LovethroughDove
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Well, since I am the dove..............should I add comment?
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Well, since I am the dove..............should I add comment?
Lets set Jesus aside and look at the Spirit of God. As its "Father, Son and Holy Spirit"Man is a trinity (1 Thes. 5:23). God is three persons that are in complete harmony and purpose that they are as one.(John 10:29-31). Gen. 1:26 GOD says, Let US make man in OUR image in OUR likeness. In this verse, God is a plural (more than one) Noun....The God of the OT was Christ before His incarnation. (1 Cor. 10:1-5)
From the NT I have yet to view or convince my mind or understanding that the HS or Spirit of the Sovereign Lord or Spirit of truth is a distinct person, from the "Father"
Lets set Jesus aside and look at the Spirit of God. As its "Father, Son and Holy Spirit"
From the NT I have yet to view or convince my mind or understanding that the HS or Spirit of the Sovereign Lord or Spirit of truth is a distinct person, from the "Father" .
The Spirit Jesus sends He received from the Father. (Acts 2) As the Father promised He would pour out His Spirit in these last days. Jesus does speak of that Spirit as another. The Father does not.John was convinced the Spirit :
And he showed me the river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming out from the throne of God and of the LambRevelation 22:1 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 22:1&version=LEB
Cover to cover ... see Gen 1-2
Ask yourself; Is the “giving” of the Spirit as distinct as the giving of the Son?
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.1 John 4:14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 John 4:14&version=LEB
Seems clear enough that The Son is not The Father. So what about the Spirit???
the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’” Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.)John 7:38-39 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 7:38-39&version=LEB
So, is the Spirit distinct from either the Father or the Son??? Check
Is the Spirit personal???
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, in order that he may be with you forever — the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it does not see him or know him. You know him, because he resides with you and will be in you.John 14:16-17 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 14:16-17&version=LEB
Yep. Just as personal as The Father and The Son are, so is the Spirit. He advocates on His own as is known on His own.
So, is the Spirit personal??? Check
I'm not understanding how the trinity can be one God. How can three divine persons with three divine minds and three divine wills be one God? The Bible says that the Messiah must fear God. Jesus demonstrated this when he said the Father is greater than he is. How does that fit in with trinitarian theology? Thank you.
The Spirit Jesus sends He received from the Father. (Acts 2) As the Father promised He would pour out His Spirit in these last days. Jesus does speak of that Spirit as another. The Father does not.
Father=>"My Spirit"
Jesus=>for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
Jesus=>Spirit of truth
That Spirit is sent in Jesus name and therefore represents Christ Jesus in a believer just as that same Spirit represents the Father in Jesus.
Hi Randy, The Holy Spirit is a person, not an influence or an emanation. The Scripture refers to Him in word implying personality. John 14:16-17, 26. John 16:7-8; 13-15. He is called another comforter. The Holy Spirit is a divine Person, in the proper sense, Deity. He is called God. Compare Isa. 6:8-10 with Acts 28:25-27. Jer. 31:31-34 with Heb. 10:15-16; 8:8-12. Compare 2 Cor. 3:18 with Acts 5:3-4......The most convincing proof is receiving The Holy Spirit during regeneration. That should be proof enough for any born again believer..From the NT I have yet to view or convince my mind or understanding that the HS or Spirit of the Sovereign Lord or Spirit of truth is a distinct person, from the "Father" . Jesus has His own Spirit, Will and mind clearly shown in the NT. But what about the Spirit of God?
Hi Randy, The Holy Spirit is a person, not an influence or an emanation. The Scripture refers to Him in word implying personality. John 14:16-17, 26. John 16:7-8; 13-15. He is called another comforter. The Holy Spirit is a divine Person, in the proper sense, Deity. He is called God. Compare Isa. 6:8-10 with Acts 28:25-27. Jer. 31:31-34 with Heb. 10:15-16; 8:8-12. Compare 2 Cor. 3:18 with Acts 5:3-4......The most convincing proof is receiving The Holy Spirit during regeneration. That should be proof enough for any born again believer..
I just note the Father states "My Spirit" in regard to the HS.Randy, you are wrestling with a great issue not dissimilar to the question "who can bind the wind in his fists?"
We cannot separate one "person" of the Trinity from another any more than we can remove an arm or leg. We are one, God is One. Just like we can see distinctions between our own soul vs spirit in a limited way as revealed by God's Word, we can see distinctions between the Trinity in a limited way as revealed by His Word, and the INCARNATION
I just note the Father states "My Spirit" in regard to the HS.
Its One God the Father and One lord Jesus Christ and to Him who sits on the throne and to the lamb. Did they forget about the HS or was the HS covered in glorifying the Father?
So to me this was, (below scripture), from Jesus's will as Jesus is the head of the body of Christ.
While the HS did state this and its a truthful accounting He does not speak on His own but from what he hears.
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."
And the Spirit searches the mind of the Spirit or deep thoughts of God. As Paul wrote just as our spirit searches our minds and knows our thoughts. That does not suggest to me the Spirit has His own mind and will apart from God.
I just don't see a separate will or mind in the Spirit apart from God the Father. I do see that in Jesus.
Jesus even has His own spirit, "Father into your hands I commit My Spirit"
The HS is vast its in every believer all over the Face of the earth and ,most likely in the angels of God in heaven as well. And who knows where else. The Spirit of the living God.
So if the Spirit communicates the will of Jesus and the Father how do I see Him as a separate person? For I have had answers to prayer to Jesus and answers communicated to me via the Spirit. Jesus didn't need to come down from heaven and speak to me face to face. I shouldn't be alone in that as there are many believers. To me anything coming via the Spirit in speaking of Jesus in the third person is from the Father and any answer speaking otherwise is from the Son. (Jesus)
Examples
Jesus's answer to Paul "my grace is sufficient for you for My power is made perfect in weakness"
If from the Father "Jesus's grace is sufficient for you for His power is made perfect in weakness"
When acting as a witness for Jesus with pure motives. Not by our wisdom but by the power and words of the Spirit like Stephen who was stoned to death. Just like His Lord they didn't like His, (God's), answers. The words of the Father. Just as Jesus spoke from that same Spirit of the Father all that God commanded Him to speak and just how the Father wanted Him to state it. As Jesus stated His teaching was not His own and those words belonged to the Father.
Jesus knew this by experience=>Matt 10:20 ..for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your "Father" speaking through you.
I just don't see the HS introducing Himself to me like a separate person. I pray to Jesus and to the Father I don't pray to the Spirit.
In fact the Spirit prays for us.
In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people "in accordance with the will of God."
Now "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!"
Jesus is shown to have his own will in the NT.It goes deeper than you're saying here. Jesus doesn't have a will or mind separate from the Father, either; He and the Father are One. That doesn't mean He's not a separate person. Why apply a double standard to the Holy Spirit?
Although if you don't see it, I think that's inconsequential. This is not Salvific, we don't gain eternal life by our own understanding. And hallelujah for that!
Yes, God the Son maintains perfect harmony with God the Father. When one is honored, all are honored. Within Trinitarien theology, our God is one.Jesus is shown to have his own will in the NT.
“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
By obedience to the Fathers will.Yes, God the Son maintains perfect harmony with God the Father. When one is honored, all are honored. Within Trinitarien theology, our God is one.
I'm unsure of what your trying to say?By obedience to the Fathers will.
“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love
Jesus didn't say come to do our will.
Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’
Jesus was set apart as The Fathers Son before the incarnation
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?
I wanted to focus on the Spirit of God. The Spirit the Father calls His own as in "My Spirit"
I have no doubt the Fathers very own Spirit is Divine and eternal and God and acts according to the will of the mind of the Spirit.