How to walk by the spirit.

[Peterlag7]

And how, exactly, would you know this? Do you know all of the most knowledgeable people on the planet concerning the subject of the resurrected Jesus Christ and are able to compare your knowledge to theirs? I very much doubt it. But you'd have to have this knowledge in order to make the claim you have above.

I wonder how much of your thinking works in this hyperbolic way...

I know that I have an in-depth knowledge on how to walk by the spirit.

 

[Peterlag7]

No, there was much divine grace extended in the OT. God called to His people again and again to turn from their sin, giving much opportunity for repentance, before He punished them with bondage to other nations. And the "state of grace" in which the New Covenant believer stands is by no means antinomianism. God's Moral Law is as binding upon the New Covenant child of God as upon the Old Covenant Chosen People of God. Only the OT laws of sacrifice/ceremony and separation are done away with.

I do not agree with you. I believe there was an old covenant that dealt with the Law, sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.

 

[Peterlag7]

There were Scholars and experts too, so to speak, that were experts when they believed the world was flat.

According to a piece in this article below on ultradispensationist I would say one can be an experts on unbiblical information.

What is ultra-dispensationalism? | GotQuestions.org

What is ultra-dispensationalism? What is an ultradispensationalist / hyperdispensationalist? Is ultradispensationalism / hyperdispensationalism biblical?

www.gotquestions.org

E.W. Bullinger who you called a scholar is an ultradispensationist.

I am a student of E.W Bullinger and therefore I believe what he did.

 

[Peterlag7]

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,” Cor 13

Proverbs 27:2
Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

Do you want me to lie to you? To say I'm new to the Bible and I don't know much.

 

[Peterlag7]

Like I said we are reading your posts , but are you reading our replies to you .

Go read my reply and see if it rings any bells with you to how the law works now . You are welcome to refute what I say in post #347 . You have not replied to it .

Jesus gave us two commandments , and they are Law during the Grace Administration .
I don't see that in the Epistles.

34But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.​

Jesus had not yet been resurrected and therefore the new covenant had not yet been put in position. Thus, I believe Jesus was addressing what pertained to Israel. And even though many will say it can carry over into the Christian doctrine. I believe it still is not a Law that we are under because we are under Grace.
Where are the laws at during the Grace Administration , they are written in your heart .
I believe it's Christ Jesus that is the key to the divine revelation in the Word of God for this our Grace administration. And the contents of the New Testament must be understood in reference to Christ Jesus our Lord because the doctrine and nature of God for this our Grace administration are centered in His Christ. Not Moses.

12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. 17Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, 18And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;​

You mention my point right in the Scripture you just posted above... "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" The Christians also were not given the Law.

 

[Peterlag7]

Peterlag7 , we are paying attention to what you say in your posts about your expertise .
We are more than willing to engage and talk with you even if you are not an expert , but you have been laying in on thick and we will hold your feet to the fire so to speak . I would ask you how do you know when you reach the expert level in Bible knowledge ? Just curious .





Is it all the Epistles , Pauline and non-Pauline ?

There is not a verse in the Epistles mostly the ones written by Paul that I cannot put together and make sense out of all of it. I have been able to walk so close to Jesus Christ that I believe it's walking by the spirit and therefore able to use his authority. New people cannot walk that tight with God and Jesus Christ. And it did not come easy. It was not free. I spent many years traveling around half the country in and out of many Bible classes and spent tens of thousands of dollars to get where I am. Even in the last five months I spent more than ten thousand to advertise biblical data so that people can look at it for free.

 

[hawkman]

Jesus gave us two commandments , and they are Law during the Grace Administration .
I don't see that in the Epistles.

34But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.​

Jesus had not yet been resurrected and therefore the new covenant had not yet been put in position. Thus, I believe Jesus was addressing what pertained to Israel. And even though many will say it can carry over into the Christian doctrine. I believe it still is not a Law that we are under because we are under Grace.

