how many people will take the mark of beast . I believe no one will take it

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All who display the mark of Satan's beast will know .... and they will do so by their own choice [Revelation 14:9-11]

They will want to be associated withe the beast and will bear his logo and worship him as their "god".... and these will be able to exist within his economic infrastructure

The others in His Middle Eastern kingdom will not do this and will be shut out of the beast's realm because they will not submit [Revelation 13:11-18; 14:12-13]

Beginnings of this behavioral culture and religious setting are already being displayed in the Muslim Middle East as we speak

The prophets are all focused upon Israel in the midst of the tiny nation's ancient enemies who are predominantly the adherents of Islam

The balance of the populations of the earth outside of the scope will be greatly affected by this controversy and conflict between Israel [Issac] and the Muslims [Ishmael]

All of this coming tribulation against an unbelieving world will be at the Lord's hand

 

[JCitoL]

Hi JC,

Can you give some scriptural support for this interpretation? What information have you used to conclude that "buy" and "sell" means to receive and give grace? Can you list any other examples of this usage in the Bible?

Also, it seems strange that it would be grace. Considering your interpretation, the prophecy would say, "No person can give or receive grace without the Mark of the beast". How would something like that even be monitored? If someone wrongs me, what's to stop me from having grace on that person by saying, "no problem"? How would a bit of paint on my forhead stop me from doing that?

On the other hand, if we believe that the words "buy" and "sell" mean what they actually say, then it's easy to see how such activity can be controlled via advances in digital/electronic money. I was at a bank today which had a notice saying that they will be switching over to biometric thumbprints to authorize access to accounts.

Did you see the photos I posted in post# 7? Barclays bank has released a series of electronic money gadgets including a wrist band, key chain, and sticker, all of which use stored credit for buying and selling. You just "tap-and-pay". All around the world "buying and selling" is slowly shifting over to a cashless economy in general and, specifically, towards a "tap-and-pay" method using the hand. Money has always changed it's shape, evolving into more and more efficient means while still maintaining it's same basic purpose. In other words, the shape changes, but the spirit behind it always stays the same. The world is being prepared for microchip implants. It makes sense they they will be put in the hand since the hand is the most versatile appendage we have and it makes sense to be put in the right hand since the majority of the world is right-handed.

Jesus said A LOT about money and our relationship to it (Luke 12:15). He said that we cannot work for God and mammon (money and the things money can buy) without chating on one or the other. He said we will love one and despise the other. His followers said things like, "the love of money is the root of all evil" (1 Tim 6:10) and "beware of those who teach that wealth is proof of spirituality" (1 Tim 6:10). With all this emphasis on the dangers of materialism, it's quite amazing that people find so many different theories for what the Mark could be which have nothing to do with what the prophecy plainly says about the Mark (i.e. it wil be used to control buying and selling). It's like people have become so dependent on money that teachings against dependence get automatically reinterpreted as anything but a teaching against money.

People do this with the word "work". People see the word "work" in the Bible any they automatically assume it must mean "for money" (2 Thess 3:10). They do not consider that it could be talking about working for love, or working for the Kingdom of Heaven. It's always assumed to be "work for money".

Your interpretation of "buy and sell" actually meaning to "give and receive grace" is one of the more extreme examples of this tendency. Anyway, I guess it's all just part of the overall scenario of people choosing who they will work for.

first, let "me" tell you something about the delusion, firstly the mechanism of (the) delusion usually tries to suggest/persuade that ostensibly the physical is the critical, not the spiritual, while the truth is actually that it's exactly the opposite, i.e., as it was explained in my previous post, with regard to the very sin, the system of the sin tries to divert the attention from the spiritual to the physical, because exactly the spiritual iniquity/lawlessness is the original, the very and even the only sin, because it is the cause and the source of all other evils/iniquities/lawlessnesses:

Romans 5:12-14 "by one man(also: by the generation of the unrighteous spiritual workers/servants) sin(i.e. the devil and the system of (the) spiritual iniquity/lawlessness) entered into the world, and death(i.e. and the (spirit of) deterioration) by sin; and so death passed upon all men(i.e. and so the deterioration affected many humans), for that all have sinned(i.e. because many were seized by the system of (the) spiritual iniquity/lawlessness, some of them as its servants, others as its victims): For until the law sin was in the world(i.e. because the "darkness" was in the universe even until the entry of the human spirituality/religion): but sin is not imputed when there is no law(i.e. but there is no sin where there is no spiritual iniquity/lawlessness). Nevertheless death(i.e. the deterioration) reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression(i.e. even over people that had not committed spiritual iniquity/lawlessness)"

what made eve and adam sin?!, they were both righteous/sinless to one juncture - the moment in which the devil enticed them and they became spiritual workers of the unrighteousness, so there appeared a different(one strange) consciousness in them and they began to perceive and think that the physical is ostensibly unclean, shameful, troublesome, problematic and sinful of itself, while it is really not such, and here is how such a persuasion works even in your views/beliefs, because you hurry to state that ostensibly the physical is the critical, but the real truth is deeper, and exactly thus many believers/worshipers erred believing in the fabrication of the so-called "materialism" that actually were sown by the hindu religions, that's also why there is no such concept (materialism) in the doctrine of the biblical scriptures as well as there is no concept "spirituality" there (for God is love, while the spiritual may also be devilish), because the next thing that were sown by the unrighteous spiritual workers/servants is the defilement of the physical, i.e. the fact that the system of the spiritual iniquity/lawlessness negativized/demonized the physical including the economy, the business, the trade, the money, the banks, etc.

