Homosexuality and Obesity?

[Rick W]

I didn't expect you to understand sex as a union, two become one, as biblical doctrine. Eating has nothing to do with this union. Sex does. The ramifications and doctrines are totally different from one another. Yet, you insist on making the two alike... and they're not.

 

[AHIMSA]

See, you're not actually approaching the issue at all. You are simply stating that sex is different from eating, and more sacred. I would agree that there are many elements to sex that are considerably more 'sacred' than consuming food. But because sex is of a different nature does not exclude obesity as a sin, with many similar points as to how misuing sex would be a sin.

Are you saying that there is no sinful act involved in destroying one's own body over an extended period of time? That prizing pleasure over the "vessel of the Holy Spirit" is not wrong?

 

[Rick W]

You can argue all you want. Sex is not like eating. There's much more at stake.
Sorry.

 

[AHIMSA]

You can argue all you want. Sex is not like eating. There's much more at stake.
Sorry.

...well I'm convinced. :o

You still haven't answered the question. Don't even think about sex, I'm just asking you:

Are you saying that there is no sinful act involved in destroying one's own body over an extended period of time? That prizing pleasure over the "vessel of the Holy Spirit" is not wrong?

 

[Rick W]

You're beating a dead horse AHIMSA. I don't agree with your analogies or comparisons enough to even continue this farce.

Cya
:smt039

 

[Drew]

Greeting AHIMSA:

I think your argument is basically sound - Christians do turn a blind eye to obesity when its causes lie in indulging a "lust of the flesh", just as can be the case for those who sin sexually. I think that the Scriptures speak against both homosexual behaviour and over-eating. While I am no fundamentalist, I do think that generally the Scriptures do reflect the mind of God.

I think you will find that many Christians will vociferously try to defend certain sins that have gained wide acceptance. Obesity is one and being wealthy is another. You may wish to check out the discussion on "wealth" in the following thread:

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... sc&start=0

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

I think you will find that many Christians will vociferously try to defend certain sins that have gained wide acceptance.

You are correct. Yet again the consequences of the fallen state of man are being shown. In any event, both obesity and homosexuality should be looked at and not condoned. I must say, however; it should be noted that obesity is not always due to over indulgences of foodâ€â€as you may be aware for some individuals obesity is due to a glandular problems (of course this causation is indeed rare).

I think that at any rate both homosexuals and those who struggle with obesity should be loved and dealt with in an uplifting manor. It is my personal opinion that ‘the church’ (The body of Christ which includes all denominations that believe in the essential doctrine) is failing in its dealing with such sins as homosexuality. ‘The church,†should take after scripture and deal with sin in a loving manor but unfortunately it is for the most part mostly acting like a ‘judgment center.’ Love and building up should be the backdrop of a person who is correcting another. After all God alone has the right to judge.

I want to close by saying that even though Christians are not to judge that does not mean they should ignore, tolerate, or condone sin. A Christian *IS* to correct another of sin but such action must be done in accordance with scripture and scripture clearly instructs us to correct with Love.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Thanks Nocturnal ...nice post.

 

[Drew]

Well said Nocturnal....

 

[nexuscrawler]

While I am not a believer that there is anything wrong with homosexuality I respect your post Nocturnal. All too many Christians seem to think it's thier job to "fix" everyone else. One of Jesus' main points seems to have been tolerance. Yes you are suppsoed to spread the scripture and convert people to Christainity but you are not suppsoed to purposely hurt people in the process. Spread your bleiefs is as simple as having a conversation with someone. Let them know what you think and then the ball in thier court. Being hateful or disprespectful is not Christian and accomplishes nothing but making that person less receptive in the future.

 

[SputnikBoy]

While I am not a believer that there is anything wrong with homosexuality I respect your post Nocturnal. All too many Christians seem to think it's their job to "fix" everyone else. One of Jesus' main points seems to have been tolerance. Yes you are supposed to spread the scripture and convert people to Christianity but you are not supposed to purposely hurt people in the process. Spread your beliefs is as simple as having a conversation with someone. Let them know what you think and then the ball is in their court. Being hateful or disrespectful is not Christian and accomplishes nothing but making that person less receptive in the future.

You could not have spoken truer words, nexus. Thanks.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

One of Jesus' main points seems to have been tolerance.

Just curious, how do you define tolerance.

Yes you are suppsoed to spread the scripture and convert people to Christainity but you are not suppsoed to purposely hurt people in the process.

Actually Christians are only to witness. The conversion part is entirely left up to Godâ€â€check out 1 Corinthians 3:1-7.

Yes Spread your bleiefs is as simple as having a conversation with someone. Let them know what you think and then the ball in thier court. Being hateful or disprespectful is not Christian and accomplishes nothing but making that person less receptive in the future.

So true, in fact a great man by the name J.I. Packer said the following:

Forcing tactics can only do damage, perhaps incalculable damage, to men's souls . . . Evangelism must rather be conceived as a long-term enterprise of patient teaching and instruction, in which God's servants seek simply to be faithful in delivering the gospel message and applying it to human lives, and leave it to God's Spirit to draw men to faith through this message in his own way and at his own speed.
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Quote by:
J.I. Packer (b. 1926)
from “A Quest For Godliness."
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[bibleberean]

1 Corinthians 6:16-19 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

1 Corinthians 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

1 Corinthians 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Love can be tough...

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye batards, and not sons.

 

[AHIMSA]

Great BB, because we needed to hear that AGAIN...

 

[bibleberean]

Great BB, because we needed to hear that AGAIN...

You are quite welcome...

Glad to help you out.

I am glad you can never hear the scriptures enough.

Thanks for the encouragement. :D

 

[Dave...]

Excuse (def.) --suggests trying to justify a mistake or failure or to make it seem less serious, in order to escape being blamed or punished... something said to explain an offense or failure.

 

[Dave...]

Proverbs 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

Proverbs 16:2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.

Proverbs 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.

Proverbs 19:3 The foolishness of man perverteth his way: and his heart fretteth against the LORD.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

 

[Drew]

Excuse (def.) --suggests trying to justify a mistake or failure or to make it seem less serious, in order to escape being blamed or punished... something said to explain an offense or failure.

Who is this directed to?

It may apply to others than for whom you intended it.....

(I am not necessarily askng for an answer - my question is really rhetorical).

 

[Dave...]

Who is this directed to?

I haven't read the whole thread. I'm guessing that some people are trying to justify homosexuality by pointing out how common other sin is. Am I off target?

 

[bibleberean]

Who is this directed to?

I haven't read the whole thread. I'm guessing that some people are trying to justify homosexuality by pointing out how common other sin is. Am I off target?

I think there are some here that are doing just that.

In fact I would say if there was a target you "hit the bullseye". :D