How to live the Holy Life

[jaybo]

"falling away"........ the great "apostasy".

Most teach this the same way its been taught for 150 yrs.

I dont teach it like that to my students, i teach it like this..... =The great apostasy is the "falling from GRACE" that has infected most of Christianity, whereby, nearly all of it is now become : LEGALISM.
Thats the "great apostasy" that has occurred and drives "christiandom" at this point at the end of the time of the gentiles.
Its "apostasy" FROM the Grace of God.

Do you go to church?
Do you lead worship or teach SSchool, or similar?
You should take a quiet poll of people in your church, or on any christian forum in this world, as im on them all or have been.

Just ask them...>"do you believe you can lose your salvation". ?

And you will find that almost every "believer" you can find, will say some sort of "yes", answer.
And what is that? That is lack of FAITH that CHRIST keeps them saved. That is "apostasy" from Faith in CHRIST. That is apostasy from the Grace of God.
So, when a person believes they can "lose it", its because they do not TRUST IN CHRIST to Keep it.

They read this verse......"God, who started salvation in all the born again, will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL to COMPLETE IT">
And they read this one...."Looking to JESUS, the author and finisher of our Faith".. And they reply....."uh huh, now, let me talk to you about enduring to the end, and keeping commandments and law, so that you can try to keep yourself saved.... = Now GET UP ON THAT CROSS !!

Thats the reality Check you will find in 100% of Christian forums and at least 60% of all denominations.
See, most denominations teach that you can lose your salvation, (ask any Catholic for example) which is actually teaching that you have to keep yourself saved, which is to deny the Grace of GOD and refute the Cross of Christ.
See that "Apostasy"? That is "falling from Grace" into Legalism.
Legalism is "self saving".
Legalism is...>"here is what i have to do to STAY SAVED".
What is missing in that self saving theology? = Jesus and the Cross.
Welcome to Body of Christ "Apostasy", just before the Grt Trib Strts.

I am dropping out of this conversation. The church of which I was an elder until I retired and the previous churches that I attended, as well as other Christians that I personally know, don't fall under your umbrella of condemnation.

You can go on and on and on .. but you're wrong. Romans 5:1, "Therefore, since we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

 

[Bethel]

You say;
most believers
almost every believer
100%
60%
You have no idea what you are talking about!

I know exactly what im talking about.
I teach on both sides of this world and i have been on all the forums.
I know.
Believe it.

 

[Bethel]

I am dropping out of this conversation. The church of which I was an elder until I retired and the previous churches that I attended, as well as other Christians that I personally know, don't fall under your umbrella of condemnation.

Im not doubting your experience, but, i am doubting that you were aware regarding what im showing you.
You dont seem to be a person who believes you can lose your salvation., or at least you have not tried to argue that we have to keep commandments and endure to the end, and be sure not to "willfully sin", to stay saved.
So, good for you.
If that is indeed your case, then you are in such a minority, an incredible minority....even on this forum.
But i'll let you discover that, now that you will be able to notice.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I know exactly what im talking about.
I teach on both sides of this world and i have been on all the forums.
I know.
Believe it.

What took you so long to come to our forum?

 

[Bethel]

What took you so long to come to our forum?

Ive been busy on all the other forums, and traveling, and of course, doing actual Ministry not related to being online.
What i do, is go to 3- 4 forums at once, and work with them, until the work is done.
If the forum is blazingly legalistic and anti-Cross, then its difficult for me to not get banned.

Its the same principle when preaching to a group .... You preach to them all, you teach them all, but its only a few that will receive the light and become changed. Its a process, and you can't make it faster, you can only deliver the truth.
God takes it from there.
Its the same for Him.. He always provides the Cross and the opportunity, but, its only some who come each day.

