How to walk by the spirit.

[Peterlag7]

From Mark 1:14-15 "Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”"

By repentance, like Christ we crucify our old fleshly self and die on the cross we choose to bear with us. If we believe in the gospel then in faith we know we are alive in Christ forever. Here I quote from Romans 6:5-11.

Water baptism is not needed for salvation. God discerns the heart's intentions, not some outward deference to some ritual required by some denomination.

There were no Christians to repent in Mark 1:14-15 because Jesus had not yet been resurrected from the dead. The repenting was addressed to Israel who lived under the Law as Jews.

 

[Follower Of Christ]

There were no Christians to repent in Mark 1:14-15 because Jesus had not yet been resurrected from the dead. The repenting was addressed to Israel who lived under the Law as Jews.

Repent ye and believe the gospel. What does it mean?

Christ said this for he was on Earth to do Father's will and Father's will was that he would be slain so the opportunity for salvation be given to all and the promise to Abraham would stand. Father's will stands out of time and space. From Revelation 3:8 "and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain."

Now, Abraham is a Christian even though he lived before the Word made flesh was crucified and resurrected on the third day. We know from Galatians 3:7-9 that "Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith."

Further from Hebrews 11:8-10 "By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God."

I hope you see where I am going here. Do you understand what believe the gospel really implies? It's believing the good news of the future arrival of the kingdom of God on earth and being made members of it. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc are all members of it and hence Christians for only through Christ one becomes a member.

Now about repentance. From Galatians 5:24 "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Humans have dual natures, fleshly and spiritual. To gain access to the kingdom of God, one must renounce and crucify the flesh and its desires. That is the equivalent of repenting of one's sins. From 1 Corinthians 15:50 "I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."

If we repent of our sins we are dead to the world. If we believe in the gospel, we are alive in Christ. You have to do both things to inherit the Kingdom of God.

 

[JLB]

Cars were not around at that time either. There's no place in the Bible that says cars were not around because there were no cars

 

[JLB]

I have no idea why you believe Christians were around before Christ was resurrected from the dead. Cars were not around at that time either. There's no place in the Bible that says cars were not around because there were no cars. There's also no place that Jesus called anyone a Christian because there were no Christians then. They were Jews.

What was Abraham?

 

[Corinth77777]

I did not say the Catholics made up baptism. I said we (us Christians) are immersed (baptism) from our sins. The Catholics turned that we are immersed in Christ into we are immersed in water.

God immersed us in Christ Jesus when he cleansed us from our sins. The Catholics turned it into water

1 Corinthians 1:2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

You are still missing what Hebrews states, " instructions about baptisms"
You are saying none have to do with being inmersed in water.

 

[Tenchi]

Ephesians 4:30 is not referring to part of the trinity that is sealed in me. It's referring to the spirit of God that He often calls the spirit of Christ that is born in all Christians when they got born again.
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

This is by no means a thoughtful, well-reasoned, biblical response to the points I've made to you from Scripture. Quite the opposite. What is your desired purpose in posting your ideas? They are clearly in error and you've demonstrated that they are indefensible, so you can't be hoping to persuade anyone to your perspective. You don't seem to want to evaluate and change your mistaken views, either. What, then, is your goal in posting and revealing you've got the wrong end of the stick about God's Truth?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Baptism means to be immersed in something. I will believe I was immersed in the spirit of Christ when I got born again. And you can believe you were immersed in water when you got born again.

If you were not killed and buried with Christ, (Rom 6:3-4, through water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, you were neither reborn, (Rom 6:4), nor had your past sins remitted. (Acts 2:38, 22:16)
Without a real, true, repentance from sin, or water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, you were never cleansed of past sins; so your "temple" was never made clean enough for the Spirit's residence.
Whoever taught you your doctrine, will bear his punishment soon enough.

 

[Peterlag7]

If you were not killed and buried with Christ, (Rom 6:3-4, through water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, you were neither reborn, (Rom 6:4), nor had your past sins remitted. (Acts 2:38, 22:16)
Without a real, true, repentance from sin, or water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, you were never cleansed of past sins; so your "temple" was never made clean enough for the Spirit's residence.
Whoever taught you your doctrine, will bear his punishment soon enough.

Romans 6:3-4 does not mention water. You mention water. Romans does not.

