, because it's a show of extreme frustration. All a guy has to do is hold her arms and he's good.

Are things different today? Are guys as strong as gals??

Also, women have a different nature than men. That's why they throw things and men, instead, just beat them up.

A slap. It's one thing if a woman slaps a man. She might be extremely hurt or upset. If a man slaps a woman, he'll throw her to the ground.

I'm sorry if you don't agree, I do know there are exceptions and I do know some men are abused. Then we'd have to discuss the abused spouse syndrome--why they stay, why they think it's their fault, etc.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Men are stronger and are more dangerous toward the woman.

 

[Free]

Free,
We could go on forever. If I'm going to be true to myself, I can't agree with you.

About what, exactly? That men aren't abused or incapable of being abused? One of the facts I presented or all of the facts? There are a number of things I said.

If we're going to say that "women shouldn't be firemen because they're not as strong" then we have to carry this through to home violence too.

In what way? How does strength have any bearing on who can be an abuser? Are you seriously suggesting that the stereotype "women shouldn't be firemen because they're not as strong," means that "women can't physically abuse men because they're not as strong"? It seems that that is what you are saying but that is seriously fallacious.

(And there are female firefighters, by the way.)

Look at your list.

Yes, please look at the list. Those are facts based on research.

Woman may be more aggressive, but they can't beat up a man. Men are stronger, this cannot be denied. A woman cannot beat up a man because a man could stop her.

The facts and logic prove this sexist idea false. That a man may be able to stop a woman from beating him up is irrelevant to the fact that she is beating him up. Since when does the possible ability of being able to stop someone from beating oneself up, mean that it isn't abuse?

And not that this has any bearing on the matter, but there are women that are as strong and stronger than a good number of men. Women can, and do, beat up men.

Women slap, bite, kick, because it's a show of extreme frustration. All a guy has to do is hold her arms and he's good.

Oh, is that all he has to do? Frustration? No, it's abuse, no different than a man hitting a woman. Do you see how sexist your statements are, and that they are based on stereotypes?

Are things different today? Are guys as strong as gals??

This is irrelevant as to whether or not a man is being abused by a woman.

Also, women have a different nature than men. That's why they throw things and men, instead, just beat them up.

Is throwing things not abuse? What about "slap, kick, bite, or punch, and hit with an object"?

A slap. It's one thing if a woman slaps a man. She might be extremely hurt or upset. If a man slaps a woman, he'll throw her to the ground.

This is sexist also.

I'm sorry if you don't agree, I do know there are exceptions and I do know some men are abused. Then we'd have to discuss the abused spouse syndrome--why they stay, why they think it's their fault, etc.

Perhaps you overlooked the facts I gave. It is far more than just "exceptions." And this is just one type of abuse.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Men are stronger and are more dangerous toward the woman.

You are addressing an argument I didn't make. Yes, generally speaking men are stronger than women and cause more damage when they abuse their partner. But that doesn't necessarily mean that men are more dangerous. Again, look at the facts I gave.

Your attitude towards the matter and the stereotypes you have based it on, are one of the reasons why abuse to men continues to be ignored or significantly downplayed.

 

[Bull of the Woods]

I would have to being attacked by a strange woman before I would hit one and then would prefer to try some kind of hold to stop it. Or maybe just run away. Mostly I try to stay on everyone's good side, male and female. Hitting a woman is very low and to be avoided at virtually all cost.
My father is dead now but I would feel his shame if I ever hit a woman.
I have been married 38 years. My wife knows she is safe with me.

 

[Christ_empowered]

i dont think id hit a woman, if i could avoid it. if for whatever reason a woman hit me, id probably try to get away and not go back near her, ever again. im not saying men cannot hit back or that men should be punished if they do hit back, but i am saying....personally, id do what i could to just walk away.

 

[LovethroughDove]

When I was mad I used to like to throw things. One time I was so mad at my husband I threw a phone at him (near him). :neutral And I've never seen such anger from him. The phone pelted him and he came raging at me and pushed me against a wall and "looked" like I was going to get decked. I know 100% I would've lost ALL respect for him if he would've punched me (it looked like he was gonna do it in my face).

 

[GodsGrace]

About what, exactly? That men aren't abused or incapable of being abused? One of the facts I presented or all of the facts? There are a number of things I said.


In what way? How does strength have any bearing on who can be an abuser? Are you seriously suggesting that the stereotype "women shouldn't be firemen because they're not as strong," means that "women can't physically abuse men because they're not as strong"? It seems that that is what you are saying but that is seriously fallacious.