it is even absurd to talk about the modern means of payment, banking, security, etc. as something bad, while the real bad come from the world of the human(666) religion/spirituality, then how could and why are the things that make life better for the people evil, after their purpose is good?!, i am not trying to defend someone's iniquity/lawlessness, but there are righteous principles of faith, for example the first commandment of the true God is: you must not have other gods/lords besides Me, and there is nothing material(physical) therein, but it is entirely spiritual commandment, the second commandment is also such(periphrasis): you must not make spiritual beliefs/wisdom/prophecies and spiritual practices/rituals/traditions by yourself(i.e. that are not of God) with/in reference to anything up in the "heaven", down on the "earth", or in the "water" under the "earth", you must not bow to such things, nor serve them..., this commandment is also entirely spiritual, because it is against the heresies, i.e. the unrighteousness in the faith, the third commandment is also such(periphrasis): you must not use the faith for corrupt/selfish purposes or purposes that are against the will of the true God..., because the "name" of God is His faith, for He is righteous and faithful to take good care of all humans, and His worshipers/spritrual servants must also be righteous and faithful like Him, here is also the fourth commandment(periphrasis): do not forget the time during which the true God is in a state of incomplete wakefulness, to keep the creature/creation holy, in principle you are free to do any thing whereby there would be no infliction of evil/harm on any person, but, because the hour of the faith is the "sabbath" of the true God, see (how) not to defile it, neither you, nor any one in the faith, for the true God created the "heaven", the "earth", the "sea", and the rest of the relevant things, and fell (of necessity/against His will) into a centuries-long state of sleepiness from the seventh day on, therefore He blessed the sabbath and hallowed it - because God the Father was not always able to take full care of every human/besouled being for the last 5-6 millennia, that is why He gave to the spiritual servants to sanctify the creature/creation so that they might wake Him (up) to save all human and other besouled beings, and this commandment is also entirely spiritual

the problem is that the kingdom of (the) human(666) religion/spirituality has brought that delusion in the world from long ago, and here is how many modern christians also turn out to be misled according to the old creeds of the world:

Colossians 2:8
(NIV) "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.",

(NLT) "Don't let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.",

(ESV) "See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.",
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[JCitoL]

Colossians 2:20-23
(NIV) "Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.",

(NLT) "You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.",

(ESV) "If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh."

here i will present some scriptural evidence on the devil's resistance against the saints to receive/provide grace for complete support (as you wanted to see):

Daniel 7:21 "I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;",

Matthew 23:13-24 "woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees(i.e. you, spiritual workers/servants of the human(unrighteous) religion/spirituaity), hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses(i.e. you ruin (the lives of) broken believers/people), and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation..... Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat(i.e. pettily judge people (because) of insignificancies), and swallow a camel(i.e. while drain the "blood" of the true Saints/Prophets/Righteous).",

Matthew 27:50-53 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.",

1 Thessalonians 2:17-18 "we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavoured the more abundantly to see your face with great desire. Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.",

Revelation 13:7 "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

the wicked even had succeeded to hold the bodies of many saints in the graves until the decease of the Lord on the cross

also, (the) "tilaka" and "bindi" are simply a sign of the very act of sin, and a mark as to the agreement with the system of spiritual iniquity/lawlessness and human(666) religion/spirituality

Blessings

 

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first, let "me" tell you something about the delusion, firstly the mechanism of (the) delusion usually tries to suggest/persuade that ostensibly the physical is the critical, not the spiritual, while the truth is actually that it's exactly the opposite, i.e., as it was explained in my previous post, with regard to the very sin, the system of the sin tries to divert the attention from the spiritual to the physical, because exactly the spiritual iniquity/lawlessness is the original, the very and even the only sin, because it is the cause and the source of all other evils/iniquities/lawlessnesses:

Excellent in-sight above. Just excellent!

what made eve and adam sin?!, they were both righteous/sinless to one juncture - the moment in which the devil enticed them and they became spiritual workers of the unrighteousness, so there appeared a different(one strange) consciousness in them and they began to perceive and think that the physical is ostensibly unclean, shameful, troublesome, problematic and sinful of itself, while it is really not such,

Again, just excellent. We know that God BLESSED Adam, with Eve, still within him. Jesus told us what happens where the Word is sown. Mark 4:15. The signs that this "internal violation" transpired within them is written ALL OVER THEIR FLESH actions afterwords, and in the Actions of God toward Adam, laying the "law" upon Adam? No, not just Adam, but upon the adversary who had already ENTERED the flesh of Adam. The Law is against the LAWLESS, after all! 1 Tim. 1:9 After the Words of blessings, Adam fell into SLUMBER. This is the 'sign' of Satan's entry into the heart. IN many "reverse" showings in the scriptures, the Prophets ALSO fell into a DEAD or SLEEP LIKE state, prior to the receptions of GODS WORDS, and this is a picture of the ADVERSARY upon their minds and hearts being PUT DOWN. And, even moreso, Adam's "inner man" was taken from him, and set before him externally, in the form of a WEAKER vessel, a WOMAN.

So many sights to see when we see ALL the parties to this natural man are seen. It was NOT just Adam, the natural man, but Adam and the entrance of the deceiver INTO Adam. Yes, Adam's inner man was in fact already deceived, immediately after the Words of Blessings were conveyed upon him, just as Jesus says in Mark 4:15.

and here is how such a persuasion works even in your views/beliefs, because you hurry to state that ostensibly the physical is the critical, but the real truth is deeper, and exactly thus many believers/worshipers erred believing in the fabrication of the so-called "materialism" that actually were sown by the hindu religions, that's also why there is no such concept (materialism) in the doctrine of the biblical scriptures as well as there is no concept "spirituality" there (for God is love, while the spiritual may also be devilish), because the next thing that were sown by the unrighteous spiritual workers/servants is the defilement of the physical, i.e. the fact that the system of the spiritual iniquity/lawlessness negativized/demonized the physical including the economy, the business, the trade, the money, the banks, etc.

Again a big big BINGO! I've enjoyed your other posts as well.

it is even absurd to talk about the modern means of payment, banking, security, etc. as something bad, while the real bad come from the world of the human(666) religion/spirituality, then how could and why are the things that make life better for the people evil, after their purpose is good?!, i am not trying to defend someone's iniquity/lawlessness, but there are righteous principles of faith, for example the first commandment of the true God is: you must not have other gods/lords besides Me, and there is nothing material(physical) therein, but it is entirely spiritual commandment,

Correct. And even further, we MUST understand His Ways! Which Ways are shown to us, not in fear, but as REVEALING the Word that HE has going on in this present world. He Has Assayed to take from this wicked world full of flesh people who are planted with our spiritual adversary, another people, His Spiritual offspring, who are in fact presently hidden or planted in this present darkness.

the second commandment is also such(periphrasis): you must not make beliefs/wisdom/prophecies and practices/rituals/traditions by yourself(i.e. that are not of God) with/in reference to anything up in the "heaven", down on the "earth", or in the "water" under the "earth", you must not bow to such things, nor serve them..., this commandment is also entirely spiritual, because it is against the heresies, i.e. the unrighteousness in the faith, the third commandment is also such(periphrasis): you must not use the faith for corrupt/selfish purposes or purposes that are against the will of the true God..., because the "name" of God is His faith, for He is righteous and faithful to take good care of all humans, and His worshipers/spritrual servants must also be righteous and faithful like Him,

