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Bible Study Is It Anything About The Sabbath That We Must Know?

Dorothy Mae said:
No one says we only obey when we understand. What I addressed is your insisting God allows you what you think (but not others so your opinion is superior in your view.)
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It sure can be challenging for a man sometimes, to talk to a woman. Now I don't mean women are bad. Just that it can be a challenge!

But Sister, from what I can tell from following along this thread, you seem to be missing a wee potion of what Walter knows which you may not have considered yet?

I have been learning to not talk about it cuz nobody believes it anyway, but hearing the still small voice of God is a very real thing. When one is learned in hearing the still small voice it is an ongoing thing. And sometimes it says things that may not directly be in scripture. I know how much people should rely on scripture but it's still only 66 books made it to print. So if a (unpublished) word of God was spoken after the book was published, would it therefore be untrue? Lol. No.
Test all spirits.

I came back to the Lord in a big way in 2009 after He saved my life. I have learned so much about Him in that time that changes have been noted by myself. I guess the point is, I usually read Walters posts because they're good. I don't post in his threads much because how do you debate the truth? You don't. It's the truth. The Brother has a different walk than me but if I agree with so many (all?) of his posts, then its a good assumption that the Lord teaches us the same things in general at least.

Does that sound like something God would say? Sure it does and that makes it have a certain ring to it. When one can perceive the presence of the Holy Spirit and also able to hear the still small voice of God...things get revealed, truth rings apparent. Don't underestimate the spiritual realm because one day it will knock on your door, Lol

I suggest that you practice trying to hear the still small voice of God.
 
miamited said:
Hi wondering

My thoughts are that we have long misunderstood the purpose of the Sabbath. Jesus rebuked the Jews for how they had made the Sabbath command and day fraught with all sorts of rules and regulations that he seemed to imply went further than the command was intended. This is when he made the comment that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.

The law of the Sabbath had nothing to do with worship. The early Christians did not change the Sabbath, they merely chose the day of the Lord's resurrection as the day to hold formal worship gatherings. The Sabbath law was never about worship. The Sabbath law is quite clear. No one was to work and the day was to be holy unto the Lord. Holy is defined as 'set apart'. God has asked us to recognize the Sabbath as a day of rest and to keep it set apart from all of our other 6 days. There are at least a thousand times that God asks us to keep or honor things as 'holy'. It doesn't then mean that we are to call some congregational worship meeting because He used the word 'holy' to describe something.

Do not work seven days, and understand that on the day of rest, that you are resting because the day has been set apart for you to do such as God's command to you. Keep it holy.

God bless,
Ted
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I agree .
The thousand times though are not part of the ten commandments.
But I do have to say that if those that knew Jesus' teachings changed from the sabbath to the Lord's Day, I'm good with it.
 
Edward said:
That's a good question. The thing is, it is a commandment. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy...

SO I wonder how many of the Saturday Sabbath people actually make effort to make it a Holy day, and not just my day off from work to laze around the house?

Keeping the sabbath has become the phrase and people seem to be dropping the keep it Holy part. You may be on to something here. I suspect if God had His way that it would be on Saturday.

But that immediately begs the question...If a dedicated Sunday sabbath finds that Saturday will not work for them, so choose Sunday because it will...and suppose that they move in their dedication and thir faith to the point that, they do make Holy the Sunday sabbath knowing that it should be on Saturday so extra effort is taken which may surpass the amount of keeping it Holy moreso than a man who takes saturday off but no effort to keep the sabbath Holy. Would this Sunday Holy Sabbath person surpass the other in the eyes of God?!

I think it is possible!
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Are you trying to confuse me!!

Yes. I can't speak for God but I would agree with you that the person keeping Sunday truly holy will be preferable...

This is why we say it's the spirit and not the law.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Then one or both of us are NOT believing the way that Jesus said. Jesus did NOT say God is allowing you to think as you do whereas others merely have opinions.