 

[Peterlag7]

You are still missing what Hebrews states, " instructions about baptisms"
You are saying none have to do with being inmersed in water.

No I'm not saying the Hebrews. I'm saying the Christians. Romans 6:3-4 is not talking about water.

 

[Peterlag7]

What was Abraham?

Abraham was a Gentile who became the first Jew.

 

[Peterlag7]

Repent ye and believe the gospel. What does it mean?

Christ said this for he was on Earth to do Father's will and Father's will was that he would be slain so the opportunity for salvation be given to all and the promise to Abraham would stand. Father's will stands out of time and space. From Revelation 3:8 "and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain."

Now, Abraham is a Christian even though he lived before the Word made flesh was crucified and resurrected on the third day. We know from Galatians 3:7-9 that "Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith."

Further from Hebrews 11:8-10 "By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God."

I hope you see where I am going here. Do you understand what believe the gospel really implies? It's believing the good news of the future arrival of the kingdom of God on earth and being made members of it. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc are all members of it and hence Christians for only through Christ one becomes a member.

Now about repentance. From Galatians 5:24 "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Humans have dual natures, fleshly and spiritual. To gain access to the kingdom of God, one must renounce and crucify the flesh and its desires. That is the equivalent of repenting of one's sins. From 1 Corinthians 15:50 "I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."

If we repent of our sins we are dead to the world. If we believe in the gospel, we are alive in Christ. You have to do both things to inherit the Kingdom of God.

No Abraham is not a Christian. We must understand that the following administrations have different time periods in the Bible and each have their own beginning and their own ending—with the exception of the last one.

The first is called the Paradise administration. It was the time of innocence, the time before the fall that ends with Adam and Eve being expelled from the garden of the original paradise.

The second is the Patriarchal administration. It was the time after the fall from the Garden of Eden, but before the Law was given. This second administration ended with the coming of the Law to Moses.

The third is the Legal administration. It's suited only to Israel under the Law, and is sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.

The fourth is the Christ administration that overlapped and functioned within the Law administration. Both the Law and the Christ administration officially ended with the coming of Pentecost.

The fifth started on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of the book of Acts. This is the present administration of Grace that is for the Church of God. It's the time period you and I now belong to because it's the Grace administration, without any distinction made between the Jew and the Gentile, which will end with the appearing of Jesus Christ.

The sixth begins with the appearing of Jesus Christ, and the gathering together of the saints. Believe it or not, this administration ends with Satan destroyed, and the great white throne judgment.

The seventh is the Glory or Paradise administration, which will not have an ending.

Administrations must be adapted to the time periods in which they are carried out. The administration with Adam before the fall was different from the one with his immediate family after the fall. The administration with Israel “under the law” was carried out on different principles from the present administration of Grace. This present administration is different from the one that will characterize the return of Christ. The administration of Judgment will be different from the one that will belong to the administration of Glory, when all things shall be gathered together in one under the headship of Christ.

We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we neglect to rightly divide the subject matter. As far as we are concerned in this Grace administration, what happened to Israel in the Old Testament was written for our learning. If we do not rightly divide to whom it's addressed—the Jew, Gentile, or the Church of God, we will use one truth to contradict another truth, and we will use what is true for one group in contrast to what is also true for another group.

These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

 

[follower]

Abraham would most liikely rebuke most labelled "Christian" today and for the last thousand years on earth. To him it is very wrong life visible under the name christian that is going in name only, without the life of Jesus, without obeying nor honoring Jesus.

Now, Abraham is a Christian even though he lived before the Word made flesh was crucified and resurrected on the third day. We know from Galatians 3:7-9 that "Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith."

Those who are of faith are not necessarily christian, nor called christian, on earth today.

 

[Follower Of Christ]

Abraham would most liikely rebuke most labelled "Christian" today and for the last thousand years on earth. To him it is very wrong life visible under the name christian that is going in name only, without the life of Jesus, without obeying nor honoring Jesus.

Those who are of faith are not necessarily christian, nor called christian, on earth today.

I should have clarified that a Christian stands for a faithful in Christ. Someone who has an active and continual deference to the duties inherent in the promise of participation in the Kingdom of God via the sacrifice of Jesus Christ our Lord. Anyway point taken, follower.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Romans 6:3-4 does not mention water. You mention water. Romans does not.