This is the most difficult ground. To love our neighbors as ourselves, even when we, in the darkness of our own flesh, see them falsely as enemies. There are TWO EYES of God in Christ that are laid upon all and in the lump of me He Sees TWO VESSELS. This Spiritual Sight is found by Paul in Romans 9:18-24. And Paul directs us, as believers to "divide" ourselves from that "other vessel" which is the working of the adversary, even while we are still carrying our own internal enemy. 2 Tim. 2:20-21

Paul, quite refreshingly, THOROUGLY honestly laid this Godly Christ Sight upon his own flesh, and observed thusly. That the LAW prompted the lawless thoughts of the TEMPTER to work adversely within his own mind. Romans 7:7-13. His own flesh was indwelt by SIN, which he disassociated from even while yet carrying same in his own flesh. Romans 7:17-20! Even having "evil present" with him as he walked IN FAITH and in THE SPIRIT. Romans 7:21. Even as he himself had a messenger of Satan in his own flesh. 2 Cor. 12:7. You won't hear any of this in the churches of flesh men. They are too busy trying to justify the entirety of themselves, which is the OPPOSITE direction that any of us should be walking!

We are to LIFT UP THE LAW to arouse and disturb and enrage and even EMPOWER our ADVERSARY and to PRAY to God in Christ bring that working and worker to Divine Justice in DESTRUCTION and WRATH.

This is the ground of the death of the flesh for everyone who walks WITH CHRIST within them.


Colossians 3:3
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

YE is a PLURAL TERM. YOUR, is singular!

What Beautiful Penmanship has The Holy Spirit, the marks, purposefully crafted and set. Written across the Spectrum of His Words.

here is also the fourth commandment(periphrasis): do not forget the time during which the true God is in a state of incomplete wakefulness, to keep the creature/creation holy, in principle you are free to do any thing whereby there would be no infliction of evil/harm on any person, but, because the hour of the faith is the "sabbath" of the true God, see (how) not to defile it, neither you, nor any one in faith, for the true God created the "heaven", the "earth", the "sea", and the rest of the relevant things, and fell (of necessity/against His will) into a centuries-long state of sleepiness from the seventh day on, therefore He blessed the sabbath and hallowed it - because God the Father was not always able to take full care of every human/besouled being for the last 5-6 millennia, that is why He gave to the spiritual servants to sanctify the creature/creation so that they might wake Him (up) to save all human and other besouled beings, and this commandment is also entirely spiritual

Yep! We are to REMEMBER, to AWAKEN to The Promise of the Sabbath, when we will REST from our burdens, our ENEMIES.

the problem is that the kingdom of (the) human(666) religion/spirituality has brought that delusion in the world from long ago, and here is how many modern christians also turn out to be misled according to the old creeds of the world:

Colossians 2:8
(NIV) "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.",

(NLT) "Don't let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.",

(ESV) "See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.",
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You see WELL. And the sights have refreshed my soul.

 

[JCitoL]

Correct. And even further, we MUST understand His Ways! Which Ways are shown to us, not in fear, but as REVEALING the Word that HE has going on in this present world. He Has Assayed to take from this wicked world full of flesh people who are planted with our spiritual adversary, another people, His Spiritual offspring, who are in fact presently hidden or planted in this present darkness.This is the most difficult ground. To love our neighbors as ourselves, even when we, in the darkness of our own flesh, see them falsely as enemies. There are TWO EYES of God in Christ that are laid upon all and in the lump of me He Sees TWO VESSELS. This Spiritual Sight is found by Paul in Romans 9:18-24. And Paul directs us, as believers to "divide" ourselves from that "other vessel" which is the working of the adversary, even while we are still carrying our own internal enemy. 2 Tim. 2:20-21

Paul, quite refreshingly, THOROUGLY honestly laid this Godly Christ Sight upon his own flesh, and observed thusly. That the LAW prompted the lawless thoughts of the TEMPTER to work adversely within his own mind. Romans 7:7-13. His own flesh was indwelt by SIN, which he disassociated from even while yet carrying same in his own flesh. Romans 7:17-20! Even having "evil present" with him as he walked IN FAITH and in THE SPIRIT. Romans 7:21. Even as he himself had a messenger of Satan in his own flesh. 2 Cor. 12:7. You won't hear any of this in the churches of flesh men. They are too busy trying to justify the entirety of themselves, which is the OPPOSITE direction that any of us should be walking!

We are to LIFT UP THE LAW to arouse and disturb and enrage and even EMPOWER our ADVERSARY and to PRAY to God in Christ bring that working and worker to Divine Justice in DESTRUCTION and WRATH.

This is the ground of the death of the flesh for everyone who walks WITH CHRIST within them.

Colossians 3:3
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

YE is a PLURAL TERM. YOUR, is singular!

What Beautiful Penmanship has The Holy Spirit, the marks, purposefully crafted and set. Written across the Spectrum of His Words.Yep! We are to REMEMBER, to AWAKEN to The Promise of the Sabbath, when we will REST from our burdens, our ENEMIES.You see WELL. And the sights have refreshed my soul.

the faith is not given to be a means of private/selfish purpose, but it is about overall salvation in That Who really is the true Lord God, that is why the translation "vessels (un)to dishonour" is not (quite) correct interpretation if it is literally read and understood, because it is about the people to whom the true God has not given to believe(exercise the faith)/be believers, for they naturally do not commit spiritual iniquity/lawlessness:

Romans 2:14-27 "the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)..... Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?"

yes, the disbeliever does not believe(does not exercise/practice the faith), and the non-occult does not exercise/practice occultism, etc..., that is why such a person naturally cannot and does not commit spiritual iniquity/lawlessness, because such an iniquity/lawlessness can be done only by/through spiritual(religious or occult) activity, so Saint Paul talks about the two main categories of people, the believers and the disbelievers, and to be a disbeliever is not a sin of itself, because if it was possible for or if the true God wanted every human being (without exception) to be a believer, then He would have given to His Son, Jesus Christ, not only 12 disciples, but even 12 or 120 thousand/million, but as there is no need for every human to be a minister, deputy, senator, governor, or mayor, so there is no need for every human to be a spiritual servant of God, that is why it is shown in the biblical scriptures that God always preferred to have only small number of spiritual servants, or why must every one be a minister, and no one - ordinary citizen?!, so God has made there to be two main categories of people, spiritual servants(biblically: "jews") and ordinary users("gentiles")

it is another thing whether every spiritual servant/worker will be righteous, because the "vessel (un)to honour" could otherwise become a "vessel (un)to dishonour", because such a person could lose its status of (true) spiritual servant

Romans 2:25 "For circumcision(also: faith/baptism) verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision."

as for the "flesh", it is the negative area of the mind manifesting by the evil people, which appears as a result of the activity of the system of spiritual iniquity/lawlessness, but how is it possible that the "flesh" manifest in the true Saints or righteous people?!, of course, and thanks God, such a thing is not possible, but Saint Paul talks about the impulses of the sin i.e. the attempts of the sin to affect/influence even holy/righteous people, or as the Lord, Jesus Christ, says: "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."(Matthew 24:24), and as Saint John says: "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."(1 John 4:1)

and why must we (i quote) "arouse and disturb and enrage and even empower our adversary"?!, this sounds like a speculation, especially after we have to work for the removal of the inanimate spirits of the "darkness" from the human and the other besouled beings as well as the whole world, while to play with the devilish "fire" is inadvisable:

Ephesians 6:12 "we wrestle not against flesh and blood(i.e. not against human or other besouled beings), but against principalities(i.e. but against the spiritual systems of the "darkness"), against powers(i.e. against the spiritual powers(rather in the sense of "forces") of the "darkness"), against the rulers(i.e. against the inanimate spirits) of the darkness of this world(i.e. whose kingdom is principally based in this world), against spiritual wickedness in high places(against the spiritual iniquity/lawlessness, but mostly that of the high level(s))."

it is said "you are dead"(Col 3:3), but in the sense of: you died/are dead from the lusts of the "flesh", because here is how you are still alive like the other people that still live in this world

to keep the "sabbath" also means to keep the creature/creation holy and to sanctify it, as well as to wake the true God Father (up) for overall salvation

Blessings

 

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the faith is not given to be a means of private/selfish purpose, but it is about overall salvation in That Who really is the true Lord God, that is why the translation "vessels (un)to dishonour" is not (quite) correct interpretation if it is literally read and understood, because it is about the people to whom the true God has not given to believe(exercise the faith)/be believers, for they naturally do not commit spiritual iniquity/lawlessness:

Observe 2 Cor. 12:7. The vessel of dishonor should be rather obvious, as should the vessel of honor.

yes, the disbeliever does not believe(does not exercise/practice the faith), and the non-occult does not exercise/practice occultism, etc..., that is why such a person naturally cannot and does not commit spiritual iniquity/lawlessness, because such an iniquity/lawlessness can be done only by/through spiritual(religious or occult) activity,

Sin is of the devil. 1 John 3:8.

so Saint Paul talks about the two main categories of people, the believers and the disbelievers,

Paul does point out that the unbelievers minds are blinded by the 'god of this world' meaning there are TWO parties present, the blinded and the blinder/captor. Paul shows this same matter for us prior to belief, in Eph. 2:2. Same for unbelieving Israel in Romans 11:8, 2 Cor. 3:14. All identical to the Jesus' statement of fact in Mark 4:15. It's quite tidy and consistent.

and to be a disbeliever is not a sin of itself, because if it was possible for or if the true God wanted every human being (without exception) to be a believer, then He would have given to His Son, Jesus Christ, not only 12 disciples, but even 12 or 120 thousand/million, but as there is no need for every human to be a minister, deputy, senator, governor, or mayor, so there is no need for every human to be a spiritual servant of God,

I agree with that. There are however other matters going on in this present world that do not revolve around "man" but around these:

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

it is another thing whether every spiritual servant/worker will be righteous, because the "vessel (un)to honour" could otherwise become a "vessel (un)to dishonour", because such a person could lose its status of (true) spiritual servant

The vessels never change identity. It's only a question of who is dominant, such as here:

Romans 6:12
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

as for the "flesh", it is the negative area of the mind manifesting by the evil people, which appears as a result of the activity of the system of spiritual iniquity/lawlessness, but how is it possible that the "flesh" manifest in the true Saints or righteous people?!,

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

of course, and thanks God, such a thing is not possible, but Saint Paul talks about the impulses of the sin i.e. the attempts of the sin to affect/influence even holy/righteous people, or as the Lord, Jesus Christ, says: "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."(Matthew 24:24), and as Saint John says: "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."(1 John 4:1)

Obviously "lying spirits" are not people, but these DO dwell in the flesh of people, particularly if they are not honest with Word Measures.

and why must we (i quote) "arouse and disturb and enrage and even empower our adversary"?!, this sounds like a speculation,

It's the Way of God.

Amos 9:8
Behold, the eyes of the Lord God are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the Lord.

Romans 7:
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.


1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Remember this. It is not just MAN that is moved by THE LAW.

Satan is also moved "in man" to RESIST. Just as Jesus showed us in Mark 4:15, and in all the other seed parables. I have not yet seen your assessment of this side of the coin, yet.

 

[john darling]

it is even absurd to talk about the modern means of payment, banking, security, etc. as something bad, while the real bad come from the world of the human(666) religion/spirituality, then how could and why are the things that make life better for the people evil, after their purpose is good?!

Hi JCitoL,

Why should it be absurd to talk about modern means of payment in relation to the Mark, when the prophecy says the purpose of the Mark will be to control buying/selling?

You said, in an earlier post, that the "buying/selling" mentioned in the Mark prophecy is nothing to do with money, but rather about receiving and giving grace. I asked you for further clarification on that, to show others examples of the words "buy" and "sell" in that context, or any scriptural support for your interpretation, but you've not done that. Or, if you have and I've missed it, please post your response on that specific issue for me. Thanks.

I notice you imply that the purpose of money is to make life better. Is that really your experience with money; it makes life better? My experience of money is that it has created a standard in which people believe they cannot help one another just because they want to. They must receive payment in exchange for their love. People who don't have it aren't able to get the things they need, while those who have it are able to buy much more than they need.

