Homosexuality and Obesity?

[peace4all]

Everyone eats more than enough to survive...

tell tat to the millions of peopel that starve to death each year. I bet that they will just take your word for it.

 

[bibleberean]

Everyone eats more than enough to survive...

tell tat to the millions of peopel that starve to death each year. I bet that they will just take your word for it.

That is neither here nor there.

Starving to death because of lack of food doens't mean that these poor souls haven't eaten more than they needed to survive under better circumstances or wouldn't eat more if the food was available.

I wouldn't tell someone who is starving to death something that insensitive.

Eating more than we need to stay funcional is not necessarily a sin. Eating to a gross extreme is...

But homosexual perversion cannot be practiced at all.

 

[peace4all]

well, what exactly would be homosexual perversion? obviously intercorse is, but waht about holding hands, light kissing, flirting? enjoying the same sex's company more than the other, possibly gettign aroused?

 

[bibleberean]

well, what exactly would be homosexual perversion? obviously intercorse is, but waht about holding hands, light kissing, flirting? enjoying the same sex's company more than the other, possibly gettign aroused?

I am not going to draw you a picture ... :roll:


homosexuality

Main Entry:
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being homosexual
2 : erotic activity with another of the same sex

 

[Dave...]

No where have I claimed that the homosexual lifestyle and the obese lifestyle are the same.

I didn't have time to read your whole post, AHIMSA, i'll catch up tomorrow. I thought that it was important to add some things to the discussion right now.

They are very different, and should be approached differently in most cases. If you look around on this forum, you'll see that nobody is promoting gluttony. But just about every other day we have threads started about homosexuality and usually, the discussions go the same after the new angle is exposed. This is mostly why discussions on homosexuality are prevalent on this forum over obesity. The reason that these discussions usually get a lot of attention is that thir is a lot of misinformation out there on this topic. So we educate through reasoning and the truth of God's Word. Most of these discussion on homosexuality are a response by Christians to misinformations given, whether intentional or not.

 

[bibleberean]

But just about every other day we have threads started about homosexuality and usually, the discussions go the same after the new angle is exposed.

Good points Dave.

That is the absolute truth.

After the "new angle is exposed". Amen!

 

[itoldyounoalready]

Okay BB, I get your point but I think you're adding alot of you're own bias into this also, to [b]you[/b] it is a very sick sin, to God it is sin, and sin just the same, you yourself make it seem as though homosexuals burn in hell with no hope whatsoever, let's all just go in a mob of people and burn, stab and torch them all, they're an abomination to society.
Use your head, not your emotions in your argument it takes away from your post.

 

[bibleberean]

Okay BB, I get your point but I think you're adding alot of you're own bias into this also, to [b]you[/b] it is a very sick sin, to God it is sin, and sin just the same, you yourself make it seem as though homosexuals burn in hell with no hope whatsoever, let's all just go in a mob of people and burn, stab and torch them all, they're an abomination to society.
Use your head, not your emotions in your argument it takes away from your post.

I have never advocated getting a mob together to "burn, stab or torch homosexuals.

What I have stated is what the bible states and the bible states that homosexuality is a vile sin.

It is an abomination before a Holy God.

The bible has very strong words against it.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

This sin is not like eating too much food at Thanksgiving.

I do not hate homosexuals and I am not being emotional about it.

I am simply repeating what God's word states.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

As long as this sin is being touted as no different than any other sin I will be repeating these scriptures.

Sin is sin and some sins are worse than others.

Running a stop sign is against the law and so is rape and armed robbery.

I guarantee you that running a stop sign is not as bad as rape in God's eyes.

Both are sins but I would rather be punished for running a stop sign than committing armed robbery.

 

[AHIMSA]

Isn't all sin vile?

 

[bibleberean]

Isn't all sin vile?

Some sin is more vile than others.

Is torturing and maiming someone as vile as eating too many cheeseburgers?

Here is a biblical example...

John 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

But no matter how great the sin God will forgive a broken and contrite heart.

Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

I don't want anyone to think that God will not forgive any sin.

He will. We need to turn to Him with all our hearts and ask Him for strength to overcome our weakness and proclivity towards sin.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

God will forgive us. He will forgive anyone.

Heaven rejoices over a sinner who repents no matter what that sin is...

Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

God loves us and is long suffering towards us. He will cleanse the thief the drunk the liar the homosexual the whoremonger the drug addict.

Why should we neglect to turn to a God who was willing to die for us.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

There is hope for us all through the grace of God or I know I won't be in heaven.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Some sins are worse than others but the wages of all sin is death...

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I would encourage anyone who has not repented and believed the gospel to turn to Christ while there is still time.

There is a grand future to those who turn to Jesus.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

This life is a vapour consider Christ and His love.

In His service,

Robert

 

[AHIMSA]

Okay BB, then where does homosexuality stand on the list of serious sins? Near the top? Above murder? Below? Akin to torture? Above lying? Stealing? I'd just like to know.

 

[bibleberean]

Okay BB, then where does homosexuality stand on the list of serious sins? Near the top? Above murder? Below? Akin to torture? Above lying? Stealing? I'd just like to know.

It is a very serious sin and has always been.

It is a sin that needs to be turned away from...

But no matter how great the sin God will forgive a broken and contrite heart.

Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

I don't want anyone to think that God will not forgive any sin.

He will. We need to turn to Him with all our hearts and ask Him for strength to overcome our weakness and proclivity towards sin.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

God will forgive us. He will forgive anyone.

Heaven rejoices over a sinner who repents no matter what that sin is...

Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

God loves us and is long suffering towards us. He will cleanse the thief the drunk the liar the homosexual the whoremonger the drug addict.

Why should we neglect to turn to a God who was willing to die for us.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

There is hope for us all through the grace of God or I know I won't be in heaven.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Some sins are worse than others but the wages of all sin is death...

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I would encourage anyone who has not repented and believed the gospel to turn to Christ while there is still time.

There is a grand future to those who turn to Jesus.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

This life is a vapour consider Christ and His love.

In His service,

Robert

Don't spend time trying to rank evil spend time leaving it behind...

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Don't make excuses make peace with God...

 

[destiny]

I think Drew has hit the nail on the head in regards to the mentality of fundamentalism. What is sought in fundamentalism is essentially an easy way out. We look for those "one-liners" to circumvent any serious reflection and contemplation. Scripture becomes a handbook for judgement.

What I also think underscores this mentality, as can be clearly seen in this forum, is a need to be divisive. Many fundamentalists don't know any gay people, or do not take the time to get to know them. It's an "us" v.s "them" scenario, so its easy to condmen, to judge and to elevate homosexuality as the most terrible sin of them all. Yet when it comes to obesity these divisive lines are not so clearly drawn. Perhaps you have obese people at your church, in your bible group, perhaps its you. Suddenly its not so clear as us" v.s "them" because its become personal, it hits home.

Ahimsa,
My problem on this forum has never been with those who are struggling with homosexuality, my problems are only with those who come along and try to teach us why God condones it.
Being a sinner who has found herself in more traps of bondage than I care to list, I know God can set a person free who is trapped in homosexuality.
Heres the reason I can't judge you: God knows the circumstances in your life that brought you to this place...I don't. He knows all the inner workings and outer circumstances that cause us to settle for what we feel is the only place we have to go.
I've found myself in alot of trouble with God since i've been saved because of my own self will, almost to the point of completely turning my back on Him. I have actually at times loved certain sins more than him. I can't even begin to tell you how miserable I was in those times.
One thing I learned is I can never no matter how much effort I give it, clean myself up in order to get right with God, I always had to go to Him and ask Him to clean me up.
I won't lie, it is a process and it isn't any fun....and it's still not.
To tell you the truth, I think I struggle worse than the average person because of my will.
I probably have more unsaved friends than I do saved, one of my best friends is a lesbian. (NO, i've never been one, for those inquiring minds) We grew up living right across the street together, her younger sister was my best friend who died in 2003 from an overdose of oxycontin. My frienship isn't based on trying to evangelize, I genuinly love her because of who I know her to be.
I know that shes miserable, she doesn't promote what shes doing as right. But she is so emotionally bound to the woman she lives with until she can't fathom getting out.
When she's really down she calls me and we both talk about the Lord..only when she wants to, I let her bring it up.
I look at her and I know God is able and willing to give her a better life because of what he's done for me.
If I didn't believe that, I would tell people to live as they are and make the best of it....God is good, and he is a deliverer just like his word says. I have lived in sin and thought I would never get out, the only thing I can take any credit for is asking Him to clean me up. He did the rest....and believe me he's still doing it.
I'm not sharing this for debate or a pat on the back, all i'm doing is allowing a little transparency into my own life.
I won't lie, I hope i'm the catalyst in bringing my unsaved friends to Jesus some day.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Okay BB, then where does homosexuality stand on the list of serious sins? Near the top? Above murder? Below? Akin to torture? Above lying? Stealing? I'd just like to know.

Okay AHIMSA, I'm not into condoning or condemning here but I think your question warrants an answer. You've no doubt been reminded many times that God considers homosexuality an abomination ...right? Were you also aware that:

God finds it an abomination when a man marries a woman he previously divorced when, during the interim, she married someone else and was therefore defiled (Deuteronomy 24:1-4)?

