How to walk by the spirit.

[Peterlag7]

I don't think you understood - or, perhaps, haven't even read - my last post to you. "Destroyed" doesn't mean obliterated, or any other such thing. The "old Self" is rendered impotent, or entirely idle, which is what "katargeo" - the Greek word translated "destroyed" - actually means, not annihilated, or utterly demolished, or whatever. The "old Self" is crucified and thus held powerless on the cross of Christ; but any time we want to be ruled by the "old Self" rather than Christ, it will instantly begin to direct us again, as we see in our own lives and in the lives of the earliest Christians in the record of the NT.



Yes, the majority of born-again people don't know who they are in Jesus Christ, what their spiritual inheritance is in him, and they live accordingly. After all, "the me I see is the me I'll be." But the "old Self" isn't gone, but only held impotent and idle upon the cross of Calvary - so long as we, by faith, reckon that it is so (Romans 6:11).

Therefore, victory in the Christian life is as simple as renewing our minds to who we are and what we have already received in Christ. It’s not the struggle of two natures inside of us. We will continue to struggle with sin if we see ourselves as old sinners saved by grace. And so it's also true we will manifest the change that took place in our new nature when we understand we are not old sinners saved by grace. Thus, we act like being part of the senses world when we see ourselves as being part of the senses world. We act like being part of the Christian world when we see ourselves as being part of Christ—i.e., in our born-again spirits.

 

[Peterlag7]

Yes if Christ is in you the body is dead, not resurrected like you claim.


For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Romans 8:13


Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
Romans 6:12

When did I say our body was resurrected? Romans 6:12 is not referring to those walking in Christ. But Romans 6:10 is.

 

[Tenchi]

Therefore, victory in the Christian life is as simple as renewing our minds to who we are and what we have already received in Christ. It’s not the struggle of two natures inside of us. We will continue to struggle with sin if we see ourselves as old sinners saved by grace. And so it's also true we will manifest the change that took place in our new nature when we understand we are not old sinners saved by grace. Thus, we act like being part of the senses world when we see ourselves as being part of the senses world. We act like being part of the Christian world when we see ourselves as being part of Christ—i.e., in our born-again spirits.

Romans 8:1-16

 

[JLB]

When did I say our body was resurrected? Romans 6:12 is not referring to those walking in Christ. But Romans 6:10 is.

As my post clearly shows, our physical body still contains sin and we must by the Spirit put to death the deeds of the flesh.

 

[Peterlag7]

As my post clearly shows, our physical body still contains sin and we must by the Spirit put to death the deeds of the flesh.

Our physical body has no sin when we are in him. You can't be the righteousness of God in him (2 Corinthians 5:21) and still be full of sin. It's the "in him" your not getting. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. (I John) It's the "abideth in him" that you're not seeing.

 

[JLB]

Our physical body has no sin when we are in him. You can't be the righteousness of God in him (2 Corinthians 5:21) and still be full of sin. It's the "in him" your not getting. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. (I John) It's the "abideth in him" that you're not seeing.

Your physical body is not in Him.

Your spirit is in Him, joined with Him; one spirit with Him.

But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 1 Corinthians 6:17


His Spirit is in you; within your spirit which correlates to the holy of holies.


Your flesh still contains sin, and will die and be resurrected in a glorious sinless body at His coming.


But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:20-23

So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15:42-44


It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory.
It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.


This occurs at the resurrection of the dead in Christ.

Water baptism is the “likeness” of the resurrection we all are looking forward to.

 

[Peterlag7]

Your physical body is not in Him.

Your spirit is in Him, joined with Him; one spirit with Him.

But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 1 Corinthians 6:17


His Spirit is in you; within your spirit which correlates to the holy of holies.


Your flesh still contains sin, and will die and be resurrected in a glorious sinless body at His coming.


But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:20-23

So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15:42-44


It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory.
It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.


This occurs at the resurrection of the dead in Christ.

Water baptism is the “likeness” of the resurrection we all are looking forward to.

I think you focus on your flesh and teach that we should look at ourselves and our sin. I focus on the spirit and teach that we should look at the spirit of Christ and walk in him.

 

[Peterlag7]

The religious world does not seem to be able to see the Christ apart from seeing God through their own image.
How did our minds get so blinded in the first place? I think the enemy did it like this...

First, he killed my understanding of "the power of God" by teaching me to follow after "the Christ in me" through my flesh. And by sheer default, that made me follow after the flesh in me. Then he killed my understanding of "the authority of Christ" by making it a name. And that left me thinking I had the authority or the authority to use a name.

 

[JLB]

I think you focus on your flesh and teach that we should look at ourselves and our sin. I focus on the spirit and teach that we should look at the spirit of Christ and walk in him.

I never mentioned we should focus on sin or focus on the flesh.


There are two distinct lifestyles the born again Christian can live by:


Walking according to the flesh.