Money does fulfill a purpose in that it represents a reason to work; if you want to eat, then you need to get out there and work. It ensures that people will contribute. It provides a motivation. However, it is a motivation based on greed and therefore not consistent with the values of Heaven Jesus taught. We should only work for the benefit of our brothers and sisters. This should be our motivation. Jesus didn't work for money. His disciples are recorded as quitting their jobs when he said, "follow me" (Luke 5:11, Luke 5:28, Luke 18:28). He later gives the same command (i.e. follow me) to any who would be his followers (Luke 9:23). After all, it makes sense that a follower would follow, right?

He tells us to consider the birds and flowers specifically because they don't work for money, and yet God still feeds/clothes them (Matthew 6:26-30). He sent his followers out with nothing, telling them to preach the gospel and to eat whatever God provided for them (Luke 10:4-8). Later, when he asked them if they lacked anything, they responded with, "nothing" (Luke 22:35). He sent them out because he wanted them to see that his teaching about the birds and flowers was genuine; God really will take care of us if we seek his kingdom first.

The purpose behind the Mark is to sort those who work for the Kingdom of Heaven from those who work for any other motivation. Anyway, considering that the love of money is the root of all evil, I'd like to see some evidence for your interpretation that "buying and selling" doesn't relate to money.

firstly the mechanism of (the) delusion usually tries to suggest/persuade that ostensibly the physical is the critical, not the spiritual, while the truth is actually that it's exactly the opposite,

I'm surprised you don't see any spiritual lesson in the things I've been saying, although if you see buying/selling as making life better, then it makes sense that you would see no spiritual lesson in a connection between the Mark and buying/selling. Anyay, from what I can see, there is a very definite spiritual lesson behind "that no man may buy or sell, unless he takes the Mark" (Revelation 13:17).

Jesus talked about this same issue when he said we cannot work for God and mammon (money and the things money can buy) at the same time without cheating on one or the other (Matthew 6:24). So, whilst a microchip implant in the hand will be a physical manifestation of the Mark, there is also the spiritual lesson as to WHY people will choose to take it (i.e. their dependence on the systems of man).

In my experience of discussing the Mark, this issue of confronting our dependence on materialism is the single most disregarded aspect of the Mark. I've never seen any theory, aside from microchip implant banking, which specifically addresses the issue of "buying and selling", though it is clearly described as the purpose of the Mark. Ritual scarring doesn't deal with it. Hindu bindis on the forehead doesn't deal with it. Islam doesn't deal with it. "Sunday worship" doesn't deal with it. The "secret rapture" theory doesn't deal with it (even if it's to have a backup on what to do about it in the event that they were mistaken and the Mark comes before Jesus returns).

 

[JCitoL]

Observe 2 Cor. 12:7. The vessel of dishonor should be rather obvious, as should the vessel of honor.

Sin is of the devil. 1 John 3:8.

Paul does point out that the unbelievers minds are blinded by the 'god of this world' meaning there are TWO parties present, the blinded and the blinder/captor. Paul shows this same matter for us prior to belief, in Eph. 2:2. Same for unbelieving Israel in Romans 11:8, 2 Cor. 3:14. All identical to the Jesus' statement of fact in Mark 4:15. It's quite tidy and consistent.

I agree with that. There are however other matters going on in this present world that do not revolve around "man" but around these:

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The vessels never change identity. It's only a question of who is dominant, such as here:

Romans 6:12
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Obviously "lying spirits" are not people, but these DO dwell in the flesh of people, particularly if they are not honest with Word Measures.

It's the Way of God.

Amos 9:8
Behold, the eyes of the Lord God are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the Lord.

Romans 7:
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Remember this. It is not just MAN that is moved by THE LAW.

Satan is also moved "in man" to RESIST. Just as Jesus showed us in Mark 4:15, and in all the other seed parables. I have not yet seen your assessment of this side of the coin, yet.

Edited reba

if a man does not understand the main principles of the biblical doctrine, why must he hurry to express his opinion as authoritative(Acts 8:30-31)?!, when it comes to the faith, there are some things that must definitely be considered, but mostly the correct difference between spiritual and physical, which were both created by the true Lord God without any participation of the "darkness"/wicked, and of course He does not create things unclean/sinful of themselves

Romans 14:14-20 "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself:... All things indeed are pure;"

why do you think the biblical unholy "spirits" cannot be/are not besouled beings?!

1 Peter 3:18-20 "Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Edited reba

Romans 12:21 "Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."

Blessings

 

[JCitoL]

Hi JCitoL,

Why should it be absurd to talk about modern means of payment in relation to the Mark, when the prophecy says the purpose of the Mark will be to control buying/selling?

You said, in an earlier post, that the "buying/selling" mentioned in the Mark prophecy is nothing to do with money, but rather about receiving and giving grace. I asked you for further clarification on that, to show others examples of the words "buy" and "sell" in that context, or any scriptural support for your interpretation, but you've not done that. Or, if you have and I've missed it, please post your response on that specific issue for me. Thanks.

I notice you imply that the purpose of money is to make life better. Is that really your experience with money; it makes life better? My experience of money is that it has created a standard in which people believe they cannot help one another just because they want to. They must receive payment in exchange for their love. People who don't have it aren't able to get the things they need, while those who have it are able to buy much more than they need.

Money does fulfill a purpose in that it represents a reason to work; if you want to eat, then you need to get out there and work. It ensures that people will contribute. It provides a motivation. However, it is a motivation based on greed and therefore not consistent with the values of Heaven Jesus taught. We should only work for the benefit of our brothers and sisters. This should be our motivation. Jesus didn't work for money. His disciples are recorded as quitting their jobs when he said, "follow me" (Luke 5:11, Luke 5:28, Luke 18:28). He later gives the same command (i.e. follow me) to any who would be his followers (Luke 9:23). After all, it makes sense that a follower would follow, right?

He tells us to consider the birds and flowers specifically because they don't work for money, and yet God still feeds/clothes them (Matthew 6:26-30). He sent his followers out with nothing, telling them to preach the gospel and to eat whatever God provided for them (Luke 10:4-8). Later, when he asked them if they lacked anything, they responded with, "nothing" (Luke 22:35). He sent them out because he wanted them to see that his teaching about the birds and flowers was genuine; God really will take care of us if we seek his kingdom first.

The purpose behind the Mark is to sort those who work for the Kingdom of Heaven from those who work for any other motivation. Anyway, considering that the love of money is the root of all evil, I'd like to see some evidence for your interpretation that "buying and selling" doesn't relate to money.

