How Close Do You Feel The End Times Are?

[John 8:32]

There are plenty of false 'Christs' in our day such as José Luis de Jesús whose followers tattoo 666 to themselves, Maitreya, and Jesus of Siberia who has written another of many false gospels. False prophets such as Joseph Smith and Benny Hinn have lead people astray.

Prophecy picks up faster each day, more so since the rebirth of Israel.

The United States has become a nation of promiscuity and simply puts Christianity on as a guise.

Rumors of War happen now, more and more this past century and during this current NK Missile crisis. We now have possibilities of nuclear wars. (Zechariah 14:12?)

Is it true that fault lines have been found at the mountains that are supposed to split at the feet of the LORD?

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Or is this just normal every day findings?​

Since Jesus said that no one knows the day or hour, does that mean watching for signs is a redundant thing to do? Why give signs?​

Just because Jesus told the people of his day that no one knows the day and hour does not mean that we won't know when it is near even within a few days. He gave us signs and even said that he would return AFTER the tribulation of the last days...so to be specific maybe we won't know the exact day and hour but we will know within a few days. You asked why give signs. So we will know when he is return is near. Is Jesus coming back tomorrow? No. Is Jesus coming back within a few years? No. Don't believe me? Just watch and see.

There will come a time when one can know pretty close...

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Now this leaves us knowing within 3-1/2 days. are the 3-1/2 days their bodies lie in the streets contained within the 1260 days? Or are they the 3-1/2 days immediately after?

 

[Joe Domingo]

Just for the record. I am not speaking of sacrifices of any kind. What I am speaking of is Strong's 8548 tamiyd - the continual fire.
This is the fire that is used for daily sacrifices at the Temple. But I believe Daniel is being very specific here because he was speaking of the continual fire that must not be put out. This fire was put out when the temple was destroyed in both Solomon's and the second Temple. It remains put out till this very day. There simply is no continual fire today. That fire was put out for it's very last time when the second Temple was destroyed by the Romans. Then later on a Mosque was erected on the threshing floor of Jehu in place of the Holy of Holies. The Mosque causes the Lord's Holy Mount to remain desolate of his Temple. Hopefully this helps explain my position and better yet my Biblical Timeline which is linked in my signature. I was never speaking of sacrifices. Perhaps I was not clear enough before.

 

[Hope of glory]

Question....
When you say "end times" are you referring the "last days"?
Are these 2 expressions synonymous in your mind?

 

[digging]

Question,

Has anyone considered that the 'temple fire' was a type for the full restoration gift of the holy spirit, since it was shown as tougues of fire over the believers?

Digging

 

[Joe Domingo]

Question,

Has anyone considered that the 'temple fire' was a type for the full restoration gift of the holy spirit, since it was shown as tougues of fire over the believers?

Digging

It does not occur to me that that is what Daniel is talking about. I call that a "reach".

Edit: But ... I feel you on the whole metaphysical thing

 

[John 8:32]

Just for the record. I am not speaking of sacrifices of any kind. What I am speaking of is Strong's 8548 tamiyd - the continual fire.
This is the fire that is used for daily sacrifices at the Temple. But I believe Daniel is being very specific here because he was speaking of the continual fire that must not be put out. This fire was put out when the temple was destroyed in both Solomon's and the second Temple. It remains put out till this very day. There simply is no continual fire today. That fire was put out for it's very last time when the second Temple was destroyed by the Romans. Then later on a Mosque was erected on the threshing floor of Jehu in place of the Holy of Holies. The Mosque causes the Lord's Holy Mount to remain desolate of his Temple. Hopefully this helps explain my position and better yet my Biblical Timeline which is linked in my signature. I was never speaking of sacrifices. Perhaps I was not clear enough before.

For sacrifices to be performed do we need that continual fire?

 

[Pizzaguy]

As far as what I feel about the signs, well, it's something that I feel isn't worth a disproportionate amount of my time to study, so I'm no expert on it. I don't mean that to be belittling of those who have become experts on this by any means or to say it's not worth studying.

