Is hellfire real?

[reba]

you cant post if its closed... Maybe "Similar threads have been closed " would have been a better choice of words....

 

[agua.]

Same answer.

Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

This is where the cursed and damned and wicked and unrighteousness will end up.

JLB

So what was is name of this place do you know ?

 

[Kathi]

Imo if we are "with God" we go to heaven when we "sleep". If we die and are not "with God" we "sleep" till his return just one opinion.

When the Bible describes a person "sleeping" in relation to death it does not mean literal sleep.Sleeping is just a way to describe death because a dead body appears to be asleep.The moment we die,we face the judgment of God Hebrews 9:27.

 

[Kathi]

So what was is name of this place do you know ?

Right now the unbelivers are in hades awaiting the Great White Throne judgment.Hell is now empty.At the Great White Throne Judgment the unbelivers and Satan and his angels will be throne into eternal fire and eternal conscious torment which is hell.

 

[agua.]

Right now the unbelivers are in hades awaiting the Great White Throne judgment.Hell is now empty.At the Great White Throne Judgment the unbelivers and Satan and his angels will be throne into eternal fire and eternal conscious torment which is hell.

Didn't you just say unbelievers were judged at death ? What is the name of this Hell ?

 

[Kathi]

Didn't you just say unbelievers were judged at death ? What is the name of this Hell ?

No that was believers that I said were judged when they die.We immediately go to heaven and we are judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ/Bema Seat judgment.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

 

[agua.]

No that was believers that I said were judged when they die.We immediately go to heaven and we are judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ/Bema Seat judgment.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

But Hebrews 9 says all men are appointed to die and then judgement not just believers. How do you know the Bema Seat happens directly at death ?

 

[Kathi]

But Hebrews 9 says all men are appointed to die and then judgement not just believers. How do you know the Bema Seat happens directly at death ?

Right all men will be judged.The believers when they die and immediately go to heaven Romans 14:10-12 and the unbelievers who are waiting right now in hades to be judged at the Great White Throne judgment.Their will be two judgments.One for the believers and one for the unbelievers.

 

[agua.]

Right all men will be judged.The believers when they die and immediately go to heaven Romans 14:10-12 and the unbelievers who are waiting right now in hades to be judged at the Great White Throne judgment.Their will be two judgments.One for the believers and one for the unbelievers.

Which scriptures show the Bema seat judgement is at death ? Romans 14:10-12 doesn't seem to.

Rom 14:10-12 KJV But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. (11) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. (12) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

 

[agua.]

If anything I meant hypotheses rather than theory. "Premise" is a meaningless term in science. And I already gave my theory in post #19.

Ah ok true I'm used to speaking in general terms. I've just read your hypothesis it may be difficult to test but it is interesting. Have you considered that the heat we produce is used in metabolism or dissipated by our cooling sytem ? It's good to hypothesize it's fun.

So we are like little funaces running around, why don't we feel the heat? Yes, we have natural heat dissipation systems, but why don't we feel the heat? Because God insulates us from the sensation of heat. Without his grace, we would burn alive from our own metabolic processes.

 

[KevinK]

Oh yes, I understand. I'm used to scientific jargon, and sometimes am not completely clear to someone speaking "regular" English. Thank you, reminders sometimes help.

This is definitely a speculative theory, perhaps even one that's kind of "out there" if you know what I mean. I get blasted for coming on all X-Files and such, but I don't mind. Many of my ideas have proven useful, indeed marketable.

The heat from metabolism does indeed get dissipated by natural cooling systems. But my question is why we don't feel it before it dissipates? We're not sitting in a car with the engine running; we are the car. Cars are made of metals and composites, so aren't "bothered" by a little heat (plus the fact that they lack a central nervous system and aren't alive). If they were alive, I think they'd need the "G" factor to circumvent physical torment. Try putting your hand near the cylinder head of a car engine that's been running awhile (don't actually touch it, it is HOT). Would anyone want to get that hot and stay there for an extended time period (the rest of your life)?

One interesting note: the energy efficiency of a human being is roughly in the same ballpark as an average automobile engine, i.e. around 20% give or take. It is commonly said, however, that put the human on a road bicycle, and you not only surpass the ICE, you have the most efficient machine in the universe, period.

 

[agua.]

Oh yes, I understand. I'm used to scientific jargon, and sometimes am not completely clear to someone speaking "regular" English. Thank you, reminders sometimes help.

This is definitely a speculative theory, perhaps even one that's kind of "out there" if you know what I mean. I get blasted for coming on all X-Files and such, but I don't mind. Many of my ideas have proven useful, indeed marketable.

The heat from metabolism does indeed get dissipated by natural cooling systems. But my question is why we don't feel it before it dissipates? We're not sitting in a car with the engine running; we are the car. Cars are made of metals and composites, so aren't "bothered" by a little heat (plus the fact that they lack a central nervous system and aren't alive). If they were alive, I think they'd need the "G" factor to circumvent physical torment. Try putting your hand near the cylinder head of a car engine that's been running awhile (don't actually touch it, it is HOT).

One interesting note: the energy efficiency of a human being is roughly in the same ballpark as an average automobile engine, i.e. around 20% give or take. It is commonly said, however, that put the human on a road bicycle, and you not only surpass the ICE, you have the most efficient machine in the universe, period.