I'm surprised you don't see any spiritual lesson in the things I've been saying, although if you see buying/selling as making life better, then it makes sense that you would see no spiritual lesson in a connection between the Mark and buying/selling. Anyay, from what I can see, there is a very definite spiritual lesson behind "that no man may buy or sell, unless he takes the Mark" (Revelation 13:17).

Jesus talked about this same issue when he said we cannot work for God and mammon (money and the things money can buy) at the same time without cheating on one or the other (Matthew 6:24). So, whilst a microchip implant in the hand will be a physical manifestation of the Mark, there is also the spiritual lesson as to WHY people will choose to take it (i.e. their dependence on the systems of man).

In my experience of discussing the Mark, this issue of confronting our dependence on materialism is the single most disregarded aspect of the Mark. I've never seen any theory, aside from microchip implant banking, which specifically addresses the issue of "buying and selling", though it is clearly described as the purpose of the Mark. Ritual scarring doesn't deal with it. Hindu bindis on the forehead doesn't deal with it. Islam doesn't deal with it. "Sunday worship" doesn't deal with it. The "secret rapture" theory doesn't deal with it (even if it's to have a backup on what to do about it in the event that they were mistaken and the Mark comes before Jesus returns).

you again talk about the visible, but it is quite comprehensibly written that the iniquity/lawlessness of the antichrists is most invisible/unknown:

Mark 4:11 "And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:",

Romans 2:16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.",

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.",

Revelation 17 5-6 "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns."

it is seen/evident form the written that it is about something secret that is usually not visible/known to most people, and mostly spiritual, because the money are well-known to most people of the world, and they know everything about the money, and in this regard no one can lie the people just like that, because you also know that they would seek their rights, and that many even protested publicly in such cases and there were large street demonstrations/protests, of course i did not mean that the money is a panacea, but i meant that the modern means of payment, banking, security, etc. were/are made for good to facilitate the people's lives, while the money itself has existed from long ago, even since centuries before the first coming of Christ through a birth given by a woman, and the people have just preferred to live with money, because they have found this to be most fair way for compensation, or would you prefer to work hard and then receive only one lunch and one dinner per day and nothing more as a remuneration for the work done, while your colleagues or employers/masters (can) afford/have much more (than you) for not working anything only because they are big shots or smart asses?!, so here is how the money cannot be avoided by every human and does not interfere with anyone:

Acts 2:43-47 "And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."
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[JCitoL]

but the spiritual is seen even in the revelations about the "dragon", the "beast", the "whore", the "other best", etc., for example, here is one exemplary passage:

Revelation 18:8-17 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not(i.e. the graceful/gracious/beneficial spirit of the "darkness" is passing); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth(i.e. and the unrighteous spiritual/religious people) shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is(i.e. about how the "beast" appears and manifests). And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains(i.e. seven main spirits of the "darkness"/wicked), on which the woman sitteth(i.e. on which the system of spiritual iniquity/lawlessness and human(666) religion/spirituality, as well as the rise of "kundalini", are based). And there are seven kings(i.e. seven main "chakras" i.e. (appearances of) the seven main satanic spirits): five are fallen, and one is(i.e. the so-called satanic spiritual process "yoga" goes on principally in the sixth chakra, which is the so-called "third eye" in the point between the eyebrows, while the first five chakras are dependent), and the other is not yet come(i.e. the seventh chakra is achieved afterwards); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space(i.e. but its realization cannot last more than 5-6 millennia reckoned from the day of the original sin/fall (of eve and adam) on). And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth(i.e. it is the eighth chakra), and is of the seven(i.e. and the seven chakras are dependent on it), and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings(i.e. ten high chakras, which are based on the seven main), which have received no kingdom as yet(i.e. whose realization comes after the seventh and eighth chakras); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast(i.e. but their realization also cannot last more than 5-6 millennia). These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast(i.e. all (a total of) 12 charkas are aspects of the "beast", which is the graceful/gracious/beneficial spirit of the "darkness"). These shall make war with the Lamb(i.e. the (total of) 12 chakras and the spiritual servants/workers of the "beast" will make war against Jesus Christ), and the Lamb(i.e. but He) shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings(i.e. for Jesus Christ is the only (true) Lord of the entire universe): and they that are with him(i.e. and they that will also overcome together with Him) are called, and chosen, and faithful. And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples(i.e. are worshipers/spiritual workers), and multitudes(i.e. and sects/denominations), and nations(i.e. and religions), and tongues(i.e. and faiths/creeds). And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled."

the words "occult" and "esoteric" mean secret, mysterious, mystic, transcendental, and supernatural, which is one more proof that it is rather about occultism/esoterism/idolatry and occultists/esotericists/idolaters than something physical and some physically prevailing people

Blessings

 

[smaller]

Edited reba

if a man does not understand the main principles of the biblical doctrine, why must he hurry to express his opinion as authoritative(Acts 8:30-31)?!, when it comes to the faith, there are some things that must definitely be considered, but mostly the correct difference between spiritual and physical, which were both created by the true Lord God without any participation of the "darkness"/wicked, and of course He does not create things unclean/sinful of themselves

Romans 14:14-20 "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself:... All things indeed are pure;"

why do you think the biblical unholy "spirits" cannot be/are not besouled beings?!

1 Peter 3:18-20 "Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Edited reba

Romans 12:21 "Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."

Blessings

It appears I may have struck a nerve. You do understand that we battle with the tempter, internally?

One of the most blatantly obvious disclosures in the entirety of the N.T. Gospels is the engagement of Jesus against Satan and demons IN mankind. What might we say about this "overlap?" Mark 4:15 IS an internal reality. As is every sin, connected to the devil. 1 John 3:8. As is every unbeliever, blinded by the 'god of this world' in their minds, 2 Cor. 4:4.

The directive to Paul in Acts 26:18 is no different for any of us who believe. We are to turn people from-the power of Satan.

That is where I cut scriptural mustard with believers who see and who doesn't, in the unseen arena.

When the unseen arena comes to play, then things like the MARK OF THE BEAST have entirely different sights that are NOT necessarily 'linked' to MAN only, NOR do such Marks have to be seen.

The people of the O.T., fleshly in their sights, thought to wear Gods Words on the outside, in paper wrappings on their forehead and their hands, call phylacteries. Obviously, in the spiritual senses, that really didn't make much sense whatsoever.

