Is Church of Christ A Cult?

[Webb]

Both feel instruments should not be used. The only reason "coC" is used is to stress their insistence that they are not a denomination. (A REALLY big deal with them)

To use, "CoC", to them would be to agree that the NAME of a denomination was being suggested, rather that just speaking of one of Christ's churches.

I always use CoC, because I feel they really ARE just a denomination, like any other.

I have pointed out that the Christian Church often uses the name CofC and they certainly do use instruments. A little research will show that.

 

[Webb]

Yeah, those were fun times, but I wouldn't last six minutes on Darby Queen these days

Some of these posts are off topic.

 

[Willie T]

I have pointed out that the Christian Church often uses the name CofC and they certainly do use instruments. A little research will show that.

Interesting. Can't say I've ever run across that.

 

[Webb]

Interesting. Can't say I've ever run across that.

In addition the reformed Mormon church wears the name "Church of Christ" as well the United Church of Christ and both have instruments, yet they have no relation to each other nor the churches of Christ.

 

[Willie T]

In addition the reformed Mormon church wears the name "Church of Christ" as well the United Church of Christ and both have instruments, yet they have no relation to each other nor the churches of Christ.

Yeah, I knew that. And the Catholic Church sometimes gets called the church of Christ, or Christ's church.

 

[Webb]

Yeah, I knew that. And the Catholic Church sometimes gets called the church of Christ, or Christ's church.

While traveling in the Southeast U.S. some yrs. ago I saw a sign reading: Baptist Church of Christ. I would assume (although not certain) they had an instrument.

 

[Obadiah]

Perhaps Obadiah would like to comment on Deborah 13's post.

I don't know what more comments I could make. I was referring to a web site that someone else linked to here. It clearly identified itself as a Church of Christ web site and it mentioned holding to the teachings of Joseph Smith. Others that seem to have knowledge in this subject said that the Church of Christ of that web site is not the same Church of Christ that we are discussing here, so I dropped the subject.

 

[Webb]

I don't know what more comments I could make. I was referring to a web site that someone else linked to here. It clearly identified itself as a Church of Christ web site and it mentioned holding to the teachings of Joseph Smith. Others that seem to have knowledge in this subject said that the Church of Christ of that web site is not the same Church of Christ that we are discussing here, so I dropped the subject.

I stated that site had a phone # to call and easily determine for oneself what they were. They are the reformed branch of the Mormon Church. They use the name Church of Christ while the Salt Lake group uses the name Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints.
God bless,
w
Rom.16:16

 

[Obadiah]

I stated that site had a phone # to call and easily determine for oneself what they were. They are the reformed branch of the Mormon Church. They use the name Church of Christ while the Salt Lake group uses the name Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints.
God bless,
w
Rom.16:16

Yes, you did. And I read that statement when you made it. You also stated that perhaps I would like to comment on Deborah13s post and I stated why I saw no need for me to comment on it.

 

[jeff77]

While traveling in the Southeast U.S. some yrs. ago I saw a sign reading: Baptist Church of Christ. I would assume (although not certain) they had an instrument.

How does the coC feel about Baptist? I have friends that are coC and they are nice. I have heard that some say you need to be baptized in their church? Also is there something called "Discipling" where newer members must report things about their personal life to an elder in the church?

 

[th1b.taylor]

How does the coC feel about Baptist? I have friends that are coC and they are nice. I have heard that some say you need to be baptized in their church? Also is there something called "Discipling" where newer members must report things about their personal life to an elder in the church?

And when they go there they border on being cultic at the very least. These believe the false teaching that only their denomination is saved and will usually be the Churches that do not have anything to do with instruments in their worship service. Of course I have generalized here and this is not true of every one of the voice only congregations.

 

[Willie T]

How does the coC feel about Baptist? I have friends that are coC and they are nice. I have heard that some say you need to be baptized in their church? Also is there something called "Discipling" where newer members must report things about their personal life to an elder in the church?

