Is baptism required for salvation?

[Eternally-grateful]

The Sacraments are NOT about man’s work. They are the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit. They are how Christ dispenses grace to us and how we obtain union with God.

This is nonsensical

God gives grace freely. If one is working to channel Gods grace to them through these works. then it is not of grace it is of works.

Sacraments are no more channels of grace as works of the law were.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

born again by water and the spirit

water is directly connected to being born again, they baptized!

show me the word baptism in Jesus discussion with nicodemus

Water and spirit are two births.

just like flesh and spirit are two births.

they are not the same births

jesus said we literally must be born a second time

if you were born of water, you need born of spirit

if you were born of flesh, you must be born of spirit.

 

[donadams]

This is nonsensical

God gives grace freely. If one is working to channel Gods grace to them through these works. then it is not of grace it is of works.

Sacraments are no more channels of grace as works of the law were.

can you baptize yourself?

are the apostles commanded to baptize?

can you by yourself be born again?

Jn 3;5 cannot enter.
2 pet 1:11 an entrance shall be administered unto you.
2 cor 8:19 administered by the apostles reconciling us
2 cor 5:18

thks

 

[donadams]

show me the word baptism in Jesus discussion with nicodemus

Water and spirit are two births.

just like flesh and spirit are two births.

they are not the same births

jesus said we literally must be born a second time

if you were born of water, you need born of spirit

if you were born of flesh, you must be born of spirit.

no no it don't say born of water born again by the spirit

it says born again by both WATER AND THE SPIRIT!

John prepared the way by “water baptism”! Jn 1
Old Testament prefigures baptism! Jn 2 water of purification
Jesus says “water baptism” Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 right away they practiced baptism ((Jn 3:5)) and baptized Jn 3:22
Jn 4:1 baptism
apostles say “water baptism”
matt 28:19 acts 2:38-39 acts 22:16 1 pet 3:20-21 God says “water baptism” ez 36:25-27

 

[JLB]

can you by yourself be born again?

Yes of course.

We are born again by believing.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

 

[donadams]

Yes of course.

We are born again by believing.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

whats the water for?
Jn 3:5 born again by water AND the spirit

 

[donadams]

Yes of course.

We are born again by believing.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

how is believing administered unto you? 2 pet 1;11

 

[JLB]

whats the water for?
Jn 3:5 born again by water AND the spirit

Why are you adding to scripture?

Why are you giving a scripture reference without scripture and then adding a word not in the scripture?

• born of water

Not born again of water. You added the word again.


Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.John 3:5-6

Verse 6 plainly explains what Jesus was referring to.

Born of water = born of flesh; natural birth.

 

[JLB]

how is believing administered unto you? 2 pet 1;11

It’s not.

We all must make the choice to believe.

God gives us grace to believe and therefore obey the Gospel.

Water Baptism is after one believes.

Infant baptism is unscriptural.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

can you baptize yourself?

God baptized me. Like he said he would (romans 6, 1 cor 12 and gal 5 with John the baptist foretelling us he would

are the apostles commanded to baptize?

can you by yourself be born again?

Jn 3;5 cannot enter.
2 pet 1:11 an entrance shall be administered unto you.
2 cor 8:19 administered by the apostles reconciling us
2 cor 5:18

thks

lol. Again, there is no water baptism in john 3: 5

water in john 3 is physical birth.

again show me the word baptize in any of jesus words to nicodemus

if you can I will repent and come to believe as you

if you can't I can not add a word to scripture to make scripture fit my belief system

 

[Eternally-grateful]

no no it don't say born of water born again by the spirit

it says born again by both WATER AND THE SPIRIT!

John prepared the way by “water baptism”! Jn 1
Old Testament prefigures baptism! Jn 2 water of purification
Jesus says “water baptism” Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 right away they practiced baptism ((Jn 3:5)) and baptized Jn 3:22
Jn 4:1 baptism
apostles say “water baptism”
matt 28:19 acts 2:38-39 acts 22:16 1 pet 3:20-21 God says “water baptism” ez 36:25-27

lol

born of water and spirit

2 births

you did not show me the word baptize

Why would you use John? He himself said Jesus would baptize with the HS.