Romans 10:8
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

It is this same Word, that divides us from our enemies, within.

 

[JCitoL]

It appears I may have struck a nerve. You do understand that we battle with the tempter, internally?

the fanatic attitude, treatment and behavior cannot surprise me, but who actually hurried to slander another here - not your posts to me were edited by a moderator?!, so, in the time of Jesus and His 12 Apostles as well as further back in time there were also persons that slandered true Saints/Prophets in a similar way

after you know the holy wrestle is internal, cast the inanimate devilish spirits out of you and your brothers/neighbors in case you believe rightly (enough) in That Who really is the true Lord God at all, and do not rush into making war against imaginary opponents - i am just a human like many others, and i am here not to intrigue/duel with someone else here, but to bear certain witness about God and the faith according as it is given to me by That Who really is the true Lord God - i say this because i noticed a strange behavior to me on your part, and you insinuated that you (i quote) "arouse and disturb and enrage and even empower" your adversary, so if you think i am your adversary, then know that i am not your "windmill", neither your sancho panza

One of the most blatantly obvious disclosures in the entirety of the N.T. Gospels is the engagement of Jesus against Satan and demons IN mankind. What might we say about this "overlap?"

how do you say Jesus and the true Saints do not wrestle against satan and its kingdom of spiritual iniquity/lawlessness?!, see what Jesus Himself says:

Luke 12:49-51 "I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:"

but the holy wrestle is not against human or other besouled beings, but against the inanimate things of the "darkness" that war against God and the humans as well as the system of spiritual iniquity/lawlessness (Ephesians 6:12), but this means the inanimate devilish spirits must be removed from the human beings and the whole creation of God, for example, a father against the devilish spirits that possess his son, a son against the devilish spirits that possess his father, a mother against the devilish spirits that possess her daughter, a daughter against the devilish spirits that possess her mother, etc.

Luke 12:52-53 "For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."

Mark 4:15 IS an internal reality. As is every sin, connected to the devil. 1 John 3:8. As is every unbeliever, blinded by the 'god of this world' in their minds, 2 Cor. 4:4.

The directive to Paul in Acts 26:18 is no different for any of us who believe. We are to turn people from-the power of Satan.

That is where I cut scriptural mustard with believers who see and who doesn't, in the unseen arena.

yes, it is possible that some worshipers turn out to be in such a position, but i say "worshipers", because in Mark 4:15 Jesus talks about people that heard the word/gospel, but started or continued to exercise/practice the faith unrighteously, because the devil deceived them and they followed it without repenting of their spiritual unrighteousness to the last

why do you think Saint Paul says that the "god of this world" blinded disbelievers, not believers, after the biblical phrase "this world" primarily means the kingdom of the human(666) religion/spirituality?!, the Lord sent Saint Paul to preach to the gentiles that had become idolaters, occultists, or some kind of unrighteous worshipers, which is very visible in many passages of his epistles, such as the following one:

Galatians 5:1-4 "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."

here is how He exhorted the believers in Christ from galatia not to follow again the worse tradition of the then jews' religion, which means some of them already followed it before that, but were dedicated to the faith of Christ, and then some of them again considered to do it again

of course, by saying these things, i do not mean He did not preach to disbelievers who were interested in the faith of Christ, because there were also such followers among the gentiles

When the unseen arena comes to play, then things like the MARK OF THE BEAST have entirely different sights that are NOT necessarily 'linked' to MAN only, NOR do such Marks have to be seen.

The people of the O.T., fleshly in their sights, thought to wear Gods Words on the outside, in paper wrappings on their forehead and their hands, call phylacteries. Obviously, in the spiritual senses, that really didn't make much sense whatsoever.

Romans 10:8
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

It is this same Word, that divides us from our enemies, within.

the comments on this are unnecessary when the world is still full of millions or maybe billions of angles of satan, spiritual servants of the "beast", great idolatrous worshipers, threatening occultists, even unrighteous believers ostensibly in Christ, but actually in another Christ(2 Cor 11:4), etc. who even do not intend to repent enough as it should be, and there are still no enough true preachers, because here is how such persons are disesteemed, hated, slandered and persecuted

Blessings

 

[smaller]

the fanatic attitude, treatment and behavior cannot surprise me, but who actually hurried to slander another here - not your posts to me were edited by a moderator?!, so, in the time of Jesus and His 12 Apostles as well as further back in time there were also persons that slandered true Saints/Prophets in a similar way

If you heard ANY condemnation from me to you I'd suggest a re-tune.

after you know the holy wrestle is internal, cast the inanimate devilish spirits out of you and your brothers/neighbors in case you believe rightly (enough) in That Who really is the true Lord God at all, and do not rush into making war against imaginary opponents

Imaginary? I'd consider Jesus' engagement of Satan was entirely genuine, as is the character of Satan, even if he's unseen. It is a bit unusual though that we have an entire cadre of physically unseen characters deployed in the scriptural narratives. Makes it much more fascinating to understand.

- i am just a human like many others, and i am here not to intrigue/duel with someone else here, but to bear certain witness about God and the faith according as it is given to me by That Who really is the true Lord God - i say this because i noticed a strange behavior to me on your part, and you insinuated that you (i quote) "arouse and disturb and enrage and even empower" your adversary, so if you think i am your adversary, then know that i am not your "windmill", neither your sancho panza

Again, I'd suggest a closer read. I said nothing of the sort, but did cite some scripture to that regard, of the power of the law in provocation of our MUTUAL adversaries, thinking perhaps, that you actually understood some of the principles deployed in the scriptures on these matters. Apparently that wasn't the case.

how do you say Jesus and the true Saints do not wrestle against satan and its kingdom of spiritual iniquity/lawlessness?!,

I said EXACTLY that! Are we having a language problem here?

 

[JCitoL]

even if i don't know, God knows the thoughts, the intentions/plans, and the works/deeds of every human being

Blessings

 

[john darling]

the biblical words "buy" and "sell" in Revelation 13:17 mean to receive/have and give grace

I'm still waiting for an explanation to this comment. What scriptural evidence do you have to support this interpretation about the meaning of "buy" and "sell"? Can you show some other instances of these words being used in a context which does not mean to buy and sell?

because the money are well-known to most people of the world, and they know everything about the money, and in this regard no one can lie the people just like that,

As humans with a "heart which is deceitful above all things" (Jerimiah 17:9), we lie to ourselves regularly. Probably the most significant lie with regard to money is the lie that we cannot live without it, or that it somehow makes life better.