There are, from what I can tell, NO EXPERTS on this subject. I am 53 and became a Christian in 1977 and I have lost count of all of the predictions of the end... every one of them was WRONG.

Experts? It's easier to find a credible expert on what the weather will do next YEAR ....

All that the fake prophets and predictors have done, is discredit the very idea of an "end times".

 

[Eugene]

There are, from what I can tell, NO EXPERTS on this subject. I am 53 and became a Christian in 1977 and I have lost count of all of the predictions of the end... every one of them was WRONG.

Are you attempting to tell me that those who committed suicide to get on the Hale-Bopp Comet were wrong? Oh the humanity of it huh?

 

[farouk]

Whatever CNN and the newspapers may say from day to day, I believe that the church needs to be looking for the Lord's coming for His people, rather than to world events, and meanwhile continue to serve Him faithfully in the loving gospel to sinners.

 

[John 8:32]

Whatever CNN and the newspapers may say from day to day, I believe that the church needs to be looking for the Lord's coming for His people, rather than to world events, and meanwhile continue to serve Him faithfully in the loving gospel to sinners.

And I respectfully disagree...

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

How would we see these things?

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Watch for what?

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

How would one see the AoD? About the only way most in the USA could see it is on TV.

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Escape what things?

Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Luk 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
Luk 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
Luk 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
Luk 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Luk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

I think we should be watching world news and trends and the way we do that is CNN, newspapers and even Faux News.

 

[farouk]

Whatever CNN and the newspapers may say from day to day, I believe that the church needs to be looking for the Lord's coming for His people, rather than to world events, and meanwhile continue to serve Him faithfully in the loving gospel to sinners.

And I respectfully disagree...

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

How would we see these things?

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Watch for what?

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

How would one see the AoD? About the only way most in the USA could see it is on TV.

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Escape what things?

Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Luk 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
Luk 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
Luk 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
Luk 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Luk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

I think we should be watching world news and trends and the way we do that is CNN, newspapers and even Faux News.

I think it's necessary to distiguish between the Lord's coming for His saints at the rapture, and His coming with them in power and glory on the earth. Following through the various references and emphases in the New Testament, they are clearly distinct.

Also the tribulation principle needs to be distinguished from the Great Tribulation.

For the church now, however, it's a case of 'Even so, come Lord Jesus', and we meanwhile seek to serve Him by His grace.

 

[John 8:32]

Whatever CNN and the newspapers may say from day to day, I believe that the church needs to be looking for the Lord's coming for His people, rather than to world events, and meanwhile continue to serve Him faithfully in the loving gospel to sinners.

And I respectfully disagree...

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

How would we see these things?

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Watch for what?

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

How would one see the AoD? About the only way most in the USA could see it is on TV.

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Escape what things?

Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Luk 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
Luk 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
Luk 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
Luk 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Luk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

I think we should be watching world news and trends and the way we do that is CNN, newspapers and even Faux News.

I think it's necessary to distiguish between the Lord's coming for His saints at the rapture, and His coming with them in power and glory on the earth. Following through the various references and emphases in the New Testament, they are clearly distinct.

Also the tribulation principle needs to be distinguished from the Great Tribulation.

For the church now, however, it's a case of 'Even so, come Lord Jesus', and we meanwhile seek to serve Him by His grace.

According to whether one believes in a rapture. I do not.

 

[farouk]

According to whether one believes in a rapture. I do not.

John:

It simply refers to being 'caught up' in 1 Thessalonians 4.17.

But whatever we may claim to believe or not, as the case may be, the references can be followed through.

Blessings.