Thats how I was baptized to salvation. Not water.

 

[JLB]

lol

born of water and spirit

2 births

you did not show me the word baptize

Why would you use John? He himself said Jesus would baptize with the HS.

Thats how I was baptized to salvation. Not water.

Amen the context is about birth; natural and spiritual birth.

The earthly thing Jesus used to teach Nicodemus about spiritual birth was natural birth.


If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? John 3:12

 

[donadams]

3

Why are you adding to scripture?

Why are you giving a scripture reference without scripture and then adding a word not in the scripture?

• born of water

Not born again of water. You added the word again.


Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.John 3:5-6

Verse 6 plainly explains what Jesus was referring to.

Born of water = born of flesh; natural birth.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

((the subject is being born again))

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

must be born or born again of water and the spirit!

the new birth is by both water and the spirit

no brainer

 

[donadams]

It’s not.

We all must make the choice to believe.

God gives us grace to believe and therefore obey the Gospel.

Water Baptism is after one believes.

Infant baptism is unscriptural.

((infants)) acts 2:38-39 this promise is to your children

the requirements for infants are different than for adults

 

[donadams]

It’s not.

We all must make the choice to believe.

God gives us grace to believe and therefore obey the Gospel.

Water Baptism is after one believes.

Infant baptism is unscriptural.

the new birth and union with God by grace is by baptismal regeneration
(((WATER AND THE SPIRIT)))

 

[donadams]

God baptized me. Like he said he would (romans 6, 1 cor 12 and gal 5 with John the baptist foretelling us he would

lol. Again, there is no water baptism in john 3: 5

water in john 3 is physical birth.

again show me the word baptize in any of jesus words to nicodemus

if you can I will repent and come to believe as you

if you can't I can not add a word to scripture to make scripture fit my belief system

please see the above responses

 

[donadams]

lol

born of water and spirit

2 births

you did not show me the word baptize

Why would you use John? He himself said Jesus would baptize with the HS.

Thats how I was baptized to salvation. Not water.

the eunuch had scripture God sent an apostle to teach and sanctify by baptism!

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

how did the eunuch know about baptism if the apostles taught "faith alone" as the so called reformers said?

thks

 

[Eternally-grateful]

please see the above responses

why? they do not change anything.

I stick to the word of God. If God wants us to see something, he will spell it out.

He did not tell Nicodemus he needed to be baptized in water. because it was not required.

It was not required before the flood
It was not required after the flood
it was not required under the law
it was not required in Jesus day
and it is not required today.

God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. the gospel is the same for Adam, Noah, Abraham and everyone4 else as it is for us today.

the only difference is, we know the name of the person whom God sent.

.

 

[donadams]

why? they do not change anything.

I stick to the word of God. If God wants us to see something, he will spell it out.

He did not tell Nicodemus he needed to be baptized in water. because it was not required.

It was not required before the flood
It was not required after the flood
it was not required under the law
it was not required in Jesus day
and it is not required today.

God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. the gospel is the same for Adam, Noah, Abraham and everyone4 else as it is for us today.

the only difference is, we know the name of the person whom God sent.

.

just keep picking luthers cotton on the reformation plantations!

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:1-8

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)

Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

Our Holy Religion "truth & the church" are revealed by God and have a divine origin and cannot be reformed, they are immutable!

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

Must Hear Christ!
matt 3:17

Must hear the Church!
Matt 18:17 matt 28:19 acts 1:8

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

The gates of hell SHALL NOT prevail against the one, holy, Catholics,
& apostolic church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles!
Matt 16:18-19

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach & sanctify all men unto eternal salvation of all men!

Christ and His church are one: Acts 9:4 mystical communion: eph 5:32

what does His church say?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

But that is not the context.

the context is the 4 ways people respond to the gospel message

ONLY 1 received it in true saving faith.

the others did not. its why they fell away

Only the first rejects the gospel message straightforward, the other three all received it. From there on, the difference is discipleship - "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me". The first two fail to take up their cross and bear fruit, therefore they'll have no reward in the kingdom, 1 Cor. 3:16.