Peterlag7 Do you love the Lord thy God with all your heart ? Yes or No
Do you love your neighbor as your self ? Yes or No

Where are the laws at during the Grace Administration , they are written in your heart .
I believe it's Christ Jesus that is the key to the divine revelation in the Word of God for this our Grace administration. And the contents of the New Testament must be understood in reference to Christ Jesus our Lord because the doctrine and nature of God for this our Grace administration are centered in His Christ. Not Moses.

12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. 17Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, 18And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;​

Peterlag7 Are the laws written in you heart ? Yes or No

 

[Follower Of Christ]

Peterlag7, since you claimed you are an expert only on the epistles, I thought it appropriate to point out some verses from the Book of Revelation that show that Jesus Christ is God.

Revelation 3:21: "The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne."

Revelation 4:9-10 "And whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who is seated on the throne, who lives forever and ever. The twenty-four elders fall down before him who is seated on the throne and worship him who lives forever and ever.

Revelation 5:8 "And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints."

I look forward to the next set of mental gymnastics from you trying to convince yourself Christ is not God.

Anyway, back to the epistles. From 1 John 2:22-24 "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father."

According to John you are a liar.

Lastly also from 1 John 2:26-27 "I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him."

It's not your fault Peterlag7 but of the swindler teachers that have you out of tens of thousands of dollars, when all you need is divine guidance from the Holy Ghost which is free. Severe punishment from the Lord awaits your human teachers that is for sure.

It's not late for you to realize your error. You either are someone who is taking perverse pleasure goading honest Christians on this forum or someone of very limited understanding who follows blind teachers. Either way please correct yourself!

 

[Corinth77777]

Do you want me to lie to you? To say I'm new to the Bible and I don't know much.

There is a time to speak and a time to be . Silence is golden.

See if this story helps below:

"But when you are invited, go and sit in the lowest place, so that when the one who invited you comes, he will say to you, ‘Friend, move up higher.’ You will then be honored in the presence of all the other guests" Luke


My dad use to say Wisdom is knowing how to use knowledge.

Unfortunately you were put to the test and what was found is you "are" an "expert" on another man's thought. Many people may not agree with your expertise on E.B.'s thought.

And all knowledge is not good knowledge.

 

[Tenchi]

Titus is saying God and Savior, Christ Jesus. It does not say God who is our Savior, Christ Jesus.
Titus 2:13
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

???
Titus 2:13-14 (ESV)
13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

Titus 2:13-14 (NASB)
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
14 who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

Titus 2:13-14 (KJV)
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The phrase "our great God and Savior" clearly qualifies "Jesus Christ." There can be particular confidence in this reading of the verse because there is no teaching in the NT that God the Father will appear at the Last Day, only Jesus, who will return as conquering King and Judge (2 Thessalonians 2:8; 1 Timothy 6:14; 2 Timothy 4:1, 8; Revelation 19:11-16). What's more, Paul continues his thought in verse 14, speaking only of Jesus and what he did through the sacrifice of himself at Calvary. The subject of these two verses, then, is Jesus, whom Paul declares to be "our Great God and Savior."

The Bible says in many verses that there is only one God and “God” does not have a God. We read in Isaiah 44:6 “…there is no God besides me” and Ephesians 4:6 says there is “one God and Father of all, who is over all.” Jesus has a God in contrast to “God” who alone is God and does not have a God. Jesus spoke about his God after the resurrection to Mary Magdalene, saying “…I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God” (John 20:17). Jesus still called God “my God” after his ascension into heaven when he was standing at the right hand of God.

The Trinitarian description of God in Scripture does not deny that God is One. In nature, or essence, the three Persons called "God" in the Bible - Father, Son and Spirit - are identical, they are one. Like a single equilateral triangle, the three sides of which are formed by three identical but distinct lines, the Trinity is a single divine "triangle" made up of three identical but discrete "lines" of deity. This singularity in plurality is not a mysterious characteristic unique to God. A book, for example, has a front and back cover between which are pages. Together, these parts of the book form one book. An egg has a shell, the white, and the yolk, which together form a single thing called an "egg." These very mundane examples of a plurality of parts forming one thing is not hard to understand, but when it comes to God, suddenly the idea, for some, is a real mind-bender. Their confusion is, to me, a far stranger thing than the Trinitarian nature of God the Bible describes.

It doesn't require that Jesus NOT be God to properly understand his words concerning God the Father. As Jesus said, he had willingly subjected himself to the will of the Father (John 6:38; Hebrews 10:9), setting aside his heavenly glory and equality with God the Father (it was not "something to be grasped" - Philippians 2:6), taking on the form of Man and in so doing "humbling himself" unto death (Philippians 2:5-11). But he was, nonetheless, "Immanuel" which means "God with us" (Matthew 1:23); he was still "our Great God and Savior" who will come again a second time; he remained the "fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9).

If you set an equilateral triangle on one of its sides horizontally, the two other sides form a peak above the third side. Does the relation of the two sides of the triangle above the third mean those two sides are superior in nature to the one side beneath them? No. Though the horizontal position of the one side is beneath the other two sides, all sides are still straight and identical in length. So, too, Christ in his humbled position on earth as the atoning sacrifice for our sin. His temporary earthly position relative to the other two Persons of the Godhead, didn't necessitate a diminishment of his essential divine nature. This is confirmed by the verses in the paragraph above (and others like them).

I know that I have an in-depth knowledge on how to walk by the spirit.

This isn't indicated by the things you've posted to this thread...

I do not agree with you. I believe there was an old covenant that dealt with the Law, sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.

You appear here not to have read carefully what I wrote. You are actually agreeing with me in the quotation above. The laws of sacrifice/ceremony and the laws of separation given in the Mosaic Law are absolutely done away with, but the Moral Law of God continues in force, which is why it is referred to so frequently in the NT.

 

[Peterlag7]

???
Titus 2:13-14 (ESV)
13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

Titus 2:13-14 (NASB)
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
14 who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

Titus 2:13-14 (KJV)
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The phrase "our great God and Savior" clearly qualifies "Jesus Christ." There can be particular confidence in this reading of the verse because there is no teaching in the NT that God the Father will appear at the Last Day, only Jesus, who will return as conquering King and Judge (2 Thessalonians 2:8; 1 Timothy 6:14; 2 Timothy 4:1, 8; Revelation 19:11-16). What's more, Paul continues his thought in verse 14, speaking only of Jesus and what he did through the sacrifice of himself at Calvary. The subject of these two verses, then, is Jesus, whom Paul declares to be "our Great God and Savior."



The Trinitarian description of God in Scripture does not deny that God is One. In nature, or essence, the three Persons called "God" in the Bible - Father, Son and Spirit - are identical, they are one. Like a single equilateral triangle, the three sides of which are formed by three identical but distinct lines, the Trinity is a single divine "triangle" made up of three identical but discrete "lines" of deity. This singularity in plurality is not a mysterious characteristic unique to God. A book, for example, has a front and back cover between which are pages. Together, these parts of the book form one book. An egg has a shell, the white, and the yolk, which together form a single thing called an "egg." These very mundane examples of a plurality of parts forming one thing is not hard to understand, but when it comes to God, suddenly the idea, for some, is a real mind-bender. Their confusion is, to me, a far stranger thing than the Trinitarian nature of God the Bible describes.

It doesn't require that Jesus NOT be God to properly understand his words concerning God the Father. As Jesus said, he had willingly subjected himself to the will of the Father (John 6:38; Hebrews 10:9), setting aside his heavenly glory and equality with God the Father (it was not "something to be grasped" - Philippians 2:6), taking on the form of Man and in so doing "humbling himself" unto death (Philippians 2:5-11). But he was, nonetheless, "Immanuel" which means "God with us" (Matthew 1:23); he was still "our Great God and Savior" who will come again a second time; he remained the "fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9).

