How to become a submissive wife?

[reba]

Your right that God cannot force someone to choose Him, but as you said when the unbeliever lives with a godly loving spouse, they are more likely to see God's goodness and turn their lives over to Christ. And the hope that you speak of is what keeps a godly woman praying for the man that she loves. God knows the pain that the children could experience if the family is split up, only seeing their daddy or mommy ever other weekend. And God knows that the devil is trying to destroy the sanctity of marriage. So i believe that He will intervene on behalf of the praying spouse.

But one has to walk in Love and forgiveness. That is the key

Blessings Deborah!

been 51 years He could hurry up a bit...

 

[reba]

But we don't need to be miserable, there is a joy in the Lord that cannot be taken away. And I don't see how a spouse can stand in the away of us having a relationship with the Lord, no matter how bad it is, even in the cases of serious abuse.

Agree....

 

[Cturtle]

I look at many women and say, "Ya, they have faith of a onion", so explaining to them to forgive, and set their feelings aside, not be moved by the natural and speak the Word only is like fairy tail

Brother Mike as i re read your post, it appears to me that the above quote is your blocker. You have doubt that God is able to help these women. And it breaks my heart, because i know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you wish that you could just do it all for them. But we can't. We are just her to say what God says, build their faith, (even if we have to say the same thing over and over again till it sinks in) and then trust God to do the rest. I know it is hard to leave people in God's hands, but it's not up to us...it is up to God. We are her to teach and sow the seeds. GOD does the watering.

 

[Cturtle]

been 51 years He could hurry up a bit...

I have been praying too for him. And won't stop either!

 

[reba]

When St John was boiled in oil he kept his faith

 

[Deborah13]

And the hope that you speak of is what keeps a godly woman praying for the man that she loves.

A woman who has faith and wants to do everything the Lord wants her to do prays, for the man she no longer loves. That love has died so she loves him as anyone else, as the Lord commands to love (agape) and continues to hope that he will see the truth and the love she had will be rekindled.
That means love in action no matter how one feels.

 

[Deborah13]

When St John was boiled in oil he kept his faith

Once he was in there he didn't have much of a choice but to have faith.
But I remember Paul running away once when his life was in danger, it wasn't his time yet to die.
Martyrs for the faith. They couldn't get out of it without publicly rejecting that faith. Even now there are those who are called to this death.

 

[Brother Mike]

Brother Mike as i re read your post, it appears to me that the above quote is your blocker. You have doubt that God is able to help these women. And it breaks my heart, because i know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you wish that you could just do it all for them. But we can't. We are just her to say what God says, build their faith, (even if we have to say the same thing over and over again till it sinks in) and then trust God to do the rest. I know it is hard to leave people in God's hands, but it's not up to us...it is up to God. We are her to teach and sow the seeds. GOD does the watering.

You and Deborah are not grasping fully what I am saying. More likely my fault for not explaining it better. If we agree with God, there is nothing on the Planet that will stop him from Helping us. God is not the issue here, or what I think about God concerning this matter.

Now your right about one thing, If I could do for them, I would. That goes for everyone else though that needs God, and needs him to do something right now or it don't end well.

Now a Women that does what the Word says do, does not mention the Word (Peter) submits, and refuses to get bitter all the while believing for her Husband. The guy gets fixed, the guy dies, or the guy ignores God, His heart get's colder and he walks out. You don't mess with God's daughters.

The realm of the spirit is very sensitive, you can't budge or take a day to feel sorry for yourself and fall apart. It don't work that way if that is what is going on every other week. At some point you have to get it settled, take your stand and believe, not moving.

Well, the Majority of the people are not like that when you meet them. As a Pastor I took on Marriage consoling, but it soon became clear to me that both sides really just wanted me to side with one or the other. Neither will do what you say do, but they sure want to talk a whole lot, even if it's calls at 3:am.

The majority do not want help, they just say they do. Take the two posters in this thread. You mention having to focus on the Word, and they don't respond back anymore. You tell them that letting a root of bitterness grow is not going o get you any victory, the just stop posting because they feel they have a right to be bitter and if the other spouse changed then everything will be just fine.

My friend Nicole here (Under her fake stage name) loves to call and tell me just how hard it is dealing with a Husband that does not want kids, and just does not get her plan of God for her life. It's been like this with Nicole through all the guys all these years.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Alana-de-la-Cruz/1472230243053438?notif_t=page_new_likes

She won't listen, but she does like to talk.

One case I had ended bad. I got the 10 year old's dog after he died, she could not bare to keep the dog. Had she just listened to God, it would have been all different.

