How Does Jesus Save Us?

[JLB]

This is why Paul said, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those that believe" Romans 10:4.

Yes indeed, since the context is the law of Moses, and it has been abolished in his flesh, having been nailed to the cross.

Now we have the righteousness of Christ, which is Christ Himself dwelling in our spirit, empowering us and leading us to practice righteousness.

He renews our mind to think and act like Him.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
1 John 3:7





JLB

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes indeed, since the context is the law of Moses, and it has been abolished in his flesh, having been nailed to the cross.

Now we have the righteousness of Christ, which is Christ Himself dwelling in our spirit, empowering us and leading us to practice righteousness.

He renews our mind to think and act like Him.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
1 John 3:7





JLB

I reject holiness theology. Spiritually, we are perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

Physically, "We are the chief of sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15. Paul did not teach a holiness theology. Paul struggled with sin, Romans 7:7-25.

 

[Jared Bannister]

Hmm.. Interesting question.

The Bible teaches that humanity has been corrupted by sin since Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3). As a result, all people are born with a “sin nature”—a propensity to disobey God and do evil—and thus stand condemned before Him (Romans 5:12-21). The only way out of this state was for someone to pay for our sins on our behalf. This is where Jesus comes in.

In John 3:16–17, Jesus tells us that God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son. This is so that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. According to Paul's letter to the Romans, Jesus paid for humankind's sins through his death on the cross (Romans 5:6-10). In doing so, he reconciled sinners back into favor with God by taking away their guilt and providing forgiveness (Colossians 1:13-14). By believing in Christ as Lord and Savior and receiving His free gift of salvation through faith alone, Christians are saved from punishment both now and after death when they enter eternity with God (John 10:27-28; Ephesians 2:8–9; Titus 3:5–7).

This teaching about salvation through faith is central among evangelical Christian denominations such as Baptists or Pentecostals who believe that one must accept Jesus as Lord to be saved (Acts 16:31), while some other groups – like Catholics – add additional requirements such as baptism or confessionally reciting certain creeds or doctrines. However, most Christians agree that personal repentance from God is necessary if one wants salvation through Christ. This is because without it there can be no real transformation within oneself which leads to true faithfulness towards God’s plan for us (Luke 13:3; Acts 2 & 17; 2 Corinthians 7:10). Moreover, all branches of Christianity recognize grace - defined here as unmerited favor - as an essential part of being saved by Christ due its role in helping believers access eternal life despite any shortcomings they may have (Ephesians 2: 8 ).


Amen

Jared
https://timelessmaze.com/

 

[Highway54]

Christians don't obey the commandments. No one does. Trying to obey the commandments will make you a hypocrite.

This is why Paul said, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those that believe" Romans 10:4.

Again Robert, different law. That is referring to the Law Covenant that was given us through Moses. We are now under the law of the Christ.

 

[justbyfaith]

This is a leading question in many theological circles.

Does Jesus save us by doing something in us? Or does Jesus save us by doing something totally and completely outside of us?

If Jesus could have saved us by doing something in us, then the incarnation of Jesus Christ was worthless. God could have sent his Holy Spirit into the world and caused unbelievers to be born again, no physical Christ would have been needed. Does this mean that all holiness religions are anti-Christ? What do you believe about that?

It is very apparent that Jesus saves us by doing something totally and completely outside of us. Paul wrote, "But God commended his love towards us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8. Now, if you believe that Jesus saves us by doing something in us, then you are going to have to delete that scripture from your Bible because it does not make sense.

Here is another one. "For if when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life" Romans 5:10. Think about this. While we were sinful enemies of God, Jesus had ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God. 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. The Gospel is a past historical event.

Before we were born salvation had already been provided for us, Hebrews 2:9. Our acceptance of Christ and his Gospel is not really what saves us. We were already saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus. We have already been MADE complete in him, Colossians 2:10. All that we have to do is accept it and believe it.

Paul makes it clear that if we are to be saved salvation must come to us totally and completely outside of us. It has in the work and the person of Jeus Christ. "God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. Only a real blood and flesh Jesus can do that.

Jesus said, "Ye must be born again."

That is an inward work of regeneration and renewing in the Holy Ghost (Titus 3:5) wherein the Lord "redeems us from all iniquity" (Titus 2:14 (kjv))

 

[Robert Pate]

Again Robert, different law. That is referring to the Law Covenant that was given us through Moses. We are now under the law of the Christ.

There is no law of Christ. There is only one law, it is the law of Moses. That law was abolished, Ephesians 2:15.

 

[Robert Pate]

Jesus said, "Ye must be born again."

That is an inward work of regeneration and renewing in the Holy Ghost (Titus 3:5) wherein the Lord "redeems us from all iniquity" (Titus 2:14 (kjv))

So, you believe that you are saved by Jesus doing something in you. Making you holy. Catholics believe the same thing. Are you a Catholic?

The scripture says that Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5.

 

[Robert Pate]

Hmm.. Interesting question.