If you set an equilateral triangle on one of its sides horizontally, the two other sides form a peak above the third side. Does the relation of the two sides of the triangle above the third mean those two sides are superior in nature to the one side beneath them? No. Though the horizontal position of the one side is beneath the other two sides, all sides are still straight and identical in length. So, too, Christ in his humbled position on earth as the atoning sacrifice for our sin. His temporary earthly position relative to the other two Persons of the Godhead, didn't necessitate a diminishment of his essential divine nature. This is confirmed by the verses in the paragraph above (and others like them).



This isn't indicated by the things you've posted to this thread...



You appear here not to have read carefully what I wrote. You are actually agreeing with me in the quotation above. The laws of sacrifice/ceremony and the laws of separation given in the Mosaic Law are absolutely done away with, but the Moral Law of God continues in force, which is why it is referred to so frequently in the NT.

I read only one page. When you break up into many pages is when I don't see them. All you folks ever put in front of me are bits and pieces of words and half verses that are scattered all over the Bible. Also there's no teaching on why God would come to the earth as a man. Such a concept accomplishes nothing. Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Some theologians teach that only God could pay for the sins of mankind, but the Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).

If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught. The Gospels would have clearly said...

Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.

The Epistles would have writings like...

Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.

And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.

 

[Peterlag7]

There is a time to speak and a time to be . Silence is golden.

See if this story helps below:

"But when you are invited, go and sit in the lowest place, so that when the one who invited you comes, he will say to you, ‘Friend, move up higher.’ You will then be honored in the presence of all the other guests" Luke


My dad use to say Wisdom is knowing how to use knowledge.

Unfortunately you were put to the test and what was found is you "are" an "expert" on another man's thought. Many people may not agree with your expertise on E.B.'s thought.

And all knowledge is not good knowledge.

God did not call me to be silent.

 

[Peterlag7]

Peterlag7 Do you love the Lord thy God with all your heart ? Yes or No
Do you love your neighbor as your self ? Yes or No

Peterlag7 Are the laws written in you heart ? Yes or No

I don't read about a Lord thy God in the Epistles written to Christians. And I do not love my neighbor. I also do not no of any laws written in my heart.

 

[hawkman]

I don't read about a Lord thy God in the Epistles written to Christians. And I do not love my neighbor. I also do not no of any laws written in my heart.

I believe every word you said .

What did Paul say in Romans 13 that you are ignoring ?

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[Peterlag7]

There were Scholars and experts too, so to speak, that were experts when they believed the world was flat.

According to a piece in this article below on ultradispensationist I would say one can be an experts on unbiblical information.

What is ultra-dispensationalism? | GotQuestions.org

What is ultra-dispensationalism? What is an ultradispensationalist / hyperdispensationalist? Is ultradispensationalism / hyperdispensationalism biblical?

www.gotquestions.org

E.W. Bullinger who you called a scholar is an ationist.ultradispens

I read the data you posted on the link about ultra-dispensationalism and that data is not what I believe and it is not what E.W. Bullinger writes about. I found a very small paragraph that pertains to what E.W. Bullinger and I believe. Just a couple of sentences and nothing more.

 

[Follower Of Christ]

I read only one page. When you break up into many pages is when I don't see them. All you folks ever put in front of me are bits and pieces of words and half verses that are scattered all over the Bible. Also there's no teaching on why God would come to the earth as a man. Such a concept accomplishes nothing. Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Some theologians teach that only God could pay for the sins of mankind, but the Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).

If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught. The Gospels would have clearly said...

Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.

The Epistles would have writings like...

Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.

And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.

John 5:18 "This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."

 

[Follower Of Christ]

Mods please change this thread's title with "How to walk by the spirit of the antichrist". And then delete the whole thread.

 

[Follower Of Christ]

God did not call me to be silent.

2 Corinthians 11:12-15 "And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve."

 

[Follower Of Christ]

Peterlag7, if you choose to keep posting, remember Proverbs 7. I think I am going to call you P7 if you keep posting.

 

[Peterlag7]

2 Corinthians 11:12-15 "And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve."

I am not those that Paul mentions in 2 Corinthians 11:12-15. I'm with the group mentioned in 2 Corinthians 5:20-21...

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.