As you know, i write a lot, so, most other forums im on have more members than this one that are active in the conversations.
It can be that i'll respond to 60-100 posts on one forum each day, before i go to the next, and this takes hours of work, because i try to use each post as a teaching opportunity, and i try my best for each person.
So....I have time set aside for forums, and some of them, eat most of my fourm time.
I usually have 40-100 Threads going on a fourm by the end of the 4th week.
The 2 ive worked the hardest on this year are.....>"ChristianityBoard"< and Chirstiandforums.com. Both are tragically legalistic, and hyper-calvanistic, with Christianforums.com having some of the worst Cross offenders ive ever met in 30+ yrs of ministry. That one is serious theological poison for any real Christian, and if you are weak in your faith, they will eat you alive and have you up on the Cross in one day, thinking you just lost your salvation.

On this one i have about 8-10 Threads posted, as im only here about a week.
Regarding that......what i do is assess the Mods behavior, as this shows me the prevalent theology that exists on any given forum,...especially the level of legalism...... as Mods will allow what they believe to remain, and what they dont believe, they ban.
Thats how forums actually function., and they are all exactly like this, all of them.
So, i listen to them carefully, as this discerns for me what type forum im on, and then i cater my Threads according to the need of a particular forum, based on what the Mods believe and allow to be the forums prevailing theology.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Ive been busy on all the other forums, and traveling, and of course, doing actual Ministry not related to being online.
What i do, is go to 3- 4 forums at once, and work with them, until the work is done.
If the forum is blazingly legalistic and anti-Cross, then its difficult for me to not get banned.

Its the same principle when preaching to a group .... You preach to them all, you teach them all, but its only a few that will receive the light and become changed. Its a process, and you can't make it faster, you can only deliver the truth.
God takes it from there.
Its the same for Him.. He always provides the Cross and the opportunity, but, its only some who come each day.

As you know, i write a lot, so, most other forums im on have more members than this one that are active in the conversations.
It can be that i'll respond to 60-100 posts on one forum each day, before i go to the next, and this takes hours of work, because i try to use each post as a teaching opportunity, and i try my best for each person.
So....I have time set aside for forums, and some of them, eat most of my fourm time.
I usually have 40-100 Threads going on a fourm by the end of the 4th week.
On this one i have about 8-10, as im only here about a week.
Regarding that......what i do is assess the Mods behavior, as this shows me the prevalent theology that exists on any given forum,...especially the level of legalism...... as Mods will allow what they believe to remain, and what they dont believe, they ban.
Thats how forums actually function., and they are all exactly like this, all of them.
So, i listen to them carefully, as this discerns for me what type forum im on, and then i cater my Threads according to the need of a particular forum, based on what the Mods believe and allow to be the forums prevailing theology.

Now you are getting interesting.
What have you found so far?

 

[hawkman]

Just ask them...>"do you believe you can lose your salvation". ?

Ok I agree that we can't lose our salvation . But will we be fit for the Kingdom of God ?

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

 

[Bethel]

Ok I agree that we can't lose our salvation . But will we be fit for the Kingdom of God ?

Thank you for this question, as what i'll show you is so important that you understand, as its the core of redemption.

The KOG is a Spiritual Kingdom that exists as "righteousness, peace and joy, in the Holy Spirit",

"IN= THE Holy Spirit"..
The Holy Spirit lives in all the Born again., as "Christ in you, the hope of Glory".

Paul teaches that the born again have been....."Translated FROM......darkness......>TO Light".
Jesus is the LIGHT of the World, and all the born again are "children of THE Light".
See that Spiritual Transformation? That is how you exist in the KOG, which is a Spiritual Kingdom.

Let me show you that transformation, literally,.... and i probably will post a Thread about this, eventually.
Christ said....>"you, are of your father THE Devil, and the lusts of YOUR Father, you will do".
That is Jesus describing everyone who is not born again.

See, there are 2 Spiritual Fathers.

God and Satan

God is the HOLY Spirit, and Satan is the unholy Spirit.