But we’ve obviously reached an impasse. You’ve refused to admit you think more highly of your opinion than others’ opinions. More than point this out, I cannot do.
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Yes, Sister, I understand what you are saying, I must consider what you are saying also, please give me time as I read, so I can be slow to speak, ok?
  • To speak the same thing, we must speak according to God's word: "If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God" (1 Peter 4:11). To be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment, our thoughts, words and actions must be guided by the word of God. How can we be divided if we obey Christ?

Love, Walter
 
WalterandDebbie said:
Yes, Sister, I understand what you are saying, I must consider what you are saying also, please give me time as I read, so I can be slow to speak, ok?
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Ok but for someone slow to speak, you and Debbie post A LOT of threads. Doesn’t appear that you’re slow to speak there.

My advise is not to think more highly of your own opinion than you ought. There is a scripture for that. Do you want it?
 
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I want to add this for consideration.

Saturday is the seventh day of the week. Exodus 20:8-11 is God's instruction on keeping the Saturday Sabbath, which is called a High Sabbath being different then the seventh day sabbath as being called a day of rest. It was never part of the seven commandments given to Noah after the flood, but given to Moses after the exodus as the Israelites stayed at MT. Sinai for a year before entering the promised land.

Many things have changed through out the generations from the time of Noah and it was odd that God did not give him the sabbath commandment, but only gave it to Moses in God's laws as God was pretty explicit in how we are to keep it. But, then we read what is written in Matthew 12:1-13 especially vs. 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. He that commanded the law of the sabbath could also dispense with it as we can see in the writings of Matthew. Why can Jesus dispense of it, because He is the Lord of the sabbath as Christ is now our sabbath as we rest in Him.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Christ is greater than the temple and has all the perfections of the divine nature in Him and is equal to God in power and glory, even as a mediator who has all power in heaven and earth that God gave Him. Christ is Lord of the sabbath.


Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
 
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Edward said:
I suspect if God had His way that it would be on Saturday.
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But, who is man that he should change the Saturday sabbath to Sunday, or any other day, to fit into their day off. What God establishes is meant to be followed as in the seventh day God rested and sanctified that day separating it from all the other days as a day of rest. There is no ceremony in that day as being a Holy day, but a day that is holy unto God for He is holy as we sit back and reflect on all God did in six days. This is not a High Sabbath as that of the Exodus, but a day of God's rest.
 
for_his_glory said:
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
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I didn't have this scripture to post but it proves my point. It's what I was saying. Pick your own day and don't worry about it. So the Lord does teach the same things to different people. And why not? He has one message, just a long one, lol.
 
for_his_glory said:
But, who is man that he should change the Saturday sabbath to Sunday, or any other day, to fit into their day off. What God establishes is meant to be followed as in the seventh day God rested and sanctified that day separating it from all the other days as a day of rest. There is no ceremony in that day as being a Holy day, but a day that is holy unto God for He is holy as we sit back and reflect on all God did in six days. This is not a High Sabbath as that of the Exodus, but a day of God's rest.
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WHo is the man? Well but we're real busy and need you. Besides we're going to be slow month so we have to do all we can right now, so you do have to work Saturday...

That's the man. The idolator, who puts a profit above God.
 
wondering said:
I agree .
The thousand times though are not part of the ten commandments.
But I do have to say that if those that knew Jesus' teachings changed from the sabbath to the Lord's Day, I'm good with it.
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Hi wondering

So, it's your belief that when God uses the word 'holy' in His statements of the 10 commandments, it has a different meaning? What am I missing in this? Any chance you would post for me the two different definitions of 'holy' for me?

God bless,
Ted
 
Edward said:
WHo is the man? Well but we're real busy and need you. Besides we're going to be slow month so we have to do all we can right now, so you do have to work Saturday...

That's the man. The idolator, who puts a profit above God.
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The man being those who changed the Saturday worship to Sunday worship, but I guess that doesn't have anything to do with Saturday sabbath so will leave that at the wayside since I thought about that a little more.

Whether God considers how many have to work on Saturday, as there are just as many that have to work on Sunday, and since this sabbath not being a Holy day, but a day to just remember then I would think God would not have an issue with whatever day we have as a day of rest as man was made for the sabbath rest.
 