Or

Walking according to the Spirit.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Therefore, victory in the Christian life is as simple as renewing our minds to who we are and what we have already received in Christ. It’s not the struggle of two natures inside of us. We will continue to struggle with sin if we see ourselves as old sinners saved by grace. And so it's also true we will manifest the change that took place in our new nature when we understand we are not old sinners saved by grace. Thus, we act like being part of the senses world when we see ourselves as being part of the senses world. We act like being part of the Christian world when we see ourselves as being part of Christ—i.e., in our born-again spirits.

What do you mean by "senses world" ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

When did I say our body was resurrected? Romans 6:12 is not referring to those walking in Christ. But Romans 6:10 is.

Won't those walking in Christ avoid sin, so it can't "reign in their mortal body" ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Our physical body has no sin when we are in him. You can't be the righteousness of God in him (2 Corinthians 5:21) and still be full of sin. It's the "in him" your not getting. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. (I John) It's the "abideth in him" that you're not seeing.

You nailed it on the head !
Many people think there is a revolving door between the light and the dark.
There isn't.

 

[Hopeful 2]

There are two distinct lifestyles the born again Christian can live by:
Walking according to the flesh.
Or
Walking according to the Spirit.

No Christian is walking according to the flesh.
If he is, he is no Christian.

 

[Peterlag7]

You nailed it on the head !
Many people think there is a revolving door between the light and the dark.
There isn't.

I believe the spirit of Christ is my new nature and therefore I have been able to function in it. To live in it, walk by it, and be in it. When I finally figured this out is when the lights turned on. Most of my life I believed I was in a battle between what I thought was my old man fighting against what I thought was my new man. Now I'm not fighting. I moved right in the darn thing. It seems to me one cannot walk in or by the spirit if our old nature (which is dead) thinks it's fighting against our new nature. I was taught being in Christ meant I was in fellowship with God because I was walking upright in my flesh. I now understand being in Christ is being in the spirit and neither of them (in Christ or in the spirit) has anything to do with the darn flesh.

 

[Peterlag7]

Won't those walking in Christ avoid sin, so it can't "reign in their mortal body" ?

I don't avoid sin when I'm in Christ because there's no sin in him to avoid.

 

[Peterlag7]

What do you mean by "senses world" ?

The flesh world. Not the spirit world. Walking by our senses and not walking in Christ. I think but cannot prove it that it's what Eve wanted to try. To change from walking by her spirit to walking by her senses. God told her if you do this you will die. Well, we die without spirit. Christ got it back for us.

 

[Peterlag7]

I never mentioned we should focus on sin or focus on the flesh.


There are two distinct lifestyles the born again Christian can live by:


Walking according to the flesh.

Or

Walking according to the Spirit.

I believe the old nature that we got from Adam is totally destroyed the moment the spirit of Christ entered the Christian. You can still function in the memory of it if your not interested in putting on the mind of Christ which we are told to do.

 

[KV-44-v1]

Your body has spiritually been crucified.

Define the terms "body" and " crucified".
What does this mean and entail? what makes you think this?

 

[Corinth77777]

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ.

My spouse and I discussed this part the other day.
What is the Spirit of Christ?
Excuse me as I think out loud.

He said the Spirit of Christ were the teachings of Christ and maybe in some contextes it can be.

Who we were in Adam is no longer there.

If the Spirit of God dwells in us- right?

We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ.

good thought- Why would a person be new? In what aspect is one new?

Is He a new creation as the beginning of what is being transformed?

Or

Is He new because of His new Surroundings?

The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ.

So the answer to one being a new creation is water baptism?
So a person is new because they have died with Christ?
Ok

This reminds me of a passage that talks about a flower having to die, but yet coming up a new type of creation.

So..which brings about a thought in why we can be a new creation.

I wonder though if new creation refers to something that is being created? OR does the new creation already exist as it is finished being created.

The thought in why we are a new creation is maybe that our lives are interactively/ intertwined with Christ's.

So the old things that have passed away are associated with things in Adam.

This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.

The actuality of operating with, from or in our new surroundings.

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real.

If it is real to one, it is real because it is happening in one life and they know it. Therefore it can't make it fake to the one who live Christ's words.

So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.

Not if the self still has a physical body.
Which then does make an argument for the symbolic.
If you can walk through walls in faith I would say the old self has been obliterated.
But if not, and you still have to await a new body then the new has come. That would mean it has begun but not complete. Which would answer my question of how we are new.
We are a new creation- something in the process of being created.

Just my thoughts you are welcome to correct them by the word.

 

[Corinth77777]

I believe the Key is the Reward of remaing in Christ that gives us life and peace.

The fun thing my spouse and I discussed is how we are given a new heart and spirit.

That was the best time I had with my spouse this year...discussing this.

It's the words of Jesus, the Christ, continually acvtivated upon that puts us in fellowship with the Father

Eternal life is everyday life we receive from God as we remain under His rule. So it's not just one moment in time.

scripture tells us be careful that we think we stand.....