How Justification Works ?

[Jay T]

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

What did Jesus meant by this statement of His ?

 

[Oscar3]

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Then why don't you go to church?

 

[Jay T]

Then why don't you go to church?

When the Mark of the Beast goes down, they will round up those registered as SDA's, first.

Having my name removed as a member, I will be able to keep going longer, than most other SDA's.

Sounds paranoid, don't it ?

But then....John, the Baptist was not a memeber of any religious group....nor Jesus Christ either.
Paul either.....as misionaries.....the truth was spread much faster, than had they just stayed in one place.

Jesus Christ was constantly moving from one city to another.

I, myself viist many different Christian forums all over the internet.
That is why I'm not heard from for several days at a time on this forum.
I was a moderator for several years on this forum, but I was not good at moderating, because I had other priorities.

During the reformation...Martin Luther, and MANY others...had to leave their churches in order to do God's work.

 

[Oscar3]

When the Mark of the Beast goes down, they will round up those registered as SDA's, first.

Having my name removed as a member, I will be able to keep going longer, than most other SDA's.

Sounds paranoid, don't it ?

But then....John, the Baptist was not a memeber of any religious group....nor Jesus Christ either.
Paul either.....as misionaries.....the truth was spread much faster, than had they just stayed in one place.

Jesus Christ was constantly moving from one city to another.

I, myself viist many different Christian forums all over the internet.
That is why I'm not heard from for several days at a time on this forum.
I was a moderator for several years on this forum, but I was not good at moderating, because I had other priorities.

During the reformation...Martin Luther, and MANY others...had to leave their churches in order to do God's work.

So you are a forum missionary?

 

[Jay T]

So you are a forum missionary?

Yes, an internet Evangelist.

And Yes, I admit that I tend to harp on the commandments of God a bit much......but, there is a reason for that.


Without an understanding of what the Bible defines a sin, there cannot be any salvation.

Because salvation, is from....sin.
And, the Bible says that sin is the breaking of any one of God's commandments......
3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law".


The Law of God, is important, in the conversion process of people......
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD [is] sure, making wise the simple.

Once a person is 'saved', they then by faith, uphold God's Law......
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

QUESTION: Who are the 'we' spoken of ?

 

[Oscar3]

Yes, an internet Evangelist.

So u spread your false teaching through out the internet :-?

 

[Jay T]

So u spread your false teaching through out the internet :-?

What you call false the Bible declares is the truth.
And, I tend to go with what the Bible says.

 

[jgredline]

What you call false the Bible declares is the truth.
And, I tend to go with what the Bible says.

So the bible says that ellen g white teachings are true? :o

you are a false a teacher as I have seen here on the board which is why you are no longer a mod. take your poison someplace else

 

[Jay T]

So the bible says that ellen g white teachings are true?

ONLY IF...her writings measure up to the Bible test, as to who has the truth (Isaiah 8:20).

you are a false a teacher as I have seen here on the board which is why you are no longer a mod. take your poison someplace else

That is what the religious leaders implied of Jesus Christ....interesting !

 

[Oscar3]

That is what the religious leaders implied of Jesus Christ....interesting !

Where was this. Can you point me to the scriptures.

 

[wavy]

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

What did Jesus meant by this statement of His ?

Those who do what he says are loved by him.

 

[Jay T]

Where was this. Can you point me to the scriptures.

WHAT ?
You never read about the life of Jesus Christ ?

The religious leaders were always trying to find fault, with everything Jesus said and did !

There are just too may Bible verses to quote !!!

BUT here is just a sample verse.....
Matthew 26:3 Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,
26:4 And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtlety, and kill [him].

 

[Oscar3]

WHAT ?
You never read about the life of Jesus Christ ?

The religious leaders were always trying to find fault, with everything Jesus said and did !

There are just too may Bible verses to quote !!!

BUT here is just a sample verse.....
Matthew 26:3 Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,
26:4 And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtlety, and kill [him].

Mr T
Let me explain this section of scripture for you.

26 Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, that He said to His disciples, 2 "You know that after two days is the Passover, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified."

3 Then the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders of the people assembled at the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas, 4 and plotted to take Jesus by trickery and kill Him. 5 But they said, "Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar among the people."


26:1 As is his style, Matthew brings the discourse of the Lord to a conclusion with the words, Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished (see 7:28; 11:1; 13:53; 19:1).