(And there are female firefighters, by the way.)


Yes, please look at the list. Those are facts based on research.


The facts and logic prove this sexist idea false. That a man may be able to stop a woman from beating him up is irrelevant to the fact that she is beating him up. Since when does the possible ability of being able to stop someone from beating oneself up, mean that it isn't abuse?

And not that this has any bearing on the matter, but there are women that are as strong and stronger than a good number of men. Women can, and do, beat up men.


Oh, is that all he has to do? Frustration? No, it's abuse, no different than a man hitting a woman. Do you see how sexist your statements are, and that they are based on stereotypes?


This is irrelevant as to whether or not a man is being abused by a woman.


Is throwing things not abuse? What about "slap, kick, bite, or punch, and hit with an object"?


This is sexist also.


Perhaps you overlooked the facts I gave. It is far more than just "exceptions." And this is just one type of abuse.


You are addressing an argument I didn't make. Yes, generally speaking men are stronger than women and cause more damage when they abuse their partner. But that doesn't necessarily mean that men are more dangerous. Again, look at the facts I gave.

Your attitude towards the matter and the stereotypes you have based it on, are one of the reasons why abuse to men continues to be ignored or significantly downplayed.

I guess you could post on how women abuse men.
But we're NEVER going to agree on this.
Men rape women.
Women can't rape a man.
(normally)

 

[GodsGrace]

When I was mad I used to like to throw things. One time I was so mad at my husband I threw a phone at him (near him). :neutral And I've never seen such anger from him. The phone pelted him and he came raging at me and pushed me against a wall and "looked" like I was going to get decked. I know 100% I would've lost ALL respect for him if he would've punched me (it looked like he was gonna do it in my face).

You're really cute!

 

[WinterPuma]

Why is hitting back a woman considered despicable: and aberration! And she can use her fists and tongue on you as much as she likes. You are considered ungentle if you do as little as give her a nudge. You may even end up behind the bar.

I saw a video where the guys returned befitting punches (not overly given - but the size of the woman).

I saw the horror on their faces. They were like: did he really do that, and even re-attacked the guys only to be hit again - the assurance that he wasn't kidding either.

Now these guys have lost their gentility and respect and should be considered bullies and villains?

And a Jesus guy would be that which turns the other face to receive more punches even if the head has to get forcefully lacerated?

I worked with a guy who's gf was nuts. No kidding, the chic was daft and suffered from explosive rage disorder.
He didn't know this when they met because she never showed it until they moved in together and he came home late after work. She imagined he was having an affair.
Long story short, she attacks him with a knife and he knocks her out to save his own life.
No problem.

There's a difference between domestic violence and self defense. Gender shouldn't matter in either case.

 

[WinterPuma]

I guess you could post on how women abuse men.
But we're NEVER going to agree on this.
Men rape women.
Women can't rape a man.
(normally)

Normally? Please elaborate on what you mean by that.

 

[LovethroughDove]

You're really cute!

 

[GodsGrace]

Normally? Please elaborate on what you mean by that.

No sirree bob.
You figure it out.

 

[Free]

I guess you could post on how women abuse men.

Or, you could answer my questions and address my points one-by-one, as they are given. Not to mention that at least one of those facts I gave shows some ways that women physically abuse men. And that's just the physical abuse.

But we're NEVER going to agree on this.

Why not, especially when I have given scientific facts and you have given unsupported opinion? If your opinion isn't based on truth and reality, why hold to it as though true?

Men rape women.

Which is irrelevant to the issue that women abuse men.

Women can't rape a man.
(normally)

And yet, it happens: http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl..._reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html

 

[GodsGrace]

Yeah. Ok.
but you're still cute!!

 

[GodsGrace]

Or, you could answer my questions and address my points one-by-one, as they are given. Not to mention that at least one of those facts I gave shows some ways that women physically abuse men. And that's just the physical abuse.


Why not, especially when I have given scientific facts and you have given unsupported opinion? If your opinion isn't based on truth and reality, why hold to it as though true?


Which is irrelevant to the issue that women abuse men.


And yet, it happens: http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl..._reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html

I guess it's all opinion Free.
I'm not going to argue this.
MEN ARE STRONGER THAN WOMEN and can protect themselves better.
I don't need stats.
If you don't agree, that's ok.
I'm NOT going through your list one by one.
Sorry.
If it had to do with salvation issues, I would.

 

[WinterPuma]

No sirree bob.
You figure it out.

Not my problem. If you don't know what you're talking about no one else is obligated to think for you.