 

[Hope of glory]

We are not in the "end times" nor the "last days". Consider the "time element" in the following scriptures which talk about the "last days"
Heb.1:1-2
Acts2:15-17 (quoting Joel 2:28-32)
1pet.1:20
1pet.4:7
1john 2:18
Heb.9:26
1cor.10:11
Math24:3,34
Here we have 3 apostles stating that the "last days" the "last time" the "end of a things" and the "last days" was a period of time in which THEY lived. Read the above scriptures carefully and in context and you will find this to be true. The "last days" the scripture speaks of was the last days of the Mosiac age, the age of Judiasm. The Jewish age ended in 70ad when the entire mosaic economy was completely destroyed, "every element of that system was dissolved by fire" (2pet.3)
This is even true of the OT references to the "last" or "latter days", they all point to the ending of the Jewish age in 70ad which was the "day of the Lord".
Even Jesus, when he was asked when the "end of the age" would be (math24:3) told them that "the end" would come before that generation (this generation) has passed (math24:34)

The "last days" referred to the "end of the age" which Jesus said would come within a generation, and it did. This is very simple. We are so confused when it comes to "end times things". All the above scriptures were written prior to 70ad and their immanency reflects the immenent end of the jewish age which Jesus prophesied in 30ad and which came to pass 40yrs later.
We are not in the "end times"/"last days". The Kingdom of God was "set up" in the "latter days" just like Daniel the
prophet said it would be (dan2:28-44). There were only 4 kingdoms mentioned in the "image" (v40). The last kingdom was the Roman Empire. It was in the days of Rome (the last days according to Peter Paul and John) that the Kingdom of God was set up.
It's because of our "futuristic concept" of the last days that we add a 5th future kingdom to Daniels image that is not even mentioned in the text. I'm telling you, once our concept of the "end times" changes we can begin to come to the "unity of the faith" concerning the mystery of Christ and the gospel of the kingdom.
There is much more to say, but I would like some thought on what I have stared already.
Remember, look at the "historical time element" of these "last day" scriptures, we need to understand what time it is...my brothers, I promise you that we are not in any "end times".

 

[John 8:32]

According to whether one believes in a rapture. I do not.

John:

It simply refers to being 'caught up' in 1 Thessalonians 4.17.

But whatever we may claim to believe or not, as the case may be, the references can be followed through.

Blessings.

depends on how you see this. I see it as a part of the first resurrection at the return of Christ. The dead rise first, then those alive and remaining are 'caught up' into the clouds. Not a rapture to escape the GT. The GT is over when this happens.

 

[Grappler]

Whatever CNN and the newspapers may say from day to day, I believe that the church needs to be looking for the Lord's coming for His people, rather than to world events, and meanwhile continue to serve Him faithfully in the loving gospel to sinners.

And I respectfully disagree...

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

How would we see these things?

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Watch for what?

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

How would one see the AoD? About the only way most in the USA could see it is on TV.

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Escape what things?

Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Luk 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
Luk 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
Luk 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
Luk 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Luk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

I think we should be watching world news and trends and the way we do that is CNN, newspapers and even Faux News.

I think it's necessary to distiguish between the Lord's coming for His saints at the rapture, and His coming with them in power and glory on the earth. Following through the various references and emphases in the New Testament, they are clearly distinct.

Also the tribulation principle needs to be distinguished from the Great Tribulation.

For the church now, however, it's a case of 'Even so, come Lord Jesus', and we meanwhile seek to serve Him by His grace.

So there are two 2nd Comings???

 

[Joe Domingo]

So there are two 2nd Comings??? Goodness that makes no sense at all!

 

[Eugene]

So there are two 2nd Comings???

Wasn't there a first coming?
Is there a last trump?
Does the last trump mean there is only two trumps?

 

[Elijah674]

Acts 1
[9] And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
[10] And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
[11] Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Yet, who believe the two angels?

--Elijah

PS: To keep this on tract? Lets see how long TV has been around?

 

[Grappler]

So there are two 2nd Comings???

Wasn't there a first coming?
Is there a last trump?
Does the last trump mean there is only two trumps?

Exactly. I think it is silly that the return of Jesus is divided into two parts by some people. Don't you?