Hebrew - English Dictionary​

H6944 - Holy​

Strong's No.:H6944
Hebrew:קֹדֶשׁ
Transliteration:qôdesh
Phonetic:ko'-desh
Word Origin:From H6942
Bible Usage:consecrated ({thing}) dedicated ({thing}) hallowed ({thing}) {holiness} (X most) holy (X {day} {portion} {thing}) {saint} sanctuary.
Part of Speech:Noun Masculine
Strongs
Definition:		a sacred place or thing; rarely abstractly sanctity
Brown Driver
Biggs Definition:		1. apartness, holiness, sacredness, separateness
a. apartness, sacredness, holiness
1. of God
2. of places
3. of things
b. set-apartness, separateness
 
for_his_glory said:
I want to add this for consideration.

Saturday is the seventh day of the week. Exodus 20:8-11 is God's instruction on keeping the Saturday Sabbath, which is called a High Sabbath being different then the seventh day sabbath as being called a day of rest. It was never part of the seven commandments given to Noah after the flood, but given to Moses after the exodus as the Israelites stayed at MT. Sinai for a year before entering the promised land.

Many things have changed through out the generations from the time of Noah and it was odd that God did not give him the sabbath commandment, but only gave it to Moses in God's laws as God was pretty explicit in how we are to keep it. But, then we read what is written in Matthew 12:1-13 especially vs. 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. He that commanded the law of the sabbath could also dispense with it as we can see in the writings of Matthew. Why can Jesus dispense of it, because He is the Lord of the sabbath as Christ is now our sabbath as we rest in Him.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Christ is greater than the temple and has all the perfections of the divine nature in Him and is equal to God in power and glory, even as a mediator who has all power in heaven and earth that God gave Him. Christ is Lord of the sabbath.


Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
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Hello for_his_glory, have you considered what was the posts on page 1 #3, 4, and 5. because Jesus never changed from
doing His Father's will by what He was doing entering into the synagogue on the Sabbath Day Himself Luke 4:16, and aren't we supposed to follow His steps 1 Peter 2:21 keeping His commandments as He has said?

Love, Walter
 
WalterandDebbie said:
Hello for_his_glory, have you considered what was the posts on page 1 #3, 4, and 5. because Jesus never changed from
doing His Father's will by what He was doing entering into the synagogue on the Sabbath Day Himself Luke 4:16, and aren't we supposed to follow His steps 1 Peter 2:21 keeping His commandments as He has said?

Love, Walter
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This begins to explain why you honor the Jewish time counting instead of the christian, anno domini, in the year of our Lord, which the Jews dislike, of course. There’s a hint of a return to the old covenant there before Christ.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
This begins to explain why you honor the Jewish time counting instead of the christian, anno domini, in the year of our Lord, which the Jews dislike, of course. There’s a hint of a return to the old covenant there before Christ.
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Again, this is the way that you see it, you are being judgmental, or are you because of your belief?
 
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WalterandDebbie said:
Again, this is the way that you see it, you are being judgmental, or are you because of your belief?
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Actually I am discerning that more and more foolish Christians are adapting old Jewish ways thinking they are more spiritual although becoming actually less. There’s a move to change away from designating years as “in the year of our Lord” to remove Jesus as the pivotal point in human history. You’ll be right in step with this Antichrist decision.
 
miamited said:
Hi wondering

So, it's your belief that when God uses the word 'holy' in His statements of the 10 commandments, it has a different meaning? What am I missing in this? Any chance you would post for me the two different definitions of 'holy' for me?

God bless,
Ted
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No.
Misunderstanding.
You stated that there are many holy things, people, etc.

Yes. But they are not part of the 10 commandments.
I was making the observation that keeping the Sabbath holy is part of the 10 commandments.
(I wasn't referring to the Holy part).

I'm not a Sabbath keeper, but I post what comes to mind at the time and many times it has come to mind that although we worship on Sunday, Saturday worship is part of the 10.
 
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