Ah oky doky cool ! I'm interested in seeing the data tables for this do you have some ? esp.

One interesting note: the energy efficiency of a human being is roughly in the same ballpark as an average automobile engine, i.e. around 20% give or take. It is commonly said, however, that put the human on a road bicycle, and you not only surpass the ICE, you have the most efficient machine in the universe, period

 

[Classik]

LOL

 

[jasonc]

welcome Kathi to the grey area of the after life. I have wondered how souls can be in the sea, death and hades. and if you notice it doesn't say there wasn't any saints there. only those that were dead that weren't found in the book of life were cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Kathi]

welcome Kathi to the grey area of the after life. I have wondered how souls can be in the sea, death and hades. and if you notice it doesn't say there wasn't any saints there. only those that were dead that weren't found in the book of life were cast into the lake of fire.

If a person is a Christian and they die their souls immediatedly goes to heaven.If a person is an unbeliever their soul immediately goes to hades.The body that is in the grave stays their until their resurrection.That also goes for those who have been lost at sea even though the fish have eaten them or a person who has been cremated.It does not matter.The body of the believers in the grave will be resurrected with their souls at the time the rapture.The bodies in the graves will go to meet Christ before the raptured people will meet Christ in the air.That also goes for the believers who have been lost at sea or cremated or whatever.The unbelievers bodies do not get resurrected to their souls until the end of the Millenium where they will be judged at the Great White Throne judgment.

 

[jasonc]

If a person is a Christian and they die their souls immediatedly goes to heaven.If a person is an unbeliever their soul immediately goes to hades.The body that is in the grave stays their until their resurrection.That also goes for those who have been lost at sea even though the fish have eaten them or a person who has been cremated.It does not matter.The body of the believers in the grave will be resurrected with their souls at the time the rapture.The bodies in the graves will go to meet Christ before the raptured people will meet Christ in the air.That also goes for the believers who have been lost at sea or cremated or whatever.The unbelievers bodies do not get resurrected to their souls until the end of the Millenium where they will be judged at the Great White Throne judgment.

that is the big problem I have with that, will their be dead saints in the millennium? yup death isn't done until after so we have this, the church in some body, the millennial and trib saints whom died where? and if they are in heaven then what? where is the church at this time? on the earth in heaven?

besides the early church taught that the resurrection was after the chialism. one resurrection not two.

 

[jasonc]

uhm, I want to add, do a study on the word soul to. its these words in Hebrew. ruach, nephesh, nephesh Chaya, neshima,(sp?),yechida, whilst the greek uses psuche, soma, psyche, and pone.

a dead person doesn't loose his soul. his soul lost its fleshly covering, a lawyer of it. we have souls, we are a soul.

 

[Kathi]

that is the big problem I have with that, will their be dead saints in the millennium? yup death isn't done until after so we have this, the church in some body, the millennial and trib saints whom died where? and if they are in heaven then what? where is the church at this time? on the earth in heaven?

besides the early church taught that the resurrection was after the chialism. one resurrection not two.

We will be reigning with Christ at the tribulation and the Millennium.We will have our resurrected bodies.We will not be dead we will be very alive.I am not sure what else you are asking.We are the Church as Christians.We will be raptured and will reign with Christ forever.Their will be Christians who will go into the Millenium if they have survived the tribulation.I am thinking their will be very,very few.They will not die.They will just go into the Millennium.These people will be about to get married and have children.Some of these Children will fall away from Christ during the Millennium.Does that make sense?

 

[jasonc]

We will be reigning with Christ at the tribulation and the Millennium.We will have our resurrected bodies.We will not be dead we will be very alive.I am not sure what else you are asking.We are the Church as Christians.We will be raptured and will reign with Christ forever.Their will be Christians who will go into the Millenium if they have survived the tribulation.I am thinking their will be very,very few.They will not die.They will just go into the Millennium.These people will be about to get married and have children.Some of these Children will fall away from Christ during the Millennium.Does that make sense?

again, an body that isn't flesh? so what about the saved saints that do stay they will die. where is it in the book of revalation that men wont die prior to the final destruction of death. if death is still around and it is because the bible says it is unless you want to argue that death is cast into gehenna prior to the millennium. good luck with that.

here read up revelation 20

and well I could also rip that children one as well that means those Christians were most of the nature they will die too. the fact that means another resurrection.

 

[Kathi]

again, an body that isn't flesh? so what about the saved saints that do stay they will die. where is it in the book of revalation that men wont die prior to the final destruction of death. if death is still around and it is because the bible says it is unless you want to argue that death is cast into gehenna prior to the millennium. good luck with that.

here read up revelation 20

and well I could also rip that children one as well that means those Christians were most of the nature they will die too. the fact that means another resurrection.

What do you think happens to a person when they die?Do you believe a person has a soul?Do you believe in hell?Do you believe in a literal tribualtion?What is going to happen there?Who will be in that tribulation?How long do you think that tribulation will last?What do you think will happen after that tribulation?Do you think there will be a literal 1000 year millenium?Maybe those are some of the questions that need to be asked.