That coveting the gold or silver from the images of graven images is an abomination to the Lord your God (Deuteronomy 7:25)?

That serving God and money is an abomination in God's sight (Luke 16:15)?

That meaningless offerings and incense is an abomination to the Lord (Isaiah 1:13)?

That eating the flesh of pigs, i.e. bacon, pork, ham, is an abomination to the Lord (Isaiah 66:17)?

That eating meat with blood still in it, i.e. hamburgers, steaks, etc., is an abomination to the Lord (Ezekiel 33:25)?

There are many more examples in the Bible pertaining to areas that are an abomination to the Lord your God. Homosexuality (or the generally accepted scriptural definition of the word) is but one of many 'abominations'. I guess we could in all fairness start a thread as to how we Christians should be doing far more to stamp out McDonalds, Wendys, Sizzlers and other scriptural evil-doers. My point is that we run with our own 'cherished abominations' while ignoring others.

 

[Solo]

I think Drew has hit the nail on the head in regards to the mentality of fundamentalism. What is sought in fundamentalism is essentially an easy way out. We look for those "one-liners" to circumvent any serious reflection and contemplation. Scripture becomes a handbook for judgement.

What I also think underscores this mentality, as can be clearly seen in this forum, is a need to be divisive. Many fundamentalists don't know any gay people, or do not take the time to get to know them. It's an "us" v.s "them" scenario, so its easy to condmen, to judge and to elevate homosexuality as the most terrible sin of them all. Yet when it comes to obesity these divisive lines are not so clearly drawn. Perhaps you have obese people at your church, in your bible group, perhaps its you. Suddenly its not so clear as us" v.s "them" because its become personal, it hits home.

Ahimsa,
My problem on this forum has never been with those who are struggling with homosexuality, my problems are only with those who come along and try to teach us why God condones it.
Being a sinner who has found herself in more traps of bondage than I care to list, I know God can set a person free who is trapped in homosexuality.
Heres the reason I can't judge you: God knows the circumstances in your life that brought you to this place...I don't. He knows all the inner workings and outer circumstances that cause us to settle for what we feel is the only place we have to go.
I've found myself in alot of trouble with God since i've been saved because of my own self will, almost to the point of completely turning my back on Him. I have actually at times loved certain sins more than him. I can't even begin to tell you how miserable I was in those times.
One thing I learned is I can never no matter how much effort I give it, clean myself up in order to get right with God, I always had to go to Him and ask Him to clean me up.
I won't lie, it is a process and it isn't any fun....and it's still not.
To tell you the truth, I think I struggle worse than the average person because of my will.
I probably have more unsaved friends than I do saved, one of my best friends is a lesbian. (NO, i've never been one, for those inquiring minds) We grew up living right across the street together, her younger sister was my best friend who died in 2003 from an overdose of oxycontin. My frienship isn't based on trying to evangelize, I genuinly love her because of who I know her to be.
I know that shes miserable, she doesn't promote what shes doing as right. But she is so emotionally bound to the woman she lives with until she can't fathom getting out.
When she's really down she calls me and we both talk about the Lord..only when she wants to, I let her bring it up.
I look at her and I know God is able and willing to give her a better life because of what he's done for me.
If I didn't believe that, I would tell people to live as they are and make the best of it....God is good, and he is a deliverer just like his word says. I have lived in sin and thought I would never get out, the only thing I can take any credit for is asking Him to clean me up. He did the rest....and believe me he's still doing it.
I'm not sharing this for debate or a pat on the back, all i'm doing is allowing a little transparency into my own life.
I won't lie, I hope i'm the catalyst in bringing my unsaved friends to Jesus some day.

Destiny,
Your honesty comes from a renewed heart brought on by repentance, belief, and following the Lord Jesus.
Thank you for being so succinct in explaining the position of a loving Christian.
Michael

 

[J6o7h8n3]

