How to walk by the spirit.

[Hopeful 2]

The flesh world. Not the spirit world. Walking by our senses and not walking in Christ. I think but cannot prove it that it's what Eve wanted to try. To change from walking by her spirit to walking by her senses. God told her if you do this you will die. Well, we die without spirit. Christ got it back for us.

OK, thanks for the clarification.
I guess I would have called your "senses world" the "fleshly world": again taking care to differentiate "flesh" from "skin and bones".

 

[Hopeful 2]

Our sin nature is gone.

2 Corinthians 5:17 (NIV)
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

All of the old man is gone, which points to a complete, physical, rebirth, instead of just spiritual.

 

[Hopeful 2]

The scriptures teach us the truth -
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Romans 8:1

• There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus

Thank God for the scriptures.

The context of this verse is about those who are in Christ Jesus.

I agree, as it is those who are not in Christ who will be condemned.

Do you believe people who are in Christ Jesus are saved?

They will be, if they remain in Christ until the end.

 

[Hopeful 2]

We are still housed in a fleshly body in where the nature to sin dwells,

I don't.
All of my old characteristics died and were buried with Christ, (Rom 6:3-6, 2 Cor 5:17), at my water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my past sin. (Acts 2:38)
Why wasn't that "old thing" (2 Cor 5:17), passed away for you ?

but everyday we overcome this flesh in order to walk in the Spirit.

Those in Christ can.
They have a new nature.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


This happens when Christ returns and then we are all changed before being caught up in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air, but until that day we are still living in this fleshly body. This is why we need to learn how to walk in the Spirit so we do not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

Do you have control of your vessel, or does your vessel have control of you ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

You and I will never agree on sinless perfection. If we say we have no sin then that makes us a liar, but yet we do not go willfully sinning.

If we can honestly say we have no sin, it is because we walk in God.
Those walking in darkness cannot honestly say they have no sin.

 

[Peterlag7]

All of the old man is gone, which points to a complete, physical, rebirth, instead of just spiritual.

There's folks on this website that are telling me there old body is still here.

 

[Peterlag7]

OK, thanks for the clarification.
I guess I would have called your "senses world" the "fleshly world": again taking care to differentiate "flesh" from "skin and bones".

When I use the word "flesh" I'm using it the way the Bible does. See Romans 8

 

[Peterlag7]

So, where do you get your understanding of "the spirit of Christ" from?

The Scriptures

 

[Peterlag7]

Though true, I was referencing your statement about Rom 6:12 not applying to those walking in Christ.
Those walking in Christ were the first not to allow sin to reign in their vessels.
Your perspective is from the "I already heeded that exhortation" clan.
But the scripture, Rom 6:12, was written for all mankind to heed.
It differentiates believers from unbelievers when seen from our "post-writing" perspective

Let's pick it up in context...

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

So our sin nature is gone killed with him.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

So we are dead. Dead means gone. Killed. Obliterated.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

The new life is with Christ right now.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
It's dead and gone. And so verse 12 is telling you if you have done all this then you're not going to let sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. In other words do this so sin will not therefore reign in your body...

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

 

[Free]

The Scriptures

But, where, exactly?

 

[for_his_glory]

Let's pick it up in context...

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

So our sin nature is gone killed with him.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

So we are dead. Dead means gone. Killed. Obliterated.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

The new life is with Christ right now.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
It's dead and gone. And so verse 12 is telling you if you have done all this then you're not going to let sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. In other words do this so sin will not therefore reign in your body...

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.We are Spiritually dead, not literally dead if we have not Christ, but are made Spiritually alive within our renewed Spiritual inner man through Christ, Colossians 3:1-17 that we will never taste that of the second death, being cast into the lake of fire as those names are not written in the Lamb's book of life, Rev 20:11-15.

Could you please not use white and yellow lettering in your post as this is very hard to read on a white background, thank you.

I hear all the time from those who believe in sinless perfection that this human body of flesh and bone is dead, killed, obliterated and no longer exist. If this be the case then how are we still alive walking this earth even after we are Spiritually born again from above, John 3:5-7.

We are dead in Christ as it is no longer I that lives, but Christ that lives in me, but yet this body is still alive and functional.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

No true child of God is going to willfully sin, but I don't care what those who believe they are completely sin free and never sin say, we will mess up at times.

 

[Hopeful 2]

There's folks on this website that are telling me there old body is still here.

I know.
I choose to believe 2 Cor 5:17 instead of them.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
I choose to believe Rom 6:6 instead of their doctrine.
"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
I choose to believe Col 2:11.
"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:"

My old body was destroyed, put off, and made new !