My wife attended the Crossroads congregation of the CoC while in college. She said that, at least there, the "discipling" was pretty bad. People often had to account for every hour of their days... and the restrictions and requirements were quite stringent.

As I said in one of my first posts, this is the most legalistic denominations I have ever had contact with. Or, at least, it was.

 

[Webb]

How does the coC feel about Baptist? I have friends that are coC and they are nice. I have heard that some say you need to be baptized in their church? Also is there something called "Discipling" where newer members must report things about their personal life to an elder in the church?

Hi Jeff77-- I also have friends who are Baptist. We understand baptism differently. We understand baptism is for the remission of sins, to be saved. They do not. Both churches immerse and will not accept sprinkling or pouring.
God bless,
w
Rom.16:16

 

[Webb]

Hi Jeff77-- I also have friends who are Baptist. We understand baptism differently. We understand baptism is for the remission of sins, to be saved. They do not. Both churches immerse and will not accept sprinkling or pouring.
God bless,
w
Rom.16:16

Hi again Jeff77. I regret I forgot to answer your question about the "discipleing" group. They split off from us several decades ago and originated in Florida. I don't know what they are called now but back then they were known as "Crossroads" and originated in Florida. What you said of them I understand is true although I have never met any of them. We today do not claim them and have no fellowship with them believing them to be in error.

 

[Obadiah]

My wife attended the Crossroads congregation of the CoC while in college. She said that, at least there, the "discipling" was pretty bad. People often had to account for every hour of their days... and the restrictions and requirements were quite stringent.

As I said in one of my first posts, this is the most legalistic denominations I have ever had contact with. Or, at least, it was.

This kind of thing sure points to cult status, doesn't it? This isn't "discipling" in the Christian sense, this is extreme control of your followers to erase all individuality and make them compliant to anything you say to them. This is a technique often used by cults.

 

[Willie T]

This kind of thing sure points to cult status, doesn't it? This isn't "discipling" in the Christian sense, this is extreme control of your followers to erase all individuality and make them compliant to anything you say to them. This is a technique often used by cults.

I'm certainly no fan of the CoC, but it has to be remembered that this whole Crossroads movement was heavily influenced by Chuck and Kip... and that they embraced the Boston Movement, and then at least kip went on to the ICC. (He's now with some Christian church, with "Angels" in the name.)

None of this reflects the beliefs of the CoC, overall.

 

[Obadiah]

I'm certainly no fan of the CoC, but it has to be remembered that this whole Crossroads movement was heavily influenced by Chuck and Kip... and that they embraced the Boston Movement, and then at least kip went on to the ICC. (He's now with some Christian church, with "Angels in the name.

None of this reflects the beliefs of the CoC, overall.

Yeah, I understood you are talking about a group that is not currently part of the Church of Christ being discussed in this thread.

 

[Willie T]

Even

Yeah, I understood you are talking about a group that is not currently part of the Church of Christ being discussed in this thread.

When they were a part of the "official, unofficial" CoC, my father-in-law (a staunch "Anti") would almost spit at the mention of Crossroads... and his own daughter went there... much to his chagrin.

 

[Webb]

Yes, you did. And I read that statement when you made it. You also stated that perhaps I would like to comment on Deborah13s post and I stated why I saw no need for me to comment on it.[/QUOTE

In your post 135 you among other things wrote: "This is tending to make me see them more as a cult than I did before reading this, to say the least." Your reference was to the website. Deborah 13 later wrote a excellent post detailing rather well the church of Christ of which I belong to showing we were not a "cult". Others on this thread agreed. I did wonder if you also agreed and thus my comment. I still wonder what your thoughts are now after her post.

It is certainly not my desire or intent to have a personal quarrel with you on this or any matter. I am happy however to discuss with you any doctrinal matter. I hope this helps.
God bless,
w
Rom.16:16

 

[Webb]

Even

When they were a part of the "official, unofficial" CoC, my father-in-law (a staunch "Anti") would almost spit at the mention of Crossroads... and his own daughter went there... much to his chagrin.

Unfortunately some are "anti" everything but "anti-up''.