1.) To stop being a son of Satan, is to be born again as a Child of God.
If you are not born again, then you will die as a child of the devil.
This is why Jesus told you, "you must be born again"., and He's not talking about WATER baptism.
See, the "new birth" is to CHANGE Spiritual FATHER's,....... and once you do, you now exit spiritually joined with the Holy one, vs, being a Christ rejecting son of the unholy father.

2.) Hell and the Lake of Fire are created for the "devil and HIS angels"... yet, the unbelievers go to HELL and the lake of fire, ALSO.
Why?
Because the born again, go to THEIR Father, who is in Heaven, and the Christ Rejectors, end up with THEIR Father.

 

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[Rollo Tamasi]

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I'm not that type of guy.
I take care of my own business.

 

[Bethel]

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

The wonder of salvation, is that we are made worthy of heaven.
That is the power of the blood of Jesus, when it is applied to us, as the Blood Atonement.
There IS eternal Power in the Blood.

 

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[JLB]

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[hawkman]

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

And you said .

The wonder of salvation, is that we are made worthy of heaven.
That is the power of the blood of Jesus, when it is applied to us, as the Blood Atonement.
There IS eternal Power in the Blood.

What do you think Jesus is telling us in the verse Luke 9:62 ?

 

[Bethel]

And you said .

What do you think Jesus is telling us in the verse Luke 9:62 ?

Let me show you a "KEY" to the bible.
Its a few, but they are all one key.

God says, to "study to show yourself approved, to God".
To study the bible, is not to read it...... but its to "rightly divide it", like this..>"the word of God is Spiritually Discerned".
This means that the bible's words are "spirit and truth", and you dont read them to get the LIGHT, ... you discern them to receive the REVELATION.
See that?

"""the natural man, (thats the carnal mind) receives NOT the things of God, as they are Spiritually Discerned".

So, here is something that you have to understand, before you can begin to apply it.

1. ) Not all verses in the bible are aimed at the born again christian....some are talking to unbelievers and jews and greeks, etc.

2.) Verses in the bible are......symbolic, literal, parable, and allegory, and you have to understand this, or you will apply them all as literal and that leads you to heresy.

3.) Jesus who is the WORD, is the revealer of the word of God. Jesus lives IN the born again, and He teaches revelation to your Spirit Man by opening the "eyes of your enlightenment", regarding the meaning of the word of God, as you study it, to rightly divide it.

4.) a real teacher, sent from God, has been taught all this, and you always know one is real based on 2 things

1.) they will never try to replace the Cross with commandments or self effort.

2.) You'll notice that when you hear them, you have these moments....."oh i see that...i SEE THAT....I SEE IT"< and yet, you never did before while sitting in a church for 1- 50 yrs. So... thats the anointing that a real teacher has that causes the Light of the word to "pop" when you hear them teach. Those are revelation moments.
Only the Spirit of God working through a real teacher can cause this to happen to you.

Let me give you a warning, reader.
Satan knows everything i just told you, and he will come as ""a angel of light" and his deceivers will be "Ministers of righteousness"....They will talk about "christian stuff", about salvation, but they will never give Christ alone all Credit due Him for saving you and keeping you saved.
They will always teach that you can lose your salvation, and are to try to keep yourself saved, and that Christ only began you salvation.
Learn to see them, by hearing their false Gospel, as that is their MINISTRY.

Now, here is a very specific key you have to understand.
The bible is a progressive revelation.....>Its God showing you the beginning , the middle, and all the way to the end of TIME. And in this revelation, you notice that God changes how He deals with Man.
For example, during Moses time, you had no "time of the gentiles".
During Abraham's time, you had no Cross of Christ.
And right now, you have no Great Trib, but it coming soon.....

What does this mean? What is the key? The Key is...... All verses that occurred before the Cross of Christ, have to be realized and discerned in the LIGHT of the CROSS.
Why.. because God made some big changes when he shut off the old covenant, and started the new.