 

[Hopeful 2]

When I use the word "flesh" I'm using it the way the Bible does. See Romans 8

Rom 8 has both uses of "flesh".
Both the skin and bones (v10-13, 19-21) and the worldly oriented mind (v1, 3-9) aspects are there.
Plus a couple of verses with an apparent over-lap. (v10-12)

I have not made this a study, so am aware some discussion may be in order on this topic.

 

[JLB]

2 Corinthians 5:17 (NIV)
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

Yes the new spirit with in us is born again.

The soul must be renewed, while the flesh must be put to death; crucified daily.


Each of us must choose the sow to the Spirit rather than sow to the flesh.

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:7-8


When we invest our time and effort doing things such as prayer and fasting, reading and meditating on God’s word, spending time in private devotion, worship and fellowship with the LORD, then we will walk in victory over the sinful desires of our flesh.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Let's pick it up in context...
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
So our sin nature is gone killed with him.

Our entire old man is gone, including its nature; killed and buried with Him...plus raised with Him to walk in newness of life !

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
So we are dead. Dead means gone. Killed. Obliterated.

Agreed.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
The new life is with Christ right now.

Agreed.
We are one with Him, after our "immersion"/baptism into Him.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
It's dead and gone.

Agreed.
"It's" being "your-old-self"

And so verse 12 is telling you if you have done all this then you're not going to let sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. In other words do this so sin will not therefore reign in your body...
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Yeah, v12 is the result of v11.
I hadn't thought of it precisely like that before.
Verse 11's "dead unto sin" is really the key there.

 

[Hopeful 2]

I hear all the time from those who believe in sinless perfection that this human body of flesh and bone is dead, killed, obliterated and no longer exist. If this be the case then how are we still alive walking this earth even after we are Spiritually born again from above, John 3:5-7.
We are dead in Christ as it is no longer I that lives, but Christ that lives in me, but yet this body is still alive and functional.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The answer is that it is quickened by the Spirit !
Rom 8:10-11..."And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
No true child of God is going to willfully sin,

That is right.
But keep in mind that all sin is willful. (James 1:14-15)

but I don't care what those who believe they are completely sin free and never sin say, we will mess up at times.

The love of God was a powerful attractant for me.

 

[Peterlag7]

Yes the new spirit with in us is born again.

The soul must be renewed, while the flesh must be put to death; crucified daily.


Each of us must choose the sow to the Spirit rather than sow to the flesh.

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:7-8


When we invest our time and effort doing things such as prayer and fasting, reading and meditating on God’s word, spending time in private devotion, worship and fellowship with the LORD, then we will walk in victory over the sinful desires of our flesh.

I have went beyond that being an advanced Christian. There's no more choosing for me. I stay close to the spirit of Christ. Very close right up in his face like if I'm right inside him. I wrote about it this way in my book...

"I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit."

 

[Peterlag7]

Rom 8 has both uses of "flesh".
Both the skin and bones (v10-13, 19-21) and the worldly oriented mind (v1, 3-9) aspects are there.
Plus a couple of verses with an apparent over-lap. (v10-12)

I have not made this a study, so am aware some discussion may be in order on this topic.

I use the word "flesh" the way it's used in the Bible...

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Flesh meaning no spirit.

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

I can't add anything to verse 5. It says it very clear just the way it's written.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Carnally minded means no spirit.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

In the flesh means no spirit.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

You are not in the flesh if you have the spirit. Now go ahead tell me you are still here in the body of flesh and bone. Go ahead.

 

[Peterlag7]

I know.
I choose to believe 2 Cor 5:17 instead of them.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
I choose to believe Rom 6:6 instead of their doctrine.
"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
I choose to believe Col 2:11.
"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:"

My old body was destroyed, put off, and made new !

Bingo

 

[Peterlag7]

Could you please not use white and yellow lettering in your post as this is very hard to read on a white background, thank you.

I hear all the time from those who believe in sinless perfection that this human body of flesh and bone is dead, killed, obliterated and no longer exist. If this be the case then how are we still alive walking this earth even after we are Spiritually born again from above, John 3:5-7.

We are dead in Christ as it is no longer I that lives, but Christ that lives in me, but yet this body is still alive and functional.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

No true child of God is going to willfully sin, but I don't care what those who believe they are completely sin free and never sin say, we will mess up at times.

Two things:

1.) I don't write about sinless perfection. I write about no sin in him.
2.) I don't have a white background. I have a black background.