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daninthelionsden said:
On the big island here in Hawai'i people build all kinds of unpermitted abodes. Some are just small storage sheds converted to dwellings. For the most part no interference by the local authority.
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That's the way it should be. Let those of modest means be. Some places knock down their makeshift abodes, and insist they buy a $400,000 McMansion. They wind up on the street. Its not right.
 
kiwidan said:
Then when I was just entering the town on the main road I seen the most dangerous thing I have ever seen on the road, a van towing a truck on 3 wheels with sparks flying everywhere because half the truck was just metal scraping on the road, I thought it was on fire, and when they got to the stop lights they had to run up the curb because it obviously had no breaks.
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Reminds me of a story that a missionary told. In one remote place locals couldn't afford to fix the brakes on their car. They nicknamed it the "faith car". When they went down a hill into the village they would blare the horn, put their feet up on the dashboard, and hope they made it through without incident.
 
Michael74 said:
That's the way it should be. Let those of modest means be. Some places knock down their makeshift abodes, and insist they buy a $400,000 McMansion. They wind up on the street. Its not right.
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I haven't seen that here but people do build things, we shut off a man who was living in his shed as he was called in on and he was stealing water. he wasn't arrested, he did however state that it was temporary and is repairing that house, he rented or bought and rv and is living in it. since he didn't say his commode was working where exactly was he..???

folks in the poorer sections have squatted. it can become a fire hazard, health hazard. often those are drug houses.
 
Michael74 said:
Can't allow that.

There is nothing wrong with Habitat's modest houses. Honest folk of modest means should be left alone.
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those are mortgages where you must put in hammer time. I helped a vet get his time as he had to work, one can farm out your hours to a point. we as a group helped. one doesn't build yours, man when they mean hammer, no air tools at all. talk about fun decking the walls, nailing the anchors. they feed you and you must not have a felony to simply even work there.irc. 7 to noon on a Saturday and during the week, they only have you install carpentry unless you are a licenses contractor, one of us was an electrician and they had him installing wiring.i live near where I did that and pass it , it took a few months and these were built.
 
Michael74 said:
Reminds me of a story that a missionary told. In one remote place locals couldn't afford to fix the brakes on their car. They nicknamed it the "faith car". When they went down a hill into the village they would blare the horn, put their feet up on the dashboard, and hope they made it through without incident.
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It was honestly the most dangerous thing I have ever seen on the road. I mean a small truck being towed with no wheel and half the truck was draging on the road and sparks flying everywhere, on the main road. I just never seen anything so dumb on the road. Obviously they didn't think of lights as they had to run up the curb so they didn't smash into the car stopped in front because they had no breaks.

Obviously they didn't think of or care about cops either. This place is infested with them. The biggest building in town is the police station. That's says something, this place has serious issues.

When the biggest building in your town is the police station, you know your town has serious issues.
 
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Michael74 said:
The theory is that it makes people care about their homes, so they will take care of them. The program seems to work. Lots of people have homes because of them.
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some here are ok, others in Gifford are well trashed. I have read ones in Gifford where drug deals went down and others where it was better. the ones by me all look like the ones in Gifford and have no problems. also here one can build a habitat home outside of the communities as habitat will buy lots, usually in the mainland and in the poorer areas. these I wish I had photos of. there were three on the Gifford manor route that I would hit in one hour of a start or close and were not near the others, well I can walk and all were close,lol
 
Michael74 said:
Exactly. Honest people of modest means should be left alone. Only deal with the drugs and such.

Zoning that only $400,000 McMansions can be built in many areas is silly.
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here it is driven by what the market is, no one in the right mind will build that(which isn't high given I could sell my house for nearly a quarter of that if one enough land, that price) on the mainland unless its a a gated community, on a big acreage. beach side one can build that low and not be very big. I may have to find some of them and see if I do have photos. beach and lake and river areas will be pricier. I have seen that cost in a community that is deed restricted during the high times of flipping(sellers market) and those were 4/4 and two story and zero lot lines. that was a cow pasture when I first lived in the area near me. my parents moved to that area and years later me and my brother live near them. my brother can walk to our parents, well I can. as I did walk to where I live to see a friend. its not over two miles away. builder and realtors sell homes in communites that are pricy in the middle of old mcm housing. where my parents live is such a place. several near that. one with a golf course!
 
jasonc said:
here it is driven by what the market is...
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I have no problem with letting market forces determine what is built in an area. Its only central planning that keeps people of modest means out of affordable homes.

The rich will naturally gravitate toward beaches and scenic areas, bidding up the price. In a market economy, the non rich will have plenty of land left over for them. With central planning, the non rich have almost nowhere to go.
 
I may look into county planning history ,mcm houses for the working man were and still are there but slowly being razed.

The negroes lived in poincena park which i know where that was.
 
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