Interesting Point about Baptism

[Jim Parker]

Why is baptism left out from the concluding part of the statement?

Because someone who did not believe the Gospel would not care to be baptized.
Why would they bother?

 

[Jim Parker]

The RC church baptized infants for reasons no where close to why the Protestants baptize babies.

Right. They do it because of what Paul said at Ro 6:3-4.

 

[JohnDB]

That's NOT what the scritpture says.
Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
Act 8:14-15 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
NOWHERE does the scripture say that any gentiles were not permitted to be baptized until Peter showed up.

So when Paul says that in baptism we are joined with Christ in His death and resurrection it not a reality?
It's just an empty ceremony?
Then we have no hope for the resurrection and Christi wasted his time.

The refusal of self-proclaimed Christians to believe what the scripture explicitly states is bewildering to me.
What do people who call themselves by the name of Christ get out of denying, refuting and twisting His word?
Where's the glick in that deal?
I don't get it.

Woah,
I'm not suggesting that someone shouldn't be baptized... Nor advocating for people to not get Baptized.

I'm only agreeing that it is a minor ordinance in a field of majors needing to be accomplished.

 

[Cygnus]

That's NOT what the scritpture says.
Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
Act 8:14-15 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
NOWHERE does the scripture say that any gentiles were not permitted to be baptized until Peter showed up.

So when Paul says that in baptism we are joined with Christ in His death and resurrection it not a reality?
It's just an empty ceremony?
Then we have no hope for the resurrection and Christi wasted his time.

The refusal of self-proclaimed Christians to believe what the scripture explicitly states is bewildering to me.
What do people who call themselves by the name of Christ get out of denying, refuting and twisting His word?
Where's the glick in that deal?
I don't get it.

You said in your post.."So when Paul says that in baptism we are joined with Christ in His death and resurrection"

What verse did you have in mind? It would be interesting to see of the three kinds of baptism just what one Paul had in mind.

 

[LovethroughDove]

How did you miss Matthew 28:19?

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

I didn't miss it, you just see baptizing as water baptism and I see it as the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Cygnus]

Right. They do it because of what Paul said at Ro 6:3-4.

3Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life

OK, explain.
I thought we wee baptized into Christ via the Holy Spirit and that water baptism was just a reminder.

 

[Jim Parker]

I thought we wee baptized into Christ via the Holy Spirit and that water baptism was just a reminder.

Please read Romans 6: 3-10.
It says exactly what Baptism is.
Oh! And read it in a modern English translation. The Late Middle English of the KJV tends to obscure some meaning since no one speaks it anymore.

iakov the fool

 

[Cygnus]

Because someone who did not believe the Gospel would not care to be baptized.
Why would they bother?

That's your answer? You can do better than that ad-hoc reply.

 

[Cygnus]

Please read Romans 6: 3-10.
It says exactly what Baptism is.
Oh! And read it in a modern English translation. The Late Middle English of the KJV tends to obscure some meaning since no one speaks it anymore.

iakov the fool

OK, I read it. Again... Perhaps you would like to show how it refers to water baptism as the only option. Show us how the meaning was obscured.

 

[Jim Parker]

That's your answer? You can do better than that ad-hoc reply.

I thought the answer would be obvious.
Apparently some need more clues than others.

 

[for_his_glory]

I see it as rubbish because, not only is not what is taught in the Bible, but, in fact, it is contrary to what is taught in the Bible as I have repeatedly demonstrated by repeatedly posting the relevant scriptures for anyone who has eyes to see.

"The baptism of Christ"? I don't think that might be found anywhere in that inerrant, inspired, infallible, sola scriptura thingy.
Maybe I missed it. What verse specifically describes "the baptism of Christ"?

Yes, John's baptism was for repentance.
The new disciple's Christian baptism is water is for regeneration. (Ro 6:3-4, Jn 3:5)
Jesus is the baptizer in the Holy Spirit which is different from the baptism for regeneration.
The Church has always baptized in water and Jesus baptized in the Holy Spirit since the day of Pentecost.

For example:
The believers at Samaria were baptized in water by Phillip and then in the Holy Spirit when Peter came and they laid hands on them.
Act 8:14-17 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them.
They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

You can believe what is so obviously laid out for you in the scriptures or you can continue to be dedicated to the traditions of men which you find more agreeable. Several people have repeatedly posted the word of God which refutes the non-biblical religious idea that baptism in water is just an empty ritual performed for the sole purpose of publicly showing people that somebody joined the Church.

If you don't want to know then you don't get to know.

iakov the fool

None of my learning comes by any man as I am dedicated to none nor affiliated with any church. I have posted scripture that also refutes baptism is in water after that of John's water baptism where he decreased so Jesus could increase. I have also given all those scriptures from the NT that shows water means the living word of God, especially in John 3:5 and Acts 10:47, but yet you all seem to reject them for how you are being taught by the traditional teachings of your church.

 

[JohnDB]

I thought the answer would be obvious.
Apparently some need more clues than others.

A "roadmap" is a good thing. Where some are well versed with things...it is usually newbies to the faith that actually are getting baptized.
So explanations without all the "church words" are extremely helpful.

 

[Cygnus]

I thought the answer would be obvious.
Apparently some need more clues than others.

Forgive me Jim for being as dense as you proclaimed me to be. Perhaps I don't have your high IQ...or perhaps the Holy Spirit working in me the way He is working in you...providing you with X-tra biblical details.

...but the answer isn't really as obvious to me as it is obvious to you. Perhaps you could provide me with some more clues.

 

[for_his_glory]

Mar 16:16 (NKJV) He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."
Act 2:38 (NKJV) Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 19:4-6 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.

How many times does one need to be told? It is what the church has been teaching since the days of the apostles?

nope, nothing about water in those scriptures

 

[reba]

Closed the snark sweeper has showed up..

 

[reba]

I am not going to waist my time cleaning this up.. another nice thread turned into a ugly battle because of egos.
Staff puts out every effort to be fair , just and let conversations flow.. there is always one or 2 members who place themselves above the TOS they agreed to abide by.. and cause thread closures