The lie which will cause people to take the Mark flows on from this. Because people believe they cannot live without money, they will not see a problem with any advances in the area of buying/selling. So, when money changes over from physical cash to digital cash (i.e. electronic banking via microchip technology) they will choose to believe it has nothing to do with the Mark, even when the evolution of cash moves towards microchip implants in the hand. They will always have some reason for why the Mark must be something other than buying/selling.

"Money makes the world go round". So, I agree with you that money is well known to the people. It has become so well known that it is unbelievable to most people that God could have a problem with our dependence on it.

Farmers regularly destroy portions of their crop because if they flooded the market with everything they grow the price would drop and they would not make as much money. So, the starving family continues to starve, not because there isn't enough food, but because they don't have the money to buy the food. Life becomes better for the person who makes the profit, because they can then go on to buy other things which they enjoy, but for those who don't have the money? Life is not better for them.

But the farmers aren't bad guys. If you were to talk to the farmers, they would argue that they are just trying to "earn a living", but in our current monetary system they can only do that by making a profit. And they can only make a profit by taking in more than they put out. The whole system is built around people believing the lie that they can only survive if they take from others. It's completely opposite to the kingdom of Heaven.

This is the spiritual lesson behind the Mark; work for God's kingdom of love vs man's system of greed. It is one final effort by God to reach the people on this issue. He shows us where the Mark will be placed (head/hand) and what the purpose of the Mark will be (to control buying/selling).

because they have found this to be most fair way for compensation, or would you prefer to work hard and then receive only one lunch and one dinner per day and nothing more as a remuneration for the work done, while your colleagues or employers/masters (can) afford/have much more (than you) for not working anything only because they are big shots or smart asses?!, so here is how the money cannot be avoided by every human and does not interfere with anyone:

 

[JCitoL]

I'm still waiting for an explanation to this comment. What scriptural evidence do you have to support this interpretation about the meaning of "buy" and "sell"? Can you show some other instances of these words being used in a context which does not mean to buy and sell?

As humans with a "heart which is deceitful above all things" (Jerimiah 17:9), we lie to ourselves regularly. Probably the most significant lie with regard to money is the lie that we cannot live without it, or that it somehow makes life better.

The lie which will cause people to take the Mark flows on from this. Because people believe they cannot live without money, they will not see a problem with any advances in the area of buying/selling. So, when money changes over from physical cash to digital cash (i.e. electronic banking via microchip technology) they will choose to believe it has nothing to do with the Mark, even when the evolution of cash moves towards microchip implants in the hand. They will always have some reason for why the Mark must be something other than buying/selling.

"Money makes the world go round". So, I agree with you that money is well known to the people. It has become so well known that it is unbelievable to most people that God could have a problem with our dependence on it.

Farmers regularly destroy portions of their crop because if they flooded the market with everything they grow the price would drop and they would not make as much money. So, the starving family continues to starve, not because there isn't enough food, but because they don't have the money to buy the food. Life becomes better for the person who makes the profit, because they can then go on to buy other things which they enjoy, but for those who don't have the money? Life is not better for them.

But the farmers aren't bad guys. If you were to talk to the farmers, they would argue that they are just trying to "earn a living", but in our current monetary system they can only do that by making a profit. And they can only make a profit by taking in more than they put out. The whole system is built around people believing the lie that they can only survive if they take from others. It's completely opposite to the kingdom of Heaven.

This is the spiritual lesson behind the Mark; work for God's kingdom of love vs man's system of greed. It is one final effort by God to reach the people on this issue. He shows us where the Mark will be placed (head/hand) and what the purpose of the Mark will be (to control buying/selling).

you want more and more evidence, but as if even do not try to penetrate the faith so that you might win the confidence of the true God to give you to understand His secret things - faith means reliance on That Who really is the true Lord God, while the reliance on human testimonies may easily turn out to be hoopla and pother and even digression(s)

here are more examples of the spiritual meaning of the biblical words "buy" and "sell":

Matthew 13:44 "the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.",

Matthew 21:12-13 "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers(i.e. of the cashiers that sold (ostensibly) holy services performed by the relevant jews/pharisees there), and the seats of them that sold doves(i.e. that sold occult services for pacification performed by certain esotericists among the jews), And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves(i.e. a devilish den)."

here(as to the last passage) the money is really a critical factor, because if the holy services are performed only for (a lot of) money/against (a solid) payment, then only the rich will be able to afford them, while the poor will not and so they will be kind of doomed to suffer, etc.

remember Romans 5:12-14 how it is written that the sin entered into the world by one man, and the death by the sin, and it affected all people, but when eve and adam sinned in the beginning, they did not buy and sell anything as to the literal sense of these words, because there had even been no money in the beginning, neither buying and selling in the literal sense of the words, and what do the money itself so cause to you that you even cannot think/reason normally, after the money is just an inanimate object that cannot do/make anything by itself?! - the belief that the money is a problem of itself is actually a silly suggestion - don't be lost in the jungle of the human speculations and misbeliefs

Blessings

 

[reba]

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[ezrider]

I'm still waiting for an explanation to this comment. What scriptural evidence do you have to support this interpretation about the meaning of "buy" and "sell"? Can you show some other instances of these words being used in a context which does not mean to buy and sell?

Don't you trade in a commodity that is far greater than any money in this world, and it is a commodity that your money simply can not purchase, for it is freely given.

I am speaking of the Blood of Christ.

 

[john darling]

Don't you trade in a commodity that is far greater than any money in this world, and it is a commodity that your money simply can not purchase, for it is freely given.

Hi Ezrider. I'm not sure I understand your meaning. Would you mind clarifying? Thanks. Also, how are you relating it to the topic of the Mark of the Beast? Do you have anything to share about the "buying and selling" part of the Mark prophecy?

 

[smaller]

even if i don't know, God knows the thoughts, the intentions/plans, and the works/deeds of every human being

Blessings

I'm going to presume, that since you speak a lot about chakras and that side of the coin, that perhaps you are not of native english language, and whatever translation devices you might be using aren't getting it done between us. I had no disagreements with your sights, for the most part. So I hope you're translating properly.

and of course

Blessings.