If God Loved everyone !

[glorydaz]

glory:

Children are innocent until they are old enough to be held accountable for their own sin.

Vain philsophy..

Oh really? The Word of God is vain philosophy? :crazy

But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Having done neither good or evil........

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

Our own iniquities separate us from God.

But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Ah....so much for original sin and your dna theory.

6But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.

3As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. 4Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

[quote:4yzz4dey] 9Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.

17That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live. 18As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity. 19Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.

20The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 21But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he
shall not die. 22All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

[/quote:4yzz4dey]

 

[mutzrein]

What does that have to do with Adam's sin???

What you mean ?

fran:

[quote:3hp960cr]Does Adam's sin effect all men or not?

Not..only the elect..[/quote:3hp960cr]

Do I understand you correctly - that you believe that not all men were born in trespasses and sin and therefore spritually 'dead'? If they were NOT effected then salvation would NOT be by God's grace.

 

[savedbygrace57]

mutz:

Do I understand you correctly

I dont think you do..

that you believe that not all men were born in trespasses and sin and therefore spritually 'dead'?

Yes I believe all men are born dead in trespasses and sins, but not because of Adam, some men were, and the rest sinned in someone else..in other words, the non elect did not fall in adam, only the elect..

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory says:

Oh really? The Word of God is vain philosophy?

No, your false teaching is..

 

[glorydaz]

glory says:

Oh really? The Word of God is vain philosophy?

No, your false teaching is..

You apparently find it difficult to read the scripture.
Instead of throwing out false charges...man up and address the verses as given.

 

[glorydaz]

mutz:

Do I understand you correctly

I dont think you do..

[quote:28op2kbk]that you believe that not all men were born in trespasses and sin and therefore spritually 'dead'?

Yes I believe all men are born dead in trespasses and sins, but not because of Adam, some men were, and the rest sinned in someone else..in other words, the non elect did not fall in adam, only the elect..[/quote:28op2kbk]

What in the world are you preaching?

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory:

You apparently find it difficult to read the scripture.

I read them all the time, but i also read your vain philosophy..

 

[mutzrein]

mutz:

Do I understand you correctly

I dont think you do..

[quote:37813nep]that you believe that not all men were born in trespasses and sin and therefore spritually 'dead'?

Yes I believe all men are born dead in trespasses and sins, but not because of Adam, some men were, and the rest sinned in someone else..in other words, the non elect did not fall in adam, only the elect..[/quote:37813nep]

. . . so, who was the 'someone else' that the elect sinned in? And where do you find this in scripture?

 

[glorydaz]

glory:

You apparently find it difficult to read the scripture.

I read them all the time, but i also read your vain philosophy..

You're choosing to ignore scripture that says each man is responsible for his own sin.
That is not our father's sin or our children's sin, but our own.

Your claims that sin is passed down through the blood is wrong...not that I expect you to ever admit it.
You prefer to make statements like the above hoping someone will fall for the line of...shall I say... deceit you so readily put forth.

This is a fair warning to all readers....test and try the spirits whether they be from God. Scripture speaks against what's being taught by this poster who can only charge others with "vain philosophy".

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory:

You're choosing to ignore scripture

I am ignoring your vain philosophy..

 

[savedbygrace57]

mutz:

Do I understand you correctly

I dont think you do..

[quote:2yxulu22]that you believe that not all men were born in trespasses and sin and therefore spritually 'dead'?

Yes I believe all men are born dead in trespasses and sins, but not because of Adam, some men were, and the rest sinned in someone else..in other words, the non elect did not fall in adam, only the elect..

. . . so, who was the 'someone else' that the elect sinned in? And where do you find this in scripture?[/quote:2yxulu22]

The elect sinned in Adam, but the Non elect did not sin in adam..

 

[Orion]

savedbygrace, . . . . . . verse 18???

 

[glorydaz]

glory:

You're choosing to ignore scripture

I am ignoring your vain philosophy..

So clever....not everyone has such great skill at debating. :biglaugh

 

[mutzrein]

The elect sinned in Adam, but the Non elect did not sin in adam..

Oh, OK - yeah got that. Who was it they did sin in then? C'mon - scripture and verse . . . you know how it goes.

 

[francisdesales]

What does that have to do with Adam's sin???

Does Adam's sin effect all men or not?

Not..only the elect..

Romans 5 says ALL men are effected by the sin of Adam. Again you add words not warranted. Does Scripture tell us how the "non-elect" came into sin, other then by Adam? What does Scripture say led this different class into sin?

I'm beginning to think this is a wild goose chase started by someone who has been cornered by Romans 5 and cannot admit they are wrong...

 

[shad]

I'm beginning to think this is a wild goose chase started by someone who has been cornered by Romans 5 and cannot admit they are wrong...

That's the case of most long winded debates.

 

[mutzrein]

The elect sinned in Adam, but the Non elect did not sin in adam..

Oh, OK - yeah got that. Who was it they did sin in then? C'mon - scripture and verse . . . you know how it goes.

And BTW savedbygrace, I DON'T believe that God loves everyone.

God DOES love all of His children, but we are not all His children are we.

 

[Benoni]

Good point. So what you are saying is God creates garbage.

The elect sinned in Adam, but the Non elect did not sin in adam..

Oh, OK - yeah got that. Who was it they did sin in then? C'mon - scripture and verse . . . you know how it goes.

And BTW savedbygrace, I DON'T believe that God loves everyone.

God DOES love all of His children, but we are not all His children are we.

 

[savedbygrace57]

mut says:

God DOES love all of His children, but we are not all His children are we.

Nope..

 

[savedbygrace57]

fran says:

Romans 5 says ALL men are effected by the sin of Adam

Sure, all the men that were in Adam, the elect Sons of God..