Long enough........... Thank you for reading this far.

Mike.

 

[Deborah13]

Now your right about one thing, If I could do for them, I would. That goes for everyone else though that needs God, and needs him to do something right now or it don't end well.

If you want to know about women/men who are abused by their spouse you have to know what these types of abusers are like, their psychology. They are Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Many times the spouse that is being abused does not talk about it at all, they hide it because it is shameful and they truly believe it is their fault that they are abused. This is especially true among Christians. If I just submit better and love him more he'll stop beating me. They pray and pray, God show me what I need to do.
If you want to know, which you should, not just because you counsel but for the sake of your children, go and talk to a victim's advocate at your local woman's resource center. Most of them are very compassionate people with lots of knowledge. They always have materials for free to help someone identify an abuser before ones gets in too deep to get out.

Now a Women that does what the Word says do, does not mention the Word (Peter) submits, and refuses to get bitter all the while believing for her Husband. The guy gets fixed, the guy dies, or the guy ignores God, His heart get's colder and he walks out. You don't mess with God's daughters.

These abusers don't walk out, they have exactly what they sought out so they have no reason to leave.

 

[Brother Mike]

If you want to know about women/men who are abused by their spouse you have to know what these types of abusers are like, their psychology. They are Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Many times the spouse that is being abused does not talk about it at all, they hide it because it is shameful and they truly believe it is their fault that they are abused. This is especially true among Christians. If I just submit better and love him more he'll stop beating me. They pray and pray, God show me what I need to do.
If you want to know, which you should, not just because you counsel but for the sake of your children, go and talk to a victim's advocate at your local woman's resource center. Most of them are very compassionate people with lots of knowledge. They always have materials for free to help someone identify an abuser before ones gets in too deep to get out.

These abusers don't walk out, they have exactly what they sought out so they have no reason to leave.

I said, if a women believes God and obey's, They die, walk out, or change. If there is any form of physical abuse, the women is the one that needs to walk out A.S.A.P.

My post are not about wife beaters. The Women should have no part with a man that hits on her. Any women that does, needs her head examined, if she goes back for 2nd's.

Also I am not sure if your saying that if there are Children, then the women should endure abuse in a different way? Like stay longer if the Children are not in danger?

Anything that would hinder the plan of God in someone's life needs removed.

Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
(Heb 12:1)

The expression "Ball and Chain" come to mind here.

Blessings.

 

[reba]

Over look the verbiage used...

Mike you strongly believe in 'faith healing" yet you would have a spouse walk out on a marriage? where is your faith?

 

[Cturtle]

, If we agree with God, there is nothing on the Planet that will stop him from Helping us. God is not the issue here, or what I think about God concerning this matter.

Now your right about one thing, If I could do for them, I would. That goes for everyone else though that needs God, and needs him to do something right now or it don't end well.

The majority do not want help, they just say they do. Take the two posters in this thread. You mention having to focus on the Word, and they don't respond back anymore. You tell them that letting a root of bitterness grow is not going o get you any victory, the just stop posting because they feel they have a right to be bitter and if the other spouse changed then everything will be just fine Mike.

Thank you for sharing your experiences. And i do see that you have a good heart. And i agree with you about what and how some people deal with things...they just want to talk, not do. But ultimately that is between God and them. As the old saying you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make them drink.

But one thing i disagree with is that the two posters, are not listening, and have not responded due to having to rely on God. We have no idea why they have not responded so to make that assumption is speaking what you do not know. For all we know they are truly praying and seeking the Lord. As you have said before many times we really have to watch what we say...our words are very important.

Our job is to point them to the Lord, and if they are in immenent danger, then point them to a safe place to get help. And in my opinion pray in faith, that God will handle the rest. When i pray, i believe that God will lead and guide, in grace and truth, and peace. So that is what we should be teaching. This is not about us. It's about God and what He can do. So as we intercede and pray in faith for the people that we come in contact with, it opens the doors for God's intervention. We know the Word. And know that God desires to see these women living a wonderful safe life. So that is how we pray in faith. God can move mountains. And as we trust Him to move those mountains, it frees Him up to do the works.

Blessings brother mike

 

[Cturtle]

I said, if a women believes God and obey's, They die, walk out, or change. If there is any form of physical abuse, the women is the one that needs to walk out A.S.A.P.

My post are not about wife beaters. The Women should have no part with a man that hits on her. Any women that does, needs her head examined, if she goes back for 2nd's.

Also I am not sure if your saying that if there are Children, then the women should endure abuse in a different way? Like stay longer if the Children are not in danger?