The Bible teaches that humanity has been corrupted by sin since Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3). As a result, all people are born with a “sin nature”—a propensity to disobey God and do evil—and thus stand condemned before Him (Romans 5:12-21). The only way out of this state was for someone to pay for our sins on our behalf. This is where Jesus comes in.

In John 3:16–17, Jesus tells us that God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son. This is so that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. According to Paul's letter to the Romans, Jesus paid for humankind's sins through his death on the cross (Romans 5:6-10). In doing so, he reconciled sinners back into favor with God by taking away their guilt and providing forgiveness (Colossians 1:13-14). By believing in Christ as Lord and Savior and receiving His free gift of salvation through faith alone, Christians are saved from punishment both now and after death when they enter eternity with God (John 10:27-28; Ephesians 2:8–9; Titus 3:5–7).

This teaching about salvation through faith is central among evangelical Christian denominations such as Baptists or Pentecostals who believe that one must accept Jesus as Lord to be saved (Acts 16:31), while some other groups – like Catholics – add additional requirements such as baptism or confessionally reciting certain creeds or doctrines. However, most Christians agree that personal repentance from God is necessary if one wants salvation through Christ. This is because without it there can be no real transformation within oneself which leads to true faithfulness towards God’s plan for us (Luke 13:3; Acts 2 & 17; 2 Corinthians 7:10). Moreover, all branches of Christianity recognize grace - defined here as unmerited favor - as an essential part of being saved by Christ due its role in helping believers access eternal life despite any shortcomings they may have (Ephesians 2: 8 ).


Amen

Jared
https://timelessmaze.com/

In the Gospel we are ALREADY complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

In the Gospel we are ALREADY reconciled unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

In the Gospel our lives are ALREADY hidden with Christ in God, Colossians 3:3.

In the Gospel we are ALREADY seated together in Jesus Christ, Ephesians 2:6.

Personal testimonies tend to leave this out.

 

[JLB]

I reject holiness theology. Spiritually, we are perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

I dont know what "holiness" theology is.

I simply stated scripture.

Here it is again for you.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7

• He who practices righteousness is righteous

This is a simple statement.

Please read it.




JLB

 

[justbyfaith]

So, you believe that you are saved by Jesus doing something in you. Making you holy. Catholics believe the same thing. Are you a Catholic?

The scripture says that Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5.

No, I am not a Catholic.

I do, however, consider them to be a valid denomination, identified as Thyatira in the book of Revelation.

 

[Robert Pate]

I dont know what "holiness" theology is.

I simply stated scripture.

Here it is again for you.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7

• He who practices righteousness is righteous

This is a simple statement.

Please read it.




JLB

So, you can be a good righteous cult member and still be saved?

 

[justbyfaith]

So, you can be a good righteous cult member and still be saved?

I would say that there are cult members who do not deny the essentials of Christianity and that such may even be saved.

I am praying that God will reach across the board into the pseudo-Christian cults and that He will convert the leaders of such cults so that the cult themselves will be reformed and its leaders will begin to preach sound doctrine of the Christian faith.

 

[Robert Pate]

No, I am not a Catholic.

I do, however, consider them to be a valid denomination, identified as Thyatira in the book of Revelation.

What makes you think that Thyatira was Catholic?

 

[justbyfaith]

What makes you think that Thyatira was Catholic?

The order in history. If you see each church in the book of Revelation as a church age, Thyatira fits in with that period in church history where the Catholic church held the most power.

 

[Robert Pate]

I would say that there are cult members who do not deny the essentials of Christianity and that such may even be saved.

I am praying that God will reach across the board into the pseudo-Christian cults and that He will convert the leaders of such cults so that the cult themselves will be reformed and its leaders will begin to preach sound doctrine of the Christian faith.

All cults deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ. This is what makes them a cult, John 8:24.

 

[Robert Pate]

The order in history. If you see each church in the book of Revelation as a church age, Thyatira fits in with that period in church history where the Catholic church held the most power.

There was no Catholic church when John wrote the book of Revelation which was about 94 AD. The Catholic church was founded about 313 AD. There is nothing in the New Testament about a church in Rome.

 

[justbyfaith]

There was no Catholic church when John wrote the book of Revelation which was about 94 AD. The Catholic church was founded about 313 AD. There is nothing in the New Testament about a church in Rome.

You seem to fail to realize that the book of Revelation is a prophetic book.

 

[justbyfaith]

All cults deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ. This is what makes them a cult, John 8:24.

What makes a cult, a cult, is when there is aberrant doctrine and the leaders of the group exert unwarranted control over the members of the group.

 

[JLB]

So, you can be a good righteous cult member and still be saved?

You seem to have an issue with scripture.

What is it about this scripture that you diagree with?


Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7

• He who practices righteousness is righteous

Does you believe that practicing righteousness is evil?



JLB

 

[Robert Pate]

You seem to have an issue with scripture.

What is it about this scripture that you diagree with?


Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7

• He who practices righteousness is righteous

Does you believe that practicing righteousness is evil?



JLB

The Pharisees all practiced righteousness. They even tithed down to the mint in their gardens, Matthew 23:23. Unfortunately, they all went to hell, Matthew 23:33.