Is baptism required for salvation?

[donadams]

The Catholic Church is the organization that martyred many Christians who refused to bow down to the pope and acknowledge him as the father over the church.




An obelisk is a tall, square, tapered monument carved from a single stone and topped with a pyramid. The word "obelisk" comes from Greek and means "pointed instrument". The ancient Egyptians called them tekhenu. Obelisks originated in Egypt around 2300 BCE and are often associated with the sun god Ra.


Around 30 BCE, Rome seized control of Egypt and looted the various templecomplexes; in one case they destroyed walls at the Temple of Karnak to haul them out. There are now more than twice as many obelisks that were seized and shipped out by Rome as remain in Egypt. The majority were dismantled during the Roman period over 1,700 years ago and the obelisks were sent to different locations.[<em><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="Multiple claims in this paragraph require citations. (February 2023)">citation needed</span></a></em>]

The largest standing and tallest Egyptian obelisk is the Lateran Obelisk in the square at the west side of the Lateran Basilica in Rome at 105.6 feet (32.2 m) tall and a weight of 455 metric tons (502 short tons).<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk#cite_note-PBS-Nile-mysteries-Rome-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> More well known is the iconic 25 metres (82 ft), 331-metric-ton (365-short-ton) Vatican obelisk at Saint Peter's Square.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk#cite_note-PBS-Nile-mysteries-Rome-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> Brought to Rome by the Emperor Caligula in 37 CE, it has stood at its current site and on the wall of the Circus of Nero, flanking St Peter's Basilica.

Obelisk - Wikipedia

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Obelisks are an abomination.

oh I agree an obelisk set up to a pagan god would indeed be an abomination, but it ain't the case, there is a cross on that one, representing the fact that the power of Christ conquered all paganism!


i asked, you didn't answer?

heresy is treason against God! do you agree?

treason is punishable by death! do you agree?

most of those who you say are christians are not at all like the albigensian's and waldensians

 

[donadams]

What was the purpose of the Council of Trent?

• Council of Trent:
  The Council of Trent (1545-1563) addressed the abuses surrounding indulgences, condemning the practice of selling them for profit, but also reaffirming the validity of indulgences themselves, according to Britannica.

abuses are not christian practices but an abuse of christian practice

no selling simply an accusation of the english reformers

salvation by the shilling

indulgences have nothing to do with salvation

 

[donadams]

The Catholic Church is the organization that martyred many Christians who refused to bow down to the pope and acknowledge him as the father over the church.




An obelisk is a tall, square, tapered monument carved from a single stone and topped with a pyramid. The word "obelisk" comes from Greek and means "pointed instrument". The ancient Egyptians called them tekhenu. Obelisks originated in Egypt around 2300 BCE and are often associated with the sun god Ra.


Around 30 BCE, Rome seized control of Egypt and looted the various templecomplexes; in one case they destroyed walls at the Temple of Karnak to haul them out. There are now more than twice as many obelisks that were seized and shipped out by Rome as remain in Egypt. The majority were dismantled during the Roman period over 1,700 years ago and the obelisks were sent to different locations.[<em><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="Multiple claims in this paragraph require citations. (February 2023)">citation needed</span></a></em>]

The largest standing and tallest Egyptian obelisk is the Lateran Obelisk in the square at the west side of the Lateran Basilica in Rome at 105.6 feet (32.2 m) tall and a weight of 455 metric tons (502 short tons).<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk#cite_note-PBS-Nile-mysteries-Rome-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> More well known is the iconic 25 metres (82 ft), 331-metric-ton (365-short-ton) Vatican obelisk at Saint Peter's Square.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk#cite_note-PBS-Nile-mysteries-Rome-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> Brought to Rome by the Emperor Caligula in 37 CE, it has stood at its current site and on the wall of the Circus of Nero, flanking St Peter's Basilica.

Obelisk - Wikipedia

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Obelisks are an abomination.

what about the ones on the baptist churches, steeples same thing?

 

[JLB]

oh I agree an obelisk set up to a pagan god would indeed be an abomination, but it ain't the case, there is a cross on that one, representing the fact that the power of Christ conquered all paganism!

Catholicism is a mixture of Paganism and Christianity.

That is what the Obelisk and the cross represent.

The erecting of statues to be bowed down to, statues of “saints” to be prayed to and worshipped.

All idolatry.


The Vatican murdered more Christians during the dark ages than Hitler did Jews.


Please read Foxes Book or Martyrs.

 

[donadams]

Catholicism is a mixture of Paganism and Christianity.

That is what the Obelisk and the cross represent.

The erecting of statues to be bowed down to, statues of “saints” to be prayed to and worshipped.

All idolatry.


The Vatican murdered more Christians during the dark ages than Hitler did Jews.


Please read Foxes Book or Martyrs.

foxes is full of bias and errors
no historical evidence
images are not forbidden
only idols that are adorded as a god

worship does not mean adoration but it means to give honor where honor is due as scripture says

Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, (Lk1:45)

Rom 13:7

Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour