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What are demons?
Ans: Evil spirits.
What are evil spirits?
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Where do they come from? Did God create them?
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You're going in circles.
What are demons?
Ans: Evil spirits.
What are evil spirits?
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Where do they come from? Did God create them?
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Every Christian that is half knowledgeable knows that an angel is a messenger.What I noticed in some of the comments on this subjects is a circular reasoning that really isn't reasoning at all.
I asked what are demons and evil spirits and the answer comes back "Legion."
I ask where they come from, and the answer comes back "the demonic realm."
Some say demons and evil spirits are fallen angels.
But no one has been able to answer me that if demons and evil spirits are fallen angels why the Holy Spirit did not just use the Hebrew "makek" and the Greek "angelos" which are the words translated "angel" respectively in the Bible.
In the Old Testament, evil spirits appear in the book of Judges and in Kings. In the Septuagint, made for the Greek-speaking Jews of Alexandria, the Greek ángelos (ἄγγελος, "messenger") translates the Hebrew word mal'akh, while daimónion (δαιμόνιον; pl. daimónia (δαιμόνια)), which carries the meaning of a natural spirit that is less than divine (see supernatural), translates the Hebrew word shedim as well as the word se'irim in some verses and words for idols (foreign deities), and describes the being Asmodeus in the Book of Tobit. The use of daimōn in the New Testament's original Greek text caused the Greek word to be applied to the Judeo-Christian concept of an evil spirit by the early second century AD.
Wiki.
So, what believers have been taught since the second century comes from Platonic thought and from the Apocrypha. There is no original thinking among believers in that they have been ingrained with belief's that may not even be Scripture for so long that genuine study of this subject is practically non-existent.
Christians believe demons/devils/evil spirits are angels but cannot explain why the Hebrew "malek" and the Greek "angelos" is not used to define "angels." So, if "angels" are not being identified then there must be something else that is being identified.
But not "angels."
What I noticed in some of the comments on this subjects is a circular reasoning that really isn't reasoning at all.
I asked what are demons and evil spirits and the answer comes back "Legion."
I ask where they come from, and the answer comes back "the demonic realm."
Some say demons and evil spirits are fallen angels.
But no one has been able to answer me that if demons and evil spirits are fallen angels why the Holy Spirit did not just use the Hebrew "makek" and the Greek "angelos" which are the words translated "angel" respectively in the Bible.
In the Old Testament, evil spirits appear in the book of Judges and in Kings. In the Septuagint, made for the Greek-speaking Jews of Alexandria, the Greek ángelos (ἄγγελος, "messenger") translates the Hebrew word mal'akh, while daimónion (δαιμόνιον; pl. daimónia (δαιμόνια)), which carries the meaning of a natural spirit that is less than divine (see supernatural), translates the Hebrew word shedim as well as the word se'irim in some verses and words for idols (foreign deities), and describes the being Asmodeus in the Book of Tobit. The use of daimōn in the New Testament's original Greek text caused the Greek word to be applied to the Judeo-Christian concept of an evil spirit by the early second century AD.
Wiki.
So, what believers have been taught since the second century comes from Platonic thought and from the Apocrypha. There is no original thinking among believers in that they have been ingrained with belief's that may not even be Scripture for so long that genuine study of this subject is practically non-existent.
Christians believe demons/devils/evil spirits are angels but cannot explain why the Hebrew "malek" and the Greek "angelos" is not used to define "angels." So, if "angels" are not being identified then there must be something else that is being identified.
But not "angels."
Messenger is the definition of the Greek word "angelos" as per Strong's. Agreed.Every Christian that is half knowledgeable knows that an angel is a messenger.
Yes, you have difficulty with Isaiah 45:7 which says among other things that God created "evil."I haven't replied yet to your other post to me which represents quite a conflict in the character of God.
I'll get to that let today.
"Scholar" comes from the English word "scholastic." (Greek: "skholastikos") which means a person who devotes his time to learning.I fell upon this and just want to say that you like words and are a scholar of words.
I don't think words interest Christians too much. Most of them try to stay away FROM THE GREEK...
There is more in Scripture than what Jesus taught. Although I agree it is important to know and understand what Jesus said, it is also important to know what Scripture says about Him and these things are found everywhere in Scripture:We tend to think that perhaps it's better to concentrate on Jesus and what He taught and try to move that teaching to how we live our lives.
There IS a way to understand why evil is here and why God allows it: Scripture.There is NO WAY for us to understand WHY evil is here or how it could be that God allows it.
All we know for sure is that there are two systems operating in this world paradigm...
one is good
and one is evil.
I agree. But we are in constant battle with our flesh and the vanities of our mind. Our thought and attitudes can be controlled and influenced by God, or our thoughts and attitudes will be controlled by our carnal mind (ourselves.)The important thing, I believe, is to honor the good force, or whatever you want to call it, I call it God,
and do our best to keep away from the evil force, which I call satan ---a real being.
Nope.Everything else is just talk to pass the time of day.
On all the threads I post I have done that. I have posted what I know about demonic possession and sub-topics like devils and evil spirits. And knowing the exact meaning God gives us on these words is important in becoming an overcoming conqueror in Christ. It is the great general in warfare that knows more about his enemy than the enemy knows of themselves. God has given me a love and desire for His Word. He does this with every believer. But not every believer is committed or once saved they fall in with a bad or false church. Personal sin also blunts our love for God and His Word. Or time interferes. Or family and other involvements we have in life take up our time to study. Or a Christian doesn't know how to study or doesn't have good references and sources to bolster his or her studies. Or a believer simply has a corrupt bible translation they use. Many reasons influence our choices in life. And our sin nature unrestricted drives our Christianity and devotions to God. I'm sure you know these things.Unless you can explain WHY it's so important to have the exact meaning of Angel or Demon or where they come from and what they are.
Yes it’s all Real, the issue is that they didn’t have Neuroscience before and Diagrams of the Brain, but so there are many different ways this can all happen but let’s get into 2. If we look at Arts, or Machines and things, everything comes from the Sky. Books and then like Cell Phones or Computers are obvious examples, but it could be like any kind of Video Games, TV, it could be Drugs, or something with other People you do, but it brings your Head kind of Down in Study or even Reverence of the Sky without even looking at the Sky, and all of it leads back to the Sun, and the Planets, and the Order of everything, but it can seem to pull you away. And then if someone gets into lying you can see someone be different People just walking into different rooms and things, sometimes it’s like an Undercover Cop type thing where the Person is thrust into this or that situation, responding to things they didn’t really choose for themselves, and something comes up in them to meet the Challenge. This happens in all kinds of different ways, and we can start to talk about what it is in the Brain.Jesus encountered many individuals who had demonic possession. What actually is root of the problem. Luke 11:24. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walks through dry places, seeking rest, and finding none . He says, I will return unto the house whence I came out. 11:25. And when he comes, he finds it swept and garnished. 11:26. Then goes he, and takes to him seven other spirits more wicked than him self, and they enter in and dwell there; and last state of that man is worst than the first. Messing with the occult. Or listening to traditions of men, false doctrine. They're inviting unclean spirit to enter. Your to fill your mind with sound doctrine, God's truth. I once dated a girl from old job, 1997.i was inexperienced and dopey young guy. I had bad experience with her. After some months, I stopped seeing her. In 2004, shel left message on the answering machine. It was 5 minutes long and vulgar and pure hatred. She divulged her hate and swearing at me. Halfway through, her voice changed to masculine voice. This scared heck out me. She admitted she was evil. I never heard from her since. I converted to christianity in year 2001.i did drift away for couple years. Then I got back into God's word. Ephesians chapter 2, prince of air does influence children of disobedience. Quick case. Old job. A girl who dated a guy I played tennis with, broke up with him. This is 23 years ago. She had such hatred towards me. She spent her time trying to get me fired. I did nothing to her. I even avoided her. Jesus told us about unclean spirit. Any connection ??. How about the girl who left vile message on answering machine, demonic possession ?
I'm not trying to hide these subjects. I'm trying to understand them.My question to you is why are you trying to hide the devil and his demons with your blatant denial?
"against the wiles of the 'devil.'"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:10-12
As above.against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
rulers of darkness —
Strong's G2888 - kosmokratōr
For G3754 we G2254 wrestle G3823 not G3756 against G2076 G4314 flesh G4561 and G2532blood, G129 but G235 against G4314 principalities, G746 against G4314 powers, G1849against G4314 the rulers G2888 of the darkness G4655 of this G5127 world, G165against G4314 spiritual G4152 wickedness G4189 in G1722 high G2032 places.
- lord of the world, prince of this age
- the devil and his demons
spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places
Jesus and His followers cast out demons and evil unclean spirits.
As above.And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits,to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. Matthew 10:1
As aboveThen Philip went down to the city of Samaria and preached Christ to them. And the multitudes with one accord heeded the things spoken by Philip, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. For unclean spirits, crying with a loud voice, came out of many who were possessed; and many who were paralyzed and lame were healed. And there was great joy in that city. Acts 8:5-8
As aboveNow it happened, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling. This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, “These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation.” And this she did for many days.
But Paul, greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And he came out that very hour. Acts 16:16-18
I woke up at 4:30 MST.Wake Up!
JLB
I believe God is Sovereign over His creation.
God gave me spiritual gifts, but He is still Sovereign over its use.The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD’s;
But the earth He has given to the children of men.
Psalms 115:16
Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion…
Genesis 1:28
Jesus demonstrated what man is supposed to do on earth.
He is our pattern.
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. Acts 10:38
…For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8
God gave me spiritual gifts, but He is still Sovereign over its use.
Only in obedience do they work.
Psychic could be for Profit or not, there are like Psychic Research Projects and things too. Like Bill Murray in Ghost Busters type.Do you understand a "pyschic" is a person who uses their God given gift for financial profit, by the power of a spirit of divination.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Romans 11:29
JLB
True born of God believers use their gifts for the glory of God and benefit of the body of Christ - individual and corporate.Do you understand a "pyschic" is a person who uses their God given gift for financial profit, by the power of a spirit of divination.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Romans 11:29
JLB
I think the question here is where the gift comes from?Psychic could be for Profit or not, there are like Psychic Research Projects and things too. Like Bill Murray in Ghost Busters type.
The gift(s) of God are genuine.I think the question here is where the gift comes from?
God or the evil one.
The Catholic Church released a Document about Gifts among the Laity.The gift(s) of God are genuine.
Human ability - not from Satan or any 'evil one' - is a false gift. A deception.
Peter says the angels that sinned God has chained up.
All of them. All one-third.
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment. 2 Pet. 2:4.
Not a few. Not many. But ALL of them.
So, now all we have to deal with in this world and in this life is our sin nature and the sin nature of others.
The Father is set against the world:
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1 Jn 2:15–16.
The Son [the Word of Truth] is set against the devil [Greek: "devil" diabolos meaning traducer, false accuser, liar]:
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 Jn 3:7–8.
The Spirit is set against the flesh:
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Gal. 5:17.
The world, the flesh, and the devil [liars] are all that we as Christians have to contend with.
ALL the angels that sinned are locked up in chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment.
True born of God believers use their gifts for the glory of God and benefit of the body of Christ - individual and corporate.
I cannot agree with your position that such people are using God-given gifts.
You should know it's all a deception of the mind.
You know, demons.
JLB, I am a true-born-of-God believer since 1977. July 7.Have you been baptized with the Holy Spirit?
JLB
Scripture is plain. You just don't receive the Word of God that God created evil and darkness and a sinful man.
The angels that fell including Lucifer (of whom the word Satan as adjective is attached to him and anyone who is "adversary" of God) are STILL obedient servants of God.
They (the fallen angels) are not in the world possessing people - saved or unsaved.
Where do you think the saying "the devil made me do it" comes from? It's an attempt to clear themselves of any sin or wrong-doing and justify their innocence. Well, think about that for a minute. If the "devil makes us do our sin" then upon what right does God have in condemning a person as guilty of sin if it was someone else who CONTROLLED the person to sin?
God could not judge anyone if the devil actually makes us do sin.
Evil and sin comes from creation. God created evil. You reject the Word of God for your own purpose. Still guessing.
Do Christians sin? Yes, they do.
Even born again believers sin. Taking your statement as above then this means according to you Christians are controlled by Satan.
I'm happy that you know.But you see, in one single second when millions and millions of people on earth sin, where does the sin come from? Satan? He's in all those places in one second of millions and maybe billions of people sinning in one single second?
You see, God said that man's thoughts were evil CONTINUALLY, and this includes born again Christians. And Satan cannot be in all those places with men and women and children making them sin because he is controlling them all in that one single second.
You are still guessing. You don't know.
Who was the authorized version authorized by?JLB, I am a true-born-of-God believer since 1977. July 7.
I been water baptized, spoke tongues, had prophecy spoken over me, had hands laid on me, know my place in the Body of Christ, know my spiritual gifts, heard the voice of God, and God has spoken inspirationally to me several times through Scripture. I use the KJV. So, for me the KJV being called the Authorized Version, God speaking to me through that translation settles that question for the Spirit of Truth will not use corruption or lies to grow one of God's kids.
How about you?
jeremiah1five are your thoughts evil CONTINUALLY ?You see, God said that man's thoughts were evil CONTINUALLY, and this includes born again Christians.