IS FREE WILL AN ATTRIBUTE GOD GIFTED TO MAN?
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Anbraham bargained with God when he received the news of Sodom and Gomorrah's impending doom; he asked God to spare their lives for the sake of as few as ten righteous persons. Moses also pleaded for God's mercy when Israelites worshipped the golden calf and God threatedn to blot them all out and start over with Moses (Ex. 32:9-10); Jacob went further, he didn't just pray or plead, he literally fought with God all night until he received a blessing, that earned him the name Israel - struggle with God - and a broken hip. In your logic, these patriarchs were resisting the sovereign will of God, they were imposing their "free will" upon the Almighty, and yet the Almighty not only listened to them but rewarded them, why is that?
The attitude of throwing in the towel and submitting to what you think is "God's sovereign will".
???? Everyone makes decisions. I don't think you thought out your question. Everyone agrees that everyone makes decisions.
I don't think you thought out your question again.
If God is the cause of us doing good then God gets the glory. If an individual is the sole cause of doing something good then the individual gets the glory.
- 1 Corinthians 4:7 "Who maketh thee to differ from another? And what hast thou that thou didst not receive? Now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?". God had given them everything they had; everything includes faith for those elect
Getting God's perfect way all the time brings him pleasure.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end and the result from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure and purpose,
You got a verse for that? LOL
Let's looks at it from your doctrine ...
Men working independently of God makes God their robot. If you have faith in Christ which you self determine then God must roboticly adopt you as His daughter.
Job 35: 7 “If you are righteous, what do you give God, Or what does He receive from your hand? 8 “Your wickedness affects only a man such as you, And your righteousness affects only a son of man [but it cannot affect God, who is sovereign].
You should consider changing your handle from GodsGrace to GodOwesMe for, according to your theology, He owes you for your self-determined faith and must roboticly be caused to adopt you. You are in this instance sovereign over the All Mighty ... well, technically God is not All Mighty using your doctrine as you have the power over God to cause Him to save you. Congrats.
I don't.
It's you that controls some things and thus you have control over God as your doctrine portends that you can act independent of Him even to the point that God must adopt you because you self-determined to believe.
Aside: there's a reason scripture uses the word "adopt"; because it is the parent (God) that chooses to adopt a child or not.... under your theology the dead child (dead in sin Col 2:13) adopts the parent (God).... a definite twisting of God's word.
How can you be a soldier for Free Will and not be able to define it. Just google it rather than making up your own unique, obtuse definition.
Example: the supposed power or capacity of humans to make decisions or perform actions independently of any prior event or state of the universe.
LOL ... well, if God picked every individual and if God can do math .... then obviously He knows the number.
So God picked the individuals first and then did the math by adding them up - which coincidentally reached these numbers? Doesn't that defeat your own argument of predestination? How about God "predestined" this specific quota of 144,000, with 12,000 from each tribe, then these spots are being filled up with worthy and qualified individuals? You know, sometimes it's not just about a bunch of random facts, the right, logical order of these facts, the way you phrase and present them matter more than the merit of these facts.
If God changed His mind then He is not immutable. If God can change then His word can change.
God says: Hebrews 6:17 Accordingly God also, in His desire to show more convincingly and beyond doubt to those who were to inherit the promise the unchangeableness of His purpose and plan, intervened (mediated) with an oath.
God is all knowing. He knew what Hezekiah would do and how He would respond.
When you come up with these ideas always ask yourself ... does my idea contradict the attributes of God. Immutable, all knowing, omnipresent, all powerful, etc. etc.
think upon what you're saying.... you're saying God is Almighty and then saying we can impose our will upon Him. Apparently you don't believe God is Almighty as you believe we have independent power.
That's easy or you to say with 20-20 vision in retrospect, what would you do if you were in Hezekiah's situation? How would you know whether it was a test or not? Had Hezekiah succumbed to the word of God in Is. 38:1 and peacefully accepted his fate, had he not resisted it with his "own idea" that contradicted that order, would God still add 15 years to his life? These are not my ideas, sir, these are legitimate biblical examples that contradict your doctrine.
You didn't answer me why those patriarchs got to impose their wills upon God, and why God listened to them. For the record, I never assume anything or impose my will on anybody.
post 105 is an example. You clearly do not understand what I posted ,yet you say all Christians agree, but you do not agree at all. You say you read what I posted. maybe you did, but it is clear you do not understand the post, by how you respond.
No, this just shows you do not understand.
Yes, everyday
It has been explained to you over and over but you are so busy resisting you cannot see it.
Men are fully responsible for everything they do and say. God does not make choices for you. God does not force you to say things, you do it.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Nevertheless God ordains all that comes to pass.
I just did. Non reformed people such as yourself, never get it.
It is not, it is a statement of who we are In Christ and to act accordingly.
correct, the bible teaches it despite those who do not see it.
No, that is not an option, it is fact.
If you read and understand it teaches you and everyone else this truth
Free will is a concept in philosophy and science that refers to the ability of humans to make decisions or perform actions independently of any prior event or state of the universe12. Free will is often associated with moral, philosophical and psychological responsibility for one's actions23. Free will implies that people can do different things and have different outcomes in their lives34. Some use the term “free will” loosely to reflect the role of conscious decisions in shaping one's life.
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I wish I had used my free will to go to school instead of choosing to get drunk and stoned all the time.