26:3 The wicked Caiaphas was high priest from a.d. 18 to 37. However, Luke 3:2 says that both Annas (father-in-law of Caiaphas) and Caiaphas were high priests; Acts 4:6 calls Annas the high priest. Although Caiaphas was officially the high priest, Annas still had influence over that office. Annas was so despicable that the Roman government deposed him from office. However, he continued to work behind the scenes through his wicked son-inlaw.

26:4 The religious leaders knew they could not take Christ by argument or logic (22:46), and they did not dare take Him by force (21:46). Their only recourse was trickery.

26:5 This verse is to be compared with v. 2, which speaks of Christ's full knowledge of what was coming and His acceptance that it was part of God's plan (see John 10:18). Despite whatever people plot, God still sovereignly controls all events.

You really need to learn to understand context
How old are you Jay T?

 

[Jay T]

Mr T
Let me explain this section of scripture for you.

26 Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, that He said to His disciples, 2 "You know that after two days is the Passover, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified."

3 Then the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders of the people assembled at the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas, 4 and plotted to take Jesus by trickery and kill Him. 5 But they said, "Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar among the people."


26:1 As is his style, Matthew brings the discourse of the Lord to a conclusion with the words, Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished (see 7:28; 11:1; 13:53; 19:1).

26:3 The wicked Caiaphas was high priest from a.d. 18 to 37. However, Luke 3:2 says that both Annas (father-in-law of Caiaphas) and Caiaphas were high priests; Acts 4:6 calls Annas the high priest. Although Caiaphas was officially the high priest, Annas still had influence over that office. Annas was so despicable that the Roman government deposed him from office. However, he continued to work behind the scenes through his wicked son-inlaw.

26:4 The religious leaders knew they could not take Christ by argument or logic (22:46), and they did not dare take Him by force (21:46). Their only recourse was trickery.

The wicked ALWAYS persecute the Righteous people.
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26:5 This verse is to be compared with v. 2, which speaks of Christ's full knowledge of what was coming and His acceptance that it was part of God's plan (see John 10:18). Despite whatever people plot, God still sovereignly controls all events.

That's right....even your attempts to slander God's commandment-keeping people (Revelation 14:12).

You really need to learn to understand context

Had you read what Jesus said....HE never mentioned understanding 'context'......HE said EVERY WORD .......
4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

How old are you Jay T?

[/quote:83c9a]Older than you, sonny.

 

[AVBunyan]

Definition

Here is a good definition – based upon Webster’s 1828

JUSTIFICA'TION
In theology, absolution from guilt and punishment; or an act of free grace by which God pardons the sinner and accepts him as righteous, on account of the atonement of Christ.

Notice the above – where can you find the sinner’s role?

God bless

 

[Oscar3]

Thanks AV

 

[Jay T]

Re: Definition

Here is a good definition – based upon Webster’s 1828

JUSTIFICA'TION
In theology, absolution from guilt and punishment; or an act of free grace by which God pardons the sinner and accepts him as righteous, on account of the atonement of Christ.

I agree !

Notice the above – where can you find the sinner’s role?

Once a sinner has had his/hers sins forgiven....they are as white as snow !

NOW...comes the process of Sanctification.....living a sinless life, from the point of sins forgiven, onward.

As Jesus forgave her sins, HE said: 'go and sin no more'........ John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not].
8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
8:9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Sanctification, follows Justification.

 

[Jay T]

Where was this. Can you point me to the scriptures.

Why should I bother, as you'd just reject it anyway.

My mission is to help those who want Salvation, not engage in profitless arguments.

Since you have already judged me, as guilty (Just because I believe what God says)....my saying anything more of what God says, is pointless.

 

[Fnerb]

Re: Definition

As Jesus forgave her sins, HE said: 'go and sin no more'........ John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not].
8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
8:9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Sanctification, follows Justification.

True sanctification is impossible apart from Jesus Christ. No matter how hard you try, you will sin.

You make it sound as if though we have the power while on this earth to sin no more Jay T.

 

[AVBunyan]

Re: Definition

NOW...comes the process of Sanctification.....living a sinless life, from the point of sins forgiven, onward.

So - the sins you will commit tomorrow - are they forgiven or will you have to do something to get forgiveness? If you will have to do something then what is that something?