Anything that would hinder the plan of God in someone's life needs removed.

Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
(Heb 12:1)

The expression "Ball and Chain" come to mind here.

Blessings.

I have to agree with reba. You say things one way, then you make comments that seem as if your real thinking is the other way. Seems kind of odd to me.

 

[Cturtle]

I said, if a women believes God and obey's, They die

This quote above is what i am talking about. You preach faith, but your own words say you don't believe that God is able to save the one who obey's God.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Over look the verbiage used...

Mike you strongly believe in 'faith healing" yet you would have a spouse walk out on a marriage? where is your faith?

(I've been wanting to pop in here every time I see it in the recent threads list.)

Paula White walked out of her marriage after so many years of preaching how the impossible happens when we have faith. The amazing thing is she still has people following her.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Bring me up to speed......what's the consensus on how a woman becomes a submissive wife?

 

[reba]

as unto the Lord.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

as unto the Lord.

How does that look, practically speaking?

I'm asking before I offer my two cents on the topic from the viewpoint of a husband.

 

[reba]

1Pe 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
1Pe 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
1Pe 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

 

[Brother Mike]

Thank you for sharing your experiences. And i do see that you have a good heart. And i agree with you about what and how some people deal with things...they just want to talk, not do. But ultimately that is between God and them. As the old saying you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make them drink.

But one thing i disagree with is that the two posters, are not listening, and have not responded due to having to rely on God. We have no idea why they have not responded so to make that assumption is speaking what you do not know. For all we know they are truly praying and seeking the Lord. As you have said before many times we really have to watch what we say...our words are very important.

Our job is to point them to the Lord, and if they are in immenent danger, then point them to a safe place to get help. And in my opinion pray in faith, that God will handle the rest. When i pray, i believe that God will lead and guide, in grace and truth, and peace. So that is what we should be teaching. This is not about us. It's about God and what He can do. So as we intercede and pray in faith for the people that we come in contact with, it opens the doors for God's intervention. We know the Word. And know that God desires to see these women living a wonderful safe life. So that is how we pray in faith. God can move mountains. And as we trust Him to move those mountains, it frees Him up to do the works.

Blessings brother mike

For all we know, it could be anything. However, nobody has seen anything of discerning value and desired to make one's life better and have not been excited to obtain, and with anticipation wait for the next change at it.

So, something of value such as our post would anticipate a immediate response. If no value is seen, then of course there won't be a response.

A Mother and a daughter both just messed up at a church I was pastoring at always wanted prayer for the same things, week in and week out. They came to me of course as they were part of the Night service and I took care of the day (Unless called to do night also)

Me and the Head pastor were going on a two hour trip to check out another church and their drug program. This Mother and Daughter wanted to come along, so the Head pastor let them. I choose to sit in the back of the van with them and the whole time they talked about shopping. I just sat and listened.

At the church, I took notes, and talked to the head Pastor, I wanted to know what He know about this program. The two girls who said they wanted to learn having drug issues themselves thought it best to grab other girls and talk about, you guessed it. Shopping.

on the way back the head pastor and I talked about all we learned to start our own program. The two girls decided it was time to take a nap on the say back.

Not one question, and they had me for 4 hours. I spent all day praying for wisdom that would set them free, had things from the Lord to tell them and even though they got a chance to have one on one........... Shopping was valued more.

I have to agree with reba. You say things one way, then you make comments that seem as if your real thinking is the other way. Seems kind of odd to me.

That don't happen. You think I am thinking one way, limited by the ability of expression the forum provides. What I say, is what I mean and think.

Now Deborah for example mentioned twice kids and women that get beat. I never thought about women getting beat, as those women ought to not put up with that. I see now that in Deborah's mind that is also what I was talking about as it was in her mind. So if I answered her without women getting beat on my mind, but on her mind then the answer would come off strange as we both did not know what each other was thinking.
That is normally what happens.

This quote above is what i am talking about. You preach faith, but your own words say you don't believe that God is able to save the one who obey's God.

I never said one time someone that trust God does it ever end in failure. I say the opposite. Nobody has trusted God, and obeyed him and has not gotten the victory now in this time on earth, and the time to come. Not one person.

However, I see you quoted part of what i said... "THEY DIE" I was responding to Deborah and I was not taking about the people that trust God. The people that touch the Lord's anointed and want to do us harm. They can die.

Bring me up to speed......what's the consensus on how a woman becomes a submissive wife?

She must wear chains and fetch us beer. My wife has yet to learn either of these. Someone talk to her for me, please!!!