Ahimsa,
My problem on this forum has never been with those who are struggling with homosexuality, my problems are only with those who come along and try to teach us why God condones it.
Being a sinner who has found herself in more traps of bondage than I care to list, I know God can set a person free who is trapped in homosexuality.
Heres the reason I can't judge you: God knows the circumstances in your life that brought you to this place...I don't. He knows all the inner workings and outer circumstances that cause us to settle for what we feel is the only place we have to go.
I've found myself in alot of trouble with God since i've been saved because of my own self will, almost to the point of completely turning my back on Him. I have actually at times loved certain sins more than him. I can't even begin to tell you how miserable I was in those times.
One thing I learned is I can never no matter how much effort I give it, clean myself up in order to get right with God, I always had to go to Him and ask Him to clean me up.
I won't lie, it is a process and it isn't any fun....and it's still not.
To tell you the truth, I think I struggle worse than the average person because of my will.
I probably have more unsaved friends than I do saved, one of my best friends is a lesbian. (NO, i've never been one, for those inquiring minds) We grew up living right across the street together, her younger sister was my best friend who died in 2003 from an overdose of oxycontin. My frienship isn't based on trying to evangelize, I genuinly love her because of who I know her to be.
I know that shes miserable, she doesn't promote what shes doing as right. But she is so emotionally bound to the woman she lives with until she can't fathom getting out.
When she's really down she calls me and we both talk about the Lord..only when she wants to, I let her bring it up.
I look at her and I know God is able and willing to give her a better life because of what he's done for me.
If I didn't believe that, I would tell people to live as they are and make the best of it....God is good, and he is a deliverer just like his word says. I have lived in sin and thought I would never get out, the only thing I can take any credit for is asking Him to clean me up. He did the rest....and believe me he's still doing it.
I'm not sharing this for debate or a pat on the back, all i'm doing is allowing a little transparency into my own life.

Amen, I can relate to this very well and do agree.

 

[James1990]

Being over weight is not necessarily a sin but could be the result of sin.

Practicing sexual perversion with the same sex is always a sin and that cannot ever be said enough.

Everyone eats more than enough to survive...

Any homosexual perversion it too much...

Definately practising sexual perversion with the same-sex is a sin, but is it not a sin with the opposite sex too?

You don't seem to grasp that Homosexuals are people with feelings too, not pure machines of homo-erotic lust.

Since its inception, the term homosexuality has acquired multiple meanings. In the original sense, it refers to a sexual orientation characterised by a lasting aesthetic attraction, romantic love, and sexual desire exclusively for members of the same sex or gender identity.

See, i can bring out definitions too.
You don't seem to grasp the notion that romantic love is not exclusively restricted to
heterosexuals.

Oh and finally.

Finally, it can refer to sexual relations with another of the same sex regardless of one's sexual orientation, self-identification or gender identity.

See?
Hetero's can be perverse too.
--------------------------------
What the point i'm trying to pass to you is that, to you and many others,
that homosexuality is not just about having intercourse with another man,
it's the ability to love that man, someone who sleeps with a man or a woman with no understanding of love,
is, to be frank, promiscuous, and promiscous behavior is not limited to one group of people.

I hope you can grasp my points, i'm not the best at phrasing =S
James

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[Rick W]

At this point, however; I don't see anyone flat-out promoting homosexuality. One thing is for certain, some interesting points are being brought up and all of us Christians should take a step back and consider what has been discussed thus far and then pray about it.

So far I have come to the following conclusion:
Homosexuality is a sin that must be dealt with in a loving uplifting manner. Obesity is not really a sin so to speak but over eating is most certainly one. In any event, be it homosexuality or over eating both sins must and should (according to scripture) be dealt with in a loving and uplifting manner.

So far this is the best response I've seen in this thread... including my own.

 

[bibleberean]

Definately practising sexual perversion with the same-sex is a sin, but is it not a sin with the opposite sex too?

You don't seem to grasp that Homosexuals are people with feelings too, not pure machines of homo-erotic lust.

Having sex outside of marriage is a sin.

I don't know how many times I have posted this verse but the scriptures are the Christians criterion for truth.

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Do I realize that people of the opposite sex can practice perversion too?

Haven't you read any of my posts? Are does it really matter what I write?

Men and women can marry and their relationships are blessed and honored by God. Two men and two women do not have that option. It is an abomination before a holy God.

I love my brother and I hug him when I see him.

I have good men for friends and I feel deep affection for them.

I love animals and children too.

That doesn't mean that it needs to degenerate into perversion and that is what "same sex" is... perversion.

That is what God who knows everything and made all things declares in His word.

Claiming that we have "feelings" and "love" for other people doesn't excuse perversion.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

The bible plainly declares that we need to turn from sin and come to God on His terms.


1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

God will forgive and wash away the stain of sin for anyone. If a person chooses to remain in sin then that is their choice and they must reap the consequences.

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

It is wrong to come into this Christian forum knowing full well what the TOS states about homosexuality and then try to excuse it using emotion and diversion. .

In my opinion that is "promotion of homosexuality".

The excuse some people use is that "since I am not telling anyone to be homosexual so I am not promoting it" is an obvious lie.

 

[bibleberean]

One more thing...

A cry for help and understanding about a sin we are struggling with is one thing.

Crying to get a sin we are practicing condoned is another.

I am not buying it.