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We obey the gospel (Romans 10:16) by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
I not only believe what the gospel says about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I also trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation. If you fail to do the latter then your believing is useless.
Repent (change your mind) and believe the gospel.
Water baptism "follows" having repented and believed the gospel. (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:7-9)
For the umpteenth time, we obey the gospel (Romans 10:16) by choosing to believe the gospel. (Romans 1:16)
We receive the Holy Spirit when we believe the gospel. (Ephesians 1:13) Not to be confused with multiple acts of obedience/works which follow believing the gospel.
Show me the word "remain" in 1 John 3:9. John said no one who is born of God practices sin. Period.
Descriptive language and only those who have received the Holy Spirit abide in God. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
So, every time you sin you lose your salvation and don't get it back until you confess your sin and if you overlook or forget a sin you are toast?
1 John 1:9 is in contrast with 1 John 1:8 -if we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us and with 1 John 1:10 - if we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
We see a description of the unrighteous/sons of disobedience in Ephesians 5:5-7 and the righteous are told to not participate or even associate with them/keep away from those kinds of people. Now in verse 8 we see a description of the righteous. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light.
You believe in faith alone.
You believe in faith alone.
Actually, REPENT means a little more.
There you have it....
Unfortunately for you MMD...
Genuine believer is a term not found in the NT.
This is not talking about believers partaking in the wrath of God with unbelievers. Partakers here pertains to not participating or even associating with them/keep away from those kinds of people.
Romans 10:16 is crystal clear and so is Romans 1:16.
Confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. The word of faith is in our mouth and heart TOGETHER. (Romans 10:8) Confession is a confirmation of faith and not a work for salvation. No one can say Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:3)
Repentance (change of mind) precedes believing the gospel. (Acts 20:21)
The obedient act of choosing to believe the gospel is not to be confused with multiple acts of obedience/works which "follow" and are produced out of faith.
For a person who comes to the realization that he is lost and in need of Jesus Christ to save him, (Romans 3:23; 6:23) he may obtain salvation only by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone. (Ephesians 2:8,9) One needs to understand that Jesus Christ, God in human form, took his sins and paid the penalty for his sins by His sacrifice on the cross of Calvary, was buried, and rose again the third day, and they need to make a genuine and willful decision to totally trust in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. In doing so one is calling on the name of the Lord. (Romans 10:13)
False.
Amen!
This is in regard to progressive or ongoing sanctification for believers and not losing salvation. The sons of disobedience are the unrighteous who practice such sins. The righteous/those who are born of God may stumble at times but they do not practice sin. (1 John 3:9) and will not experience the wrath of God. (1 Thessalonians 5:9)
To oneself primarily; to others secondarily.
And, if a person claims to be a Christian, but doesn't do what is commanded, then their neighbours know their faith is false.
Of course, but I don't see what this has to do with anything I said.
It has a role in this discussion because too many are still conflating works being evidence for salvation with works being necessary for salvation.
Obedience is evidence of belief.
Nothing. It's just part of the passage.
To add "obey" is salvation by works. Where does that passage say "obey"? It only says that one must believe to be saved.
That we are justified (saved) by grace alone through faith alone is the NT teaching, and is exactly what sola fide means. A person who is saved does good works out of obedience to Christ and are evidence of their having been saved. I don't understand why this discussion keeps going in circles about this, given how clear the NT is.
It's throughout the NT.
I gave several verses above. Faith and belief are often used interchangeably. To believe in Christ is to put one's faith in Christ.
Of course, but they don't claim to have faith in Christ.
Which is what I said.
Of course.
Faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation is found in scripture. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..). Faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. You just don't understand.
Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15 etc..). Saved through faith "apart from additions or modifications" hence, faith alone.
The ACTION which follows repentance is the fruit of repentance (Matthew 3:8) but not the essence of repentance.
That is the demonstrative evidence of repentance. Acts 26:20 declares, "I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds."
It's one thing to believe mentally in our head that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ "happened" and it's another thing to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. The demons believe the former but not the latter.
Obedience is the fruit of repentance and faith.
The life of the believer is characterized by obedience (1 John 3:9-10) yet none of us are perfectly obedient 100% of the time. (1 John 1:8-10)
Salvation by faith + baptism is salvation by faith + works. (false gospel)
Faith is sufficient because the OBJECT of our faith (Jesus Christ) is the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. (Romans 3:24-28) No supplements needed. Apparently, you do not believe that Jesus Christ is sufficient for salvation, so you "add" your works.
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In John 15:2, Jesus mentions branches that bear no fruit and branches that bear fruit, but Jesus says nothing about branches that bear fruit but then later stop bearing fruit.
In John 15:2-6, the branches that bear fruit and remain are genuine believers (like the remaining 11 disciples). The self-attached branches that bear no fruit and do not remain are not genuine believers (like Judas Iscariot).
When Jesus spoke these words in John 15, how many people at that time, prior to Him being glorified, had received the Holy Spirit and were baptized by one Spirit into one body? - "the body of Christ?" (1 Corinthians 12:13) -- NONE.
As Greek scholar AT Robertson points out - there are two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit, the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). Probably (Bernard) Jesus here refers to Judas.
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Not all belief is the same. A genuine believer believes in Jesus Christ unto salvation. (Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 16:31) The demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" (James 2:19) but they do not believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ and are not saved. (Acts 16:31) Let that sink in.
Properly explaining scripture is not adding words to scripture. Your "face value" interpretation of scripture that fails to interpret scripture in context and also fails to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine culminates in works righteousness which seems to tickle your ears.
Obey by choosing to believe. Not to be confused with multiple acts of obedience/works which follow.
The King James Version renders this same verse as: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that "believeth not the Son" shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. The NIV says "rejects the Son" and the HCSB says, "refuses to believe in the Son." To refuse to believe in the Son is to disobey, rebel, be disloyal and refuse conformity. Strong’s definition of apeitheo is "to disbelieve willfully and perversely." *In the context of 3:36, to "not obey the Son" means to reject the Son by refusing to believe in the Son.
I already covered. You are trying to turn confessing with our mouth into a work for salvation. Again, confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. The word of faith is in our mouth and heart TOGETHER. (Romans 10:8) Confession is a confirmation of faith and not a work for salvation. No one can say Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:3)
You continue to misinterpret what Paul meant by "partakers" with them. Paul did not mean partakers of the wrath of God with them. He meant not participate or even associate with them/keep away from those kinds of people. I believe the truth. I am being honest. You are being biased.
