How to defend the trinity!

[OzSpen]

The Godhead -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are eternal, i.e., beyond time.

Was Elohim singular or plural in Gen 1:1 (ESV)?

 

[JLB]

I've answered that question but you haven't dealt with the bibliology of the KJV, NKJV and Textus Receptus.

Oz

What is your answer to the question I asked, because never answered me?


Do you believe the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One?

Yes or No?

 

[Walpole]

Is Elohim of Gen 1:1 singular or plural?

It is plural, which means more than one. Thus plural can mean two, three, four, five, ten, a hundred...a thousand.

 

[OzSpen]

What is your answer to the question I asked, because never answered me?


Do you believe the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One?

Yes or No?

There is one God in 3 persons,God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. See my brief exposition:

It is plural, which means more than one. Thus plural can mean two, three, four, five, ten, a hundred...a thousand.

We know from the biblical context that it means three in one.

 

[OzSpen]

It is plural, which means more than one. Thus plural can mean two, three, four, five, ten, a hundred...a thousand.

Not in biblical Christianity!

 

[D-D-W]

Different movement...

Don't trust Wikipedia since it is crowd sourced and goes with popular opinion. My congregation is part of what Rabbi Cohn started in the 1890s. How can it be a "different movement?"

 

[D-D-W]

Yes, they (Trinitarians) are exclusive to the NT. If you believe otherwise, please provide a name of an OT prophet who taught God is One in Three Persons.

Not a single prophet; but you can take 2 and put them together. In Daniel chapter 7 we see the "Ancient of Days" which is the Father and the "Son of Man" presented to Him. Son of Man is described in Deity terms, making Him a divine being.

In Psalm 51.11 David (whom Peter said was a prophet in Acts 2) asked the Father " ....do not take Your Holy Spirit from me." Clearly David saw that the Holy Spirit was something or someone that the Father could give or remove; meaning it was separate from Himself.

Between those 2 sources you have Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Trinity.

 

[JLB]

There is one God in 3 persons,

Your statement is opposed to what scripture teaches.

It says these three are one.

It doesn't say this one is three.



JLB

 

[Walpole]

Not in biblical Christianity!

Exactly. Not in biblical Christianity.

The Trinity is a uniquely Christian belief.

 

[Walpole]

Not a single prophet; but you can take 2 and put them together. In Daniel chapter 7 we see the "Ancient of Days" which is the Father and the "Son of Man" presented to Him. Son of Man is described in Deity terms, making Him a divine being.

In Psalm 51.11 David (whom Peter said was a prophet in Acts 2) asked the Father " ....do not take Your Holy Spirit from me." Clearly David saw that the Holy Spirit was something or someone that the Father could give or remove; meaning it was separate from Himself.

Between those 2 sources you have Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Trinity.

Once again, the Trinity is a uniquely Christian belief. Thank you for affirming no prophet taught God is a Trinity of Persons. If they did, Jews would be Trinitarians. As I am sure you are aware, the idea that God is Three Persons is anathema to Jews.

The Trinity was revealed when God became man in the Person of Jesus Christ.

 

[Walpole]

Don't trust Wikipedia since it is crowd sourced and goes with popular opinion. My congregation is part of what Rabbi Cohn started in the 1890s. How can it be a "different movement?"

Ok, even if we go with 1890, that's still a long way away from Abraham and first century Christianity.

 

[Walpole]

There is one God in 3 persons,God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. See my brief exposition:


We know from the biblical context that it means three in one.

Again, plural simply means more than one. What Old Testament context do you get three?

If that is the case, can you provide one single OT prophet who taught God is One in Three Persons?

 

[D-D-W]

Again, plural simply means more than one. What Old Testament context do you get three?
If that is the case, can you provide one single OT prophet who taught God is One in Three Persons?

Why is having a single Hebrew prophet stating that important? I have shown you in the text that it does not violate what was written in the OT scriptures.
Why is it important that it be a strictly NT doctrine?

 

[Walpole]

Why is having a single Hebrew prophet stating that important? I have shown you in the text that it does not violate what was written in the OT scriptures.
Why is it important that it be a strictly NT doctrine?

In order to demonstrate that the Trinity is a uniquely Christian belief.

(I presumed you had been following this thread.)

 

[jaybo]

Was Elohim singular or plural in Gen 1:1 (ESV)?

Plural. So what's your point?

 

[jaybo]

Your statement is opposed to what scripture teaches.

It says these three are one.

It doesn't say this one is three.



JLB

What's the difference? Three people -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- are one Godhead; one Godhead is comprised of three people.

 

[D-D-W]

In order to demonstrate that the Trinity is a uniquely Christian belief.
(I presumed you had been following this thread.)

So why does have to be a "uniquely Christian belief?" What would be the result of it NOT being uniquely christian?

I said I came into the thread late.

 

[Walpole]

So why does have to be a "uniquely Christian belief?" What would be the result of it NOT being uniquely christian?

I said I came into the thread late.

Some are posters are positing that Jews actually believe in the Trinity. Some posters are citing Genesis 1:1 as support.

However, the reality is no Jewish prophet ever taught God is a Trinity of Persons. The thought of God being Three Persons is anathema to Jews. That God is Three Persons is a uniquely Christian belief, revealed by the Person of Jesus Christ.

The OP asked how one defends the Trinity using Scripture alone. I posited you cannot arrive at an orthodox Trinitarian theology using sola Scriptura. It took the Church hundreds of years to formulate its understanding of the Trinity.

 

[D-D-W]

Some are posters are positing that Jews actually believe in the Trinity. Some posters are citing Genesis 1:1 as support.

You have 3 different issues there. I will deal only with this one.

MOST (not all) Messianic Jews believe in the Trinity.
Are you saying they (in your opinion) are no longer Jews? On what basis?

 

[jaybo]

I was born into a Jewish family (both parents), was Bar-Mitzvah, then became a Christian. I am a Jew and a Christian, just like the NT authors (except Luke?) and the early disciples. Just as Paul was both a Jew and a Christian.