It doesn't mention Spirit either.
Which is most like burial ?
"For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:" (Rom 6:5)
"Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." (Col 2:12)

 

[Peterlag7]

It doesn't mention Spirit either.
Which is most like burial ?
"For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:" (Rom 6:5)
"Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." (Col 2:12)

I believe we received the spirit of Christ. What do you believe? That we received water?

 

[Follower Of Christ]

Jesus is the Lord. That means he's not God. I too wonder why many of you are on these sites. Are you folks Teachers? Scholars? Ministers? What kind of a person would tell a Bible expert like me that I don't know the Scriptures?

Jesus Christ is God. From John 1:1-5 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

Further from John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

I am no scholar, minister or teacher. I am only a faithful in Christ and for many years just study the bible and worship on my own. I seek no teacher and seek to teach no one. I just follow Christ.

Also, please don't throw the expert claim at me. That right there tells me you are no bible expert. Just so that you know regardless between a bible expert and John, I would pick John every time as a source of truth.

FYI, I know a lot about the delusions that Satan throws at us. Only through God's intervention I was saved. And the delusions thrown at us can have very sophisticated patterns webbed into a platform of reasoning that attracts the shiniest intellects who like flies get caught in a deadly spiritual trap. It's all smoke and mirrors at the end with Satan.

With much love! Follower of Christ

 

[hawkman]

Posts are deleted , Thread bans will be next .

TOS 1.2 Those who identify themselves as Christians will be held accountable to conduct themselves as such. If they are truly governed by the Holy Spirit, they will not continually engage in goading, mocking, insulting, trolling, berating or inciting other members to anger and resentment. They will post in a Spirit of kindness and respect, even if there are doctrinal disagreements, and be quick to reconcile if differences of opinion should get heated. Disciplinary actions will be taken against those whom staff regards to be naming the name of Christ and yet are holding the truth in unrighteousness.

 

[Corinth77777]

No Abraham is not a Christian. We must understand that the following administrations have different time periods in the Bible and each have their own beginning and their own ending—with the exception of the last one.

The first is called the Paradise administration. It was the time of innocence, the time before the fall that ends with Adam and Eve being expelled from the garden of the original paradise.

The second is the Patriarchal administration. It was the time after the fall from the Garden of Eden, but before the Law was given. This second administration ended with the coming of the Law to Moses.

The third is the Legal administration. It's suited only to Israel under the Law, and is sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.

The fourth is the Christ administration that overlapped and functioned within the Law administration. Both the Law and the Christ administration officially ended with the coming of Pentecost.

The fifth started on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of the book of Acts. This is the present administration of Grace that is for the Church of God. It's the time period you and I now belong to because it's the Grace administration, without any distinction made between the Jew and the Gentile, which will end with the appearing of Jesus Christ.

The sixth begins with the appearing of Jesus Christ, and the gathering together of the saints. Believe it or not, this administration ends with Satan destroyed, and the great white throne judgment.

The seventh is the Glory or Paradise administration, which will not have an ending.

Administrations must be adapted to the time periods in which they are carried out. The administration with Adam before the fall was different from the one with his immediate family after the fall. The administration with Israel “under the law” was carried out on different principles from the present administration of Grace. This present administration is different from the one that will characterize the return of Christ. The administration of Judgment will be different from the one that will belong to the administration of Glory, when all things shall be gathered together in one under the headship of Christ.

We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we neglect to rightly divide the subject matter. As far as we are concerned in this Grace administration, what happened to Israel in the Old Testament was written for our learning. If we do not rightly divide to whom it's addressed—the Jew, Gentile, or the Church of God, we will use one truth to contradict another truth, and we will use what is true for one group in contrast to what is also true for another group.

These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

Grace has alway been administrated in all the groups...and we still uphold the law. Water was seen at the beggining of creation and continued...

You just can't box everything because some things might belong in all the groups..like grace..

 

[Follower Of Christ]

Psalm 110:1 "The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand,
until I make your enemies your footstool.”"

 

[Peterlag7]

Grace has alway been administrated in all the groups...and we still uphold the law. Water was seen at the beggining of creation and continued...

You just can't box everything because some things might belong in all the groups..like grace..

There was no Grace during the Law administration and there's no Law in the Grace administration.