I'm thinking Matthew 24:15 is one place, but unless a person has at least a vague idea who this Antichrist is how would we know when he did it?
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How Close Do You Feel The End Times Are?
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27 And he shall confirm * zzthe covenant with amany for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, * and * for bthe overspreading of cabominations he shall make it desolate, deven until the consummation, and dthat determined eshall be poured * upon fthe desolate.
gLet no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, hexcept there come ia falling away first, and jthat man of sin be revealed, kthe son of perdition;
gLet no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, hexcept there come ia falling away first, and jthat man of sin be revealed, kthe son of perdition;
Well there was not a scripture posted that says
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That's what John said 2000 years ago
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Well there was not a scripture posted that says
This quote puts you in good companyThat's what John said 2000 years ago
The real issue is that the Man of Sin, the False Prophet, sits in the Temple claiming he is God...
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
If we continue to read further on the timeframe is revealed...
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Every church era has believed they were living in the end times. We think we are because of certain indications...
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
As has been thrashed to tears in other threads, this was not possible before the early 1950's. We also think we see six of the seven heads of the Beast have already arisen and fallen...
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
A mountain is a large nation or kingdom or government in prophecy...
Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
A hill is a smaller nation or government. We think the viewpoint of Revelation is around the time of Hitler/Mussolini, the one that is.
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Joe Domingo
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Just because Jesus told the people of his day that no one knows the day and hour does not mean that we won't know when it is near even within a few days. He gave us signs and even said that he would return AFTER the tribulation of the last days...so to be specific maybe we won't know the exact day and hour but we will know within a few days. You asked why give signs. So we will know when he is return is near. Is Jesus coming back tomorrow? No. Is Jesus coming back within a few years? No. Don't believe me? Just watch and see.
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Joe Domingo
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Jesus gave Daniel all that is needed to know when he returns.
The Dome of the Rock is an Abomination that makes Desolate because no one can worship Yahweh on the holy mount since 691ad. Also, 70 ad did indeed stop the daily sacrifice when the Temple was destroyed. These two are the pre-requisites needed to begin the 1290 and 1335 year count.
The Dome of the Rock is an Abomination that makes Desolate because no one can worship Yahweh on the holy mount since 691ad. Also, 70 ad did indeed stop the daily sacrifice when the Temple was destroyed. These two are the pre-requisites needed to begin the 1290 and 1335 year count.
What makes you think a temple is a prerequisite of the daily Sacrifice? Do you realize that even today certain ones have a sacrifice?
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Joe Domingo
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Do I realize....?
Ok let me explain the scripture...
Daniel 12:11
And from the timeH4480 H6256 that the dailyH8548 sacrifice shall be taken away,H5493 and the abominationH8251 that maketh desolateH8074 set up,H5414 there shall be a thousandH505 two hundredH3967 and ninetyH8673 days.H3117
Strongs 8548 tamiyd -
1) continuity, perpetuity, to stretch
a) continually, continuously
The Law of the Daily Sacrifice
Numbers 28:
And thou shalt sayH559 unto them, ThisH2088 is the offering made by fireH801 whichH834 ye shall offerH7126 unto the LORD;H3068 twoH8147 lambsH3532 of the firstH1121 yearH8141 without spotH8549 day by day,H3117 for a continualH8548 burnt offering.H5930
The Daily Sacrifice that Daniel is speaking of - is the continual burnt offering - the Tawmeed. It is a fire that must never go out day and night. Daniel is speaking of a very unique item - the continual fire the tawmeed Strong's 8548. This is specific to the Temple. No other kinds of sacrifices that you mention can qualify.
The continual fire was stopped three times recorded in scriptures. First time is when the 1st temple was destroyed. Second time is when Antiochus took over the Temple from the Jews to sacrifice to his pagan god. The third and final time was when the 2nd temple was destroyed.
There can be no Tawmeed without a Temple. The continual burnt offering at the Temple has ceased since 70ad.
Is there the possibility there was no validity to those sacrifices after Christ died in approximately 33ad, and yet am I to understand you're using 70ad as part of your timeline?
If there could be no sacrifice without the temple, why did they do so? Scripture says they did.
And then as I suggested before, even in the minds of Orthodox Judaism why do they have a manner of sacrifice today, or at least I'm told they do?
Thanks.
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Joe Domingo
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You're mixing apples and oranges.
Jesus is the Lamb of God, crucified and resurrected. his sacrifice atones for our sins continually. However, he did not stop the Daily Sacrifice. The Daily Sacrifice was stopped when the Temple was destroyed. The "validity" of the Daily Sacrifice after the Crucifixion has nothing to do with Daniel 12:11. Or, vice versa, the validity of Jesus sacrifice has nothing to do with the Daily Sacrifice. The Pharisees did not acknowledge the Crucifixion as a valid sacrifice for sins. Hence why Jesus told his Apostles about the coming destruction of the temple. Jesus knew the Daily Sacrifice had to be stopped as prophesied by Daniel.
What scripture shows sacrifice without the Temple? I certainly hope you are not speaking of pre-Temple sacrifices - since there must have been thousands beginning with Adam. But those sacrifices have absolutely nothing to do with Daniel 12:11. Again, apples and oranges if those are the sacrifices you are referring to.
What manner of sacrifice do the orthodox Jews have?
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ah sheesh another one.
while the need for the law of moses in that manner is done away with then doesn't negate the fact that jews are descended from the jews that did survive ad 70.most bible uses the essenes' Masoretic text and whom were those?
while the need for the law of moses in that manner is done away with then doesn't negate the fact that jews are descended from the jews that did survive ad 70.most bible uses the essenes' Masoretic text and whom were those?
Dear Joe, I'm just answering a portion of your reply at a time so as to not get off into too many directions at a time. There are many such as you that believe there must be a temple to offer sacrifice. The following scripture shows otherwise.
Ezra 3:2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.
Ezra 3:3 And they set the altar upon his bases; for fear was upon them because of the people of those countries: and they offered burnt offerings thereon unto the LORD, even burnt offerings morning and evening.
Ezra 3:6 From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the LORD. But the foundation of the temple of the LORD was not yet laid. They did not have to have a temple to offer sacrifices.
Ezra 3:2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.
Ezra 3:3 And they set the altar upon his bases; for fear was upon them because of the people of those countries: and they offered burnt offerings thereon unto the LORD, even burnt offerings morning and evening.
Ezra 3:6 From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the LORD. But the foundation of the temple of the LORD was not yet laid. They did not have to have a temple to offer sacrifices.
After Israel's temple was destroyed, in their search for anything to appease God as a sacrifice, many settle for the words in Hosea.
Hosea 14:2. "Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
This is very similar to Hebrew 13:15. "By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name."
