Is Jesus Christ a created being (Begotten Son) or has He always existed alongside God the Father (Eternal Son)?

[My Rock]

So what were the understood implications of " I am Son of God the Father, I (The Eternal Word not Son according to Scripture) am come down from heaven as My Father has sent me (Humanity, Flesh, Son)"? "as My Father has sent me" this latter half means the Word is already here in Human form this being sent is referring to Son/Messiah being sent on His public ministry.

 

[My Rock]

Jesus spoke many times in length and in great detail of His pre-incarnate existence :

Luke 10:18
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

By the way, how can Jesus in His pre-incarnate state as the motherless "word" , have been given a pair of eyes with which to view Satan falling from heaven ?
Where would the eyes be located on the "word" ?

And the Word was God. What God sees the Word does as well because God's Word is contained in Him until He chooses to express it in some form; donkey, burning bush, voice from heaven and fully and completely forever in Jesus Christ.

 

[Consecrated Life]

" Son of the Father, Son that came From Above , Son who came down from heaven, as My Father sent Me" are the specifics of His past that Jesus spoke eye to eye to the people.
Do you consider all these statements by Jesus concerning His Sonship to be the truth ?

John 8:23
I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Yes of course Jesus is Truth. But probably not in the same way you do and most Trinitarians as well. Focused so much on the divinity and eternality of Christ you forget when to Interpret passages where he acts, says and does from His full Humanity.

For me I will continue trust the Truth of God as black ink on white paper rather than strained alternate substitutions for God's Word used to provide an alternate truth.
A very old and well worn tactic by the way.

Genesis 3:1
..... Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

 

[follower]

John 8:23
I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Realizing yes? that the majority of readers or visitors are of this world, and can in no way understand spiritual.

Where would the eyes be located on the "word" ?

I think or at least hope you know that the Father YHVH has no "parts", as written He Is Spirit (not "a" spirit).

 

[Question]

Was God His own son? Did Two of Themselves send a Third One?
Then rest of God's angels are also referred to as "sons'.
Because they had a Beginning!

 

[My Rock]

Was God His own son? Did Two of Themselves send a Third One?
Then rest of God's angels are also referred to as "sons'.
Because they had a Beginning!

We must first acknowledge that we cannot limit God or confine Him to our human understanding—He is capable of doing anything according to His will. God the Father is Spirit and is omnipresent, meaning He is fully present in all places at all times. This omnipresence includes His full indwelling in Christ, who is the manifestation of God in the flesh, while simultaneously remaining everywhere else. Thus, in the mystery of the Incarnation, God is both Father and Son—Father in the sense that He is the divine source of the human nature of Jesus, and Son in that He took on human form and lived among us. This profound truth reveals the complexity and unity of God’s nature, where He is both fully God and fully man, without contradiction.

 

[Question]

We must first acknowledge that we cannot limit God or confine Him to our human understanding—He is capable of doing anything according to His will. God the Father is Spirit and is omnipresent, meaning He is fully present in all places at all times. This omnipresence includes His full indwelling in Christ, who is the manifestation of God in the flesh, while simultaneously remaining everywhere else. Thus, in the mystery of the Incarnation, God is both Father and Son—Father in the sense that He is the divine source of the human nature of Jesus, and Son in that He took on human form and lived among us. This profound truth reveals the complexity and unity of God’s nature, where He is both fully God and fully man, without contradiction.

That's the excuse always given. But it's nonsense.
Can God LIE if He had the desire to?
Could he create something to huge to Him to lift?

Just church psyobabble.

Can you think outside the box?

 

[My Rock]

That's the excuse always given. But it's nonsense.

Dismissing the profound truths of God’s nature as "nonsense" overlooks the depth of divine revelation found in Scripture. The Bible consistently presents God as both transcendent and immanent—beyond human understanding yet revealing Himself in ways we can grasp. In Deuteronomy 29:29, we are reminded that "the secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children forever." While the full nature of God may be beyond our comprehension, the Incarnation is a revealed truth that invites us to humbly accept the mystery of God manifesting in the flesh. This is not an excuse but a recognition of the divine complexity that God, in His wisdom, has chosen to disclose to humanity.

Can God LIE if He had the desire to?

It's essential to understand that God's nature is inherently truthful and faithful. The Bible reveals that "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent" (Numbers 23:19). In the context of Jesus’ humanity, while He experienced genuine human emotions and limitations, His divine nature remained consistent with the attributes of God. Jesus, in His humanity, did not possess the capability or desire to lie, as lying is contrary to the essence of God’s nature, which is truth. The Incarnation did not alter or compromise God's divine attributes; rather, it demonstrated how God’s unchanging nature interacts with human limitations. Therefore, while Jesus’ human experience was real, His divine nature remained fully aligned with truth and righteousness.

Could he create something to huge to Him to lift?

The question of whether God could create something too large for Him to lift can be approached by understanding the nature of divine omnipotence. God’s omnipotence is not about paradoxical impossibilities but about His ability to accomplish His will within the bounds of His own nature. The idea of creating something “too large to lift” is a logical paradox that does not reflect on God’s power but rather on the limits of human logic and language. God's omnipotence includes His ability to work within the mystery of the Incarnation, where He manifested Himself in human form while remaining omnipresent. The apparent contradiction in the question does not reflect on God’s power but rather highlights the limitations of human understanding when trying to grasp the nature of divine omnipotence and the mystery of the Incarnation. God's nature is not subject to human constraints or paradoxes but is wholly consistent with His attributes of power and omnipresence.

Just church psyobabble.

Dismissing deep theological truths as "church psychobabble" reflects a misunderstanding of the spiritual and doctrinal foundations of the Christian faith. It is essential to recognize that the teachings of the Church are grounded in the Word of God and are meant to guide believers into a deeper understanding of divine truths. 1 Corinthians 2:14 explains that "the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him." The mysteries of God, including the Incarnation, are spiritually discerned and require faith and humility to understand. Rather than dismissing these teachings, we are called to seek God with an open heart, trusting that His wisdom is greater than our own.

Can you think outside the box?

I am seeking to transcend the limitations and misconceptions that many people impose on God's nature, aiming to understand Him beyond the constraints of their preconceived notions. The charge of "putting God in a box" suggests an attempt to limit or constrain God’s nature, but Oneness theology actually seeks to uphold the full and unified nature of God as revealed in Scripture. Far from confining God, it strives to understand and express the mystery of His being as both Father and Son. God’s omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience are affirmed within this framework, recognizing that while our human understanding is limited, God’s revelation in Christ provides a coherent and profound understanding of His nature. The aim is not to limit God but to faithfully reflect the biblical witness of His nature and work. Acknowledging the mystery of the Incarnation and the unity of God’s nature as Father and Son respects the divine mystery while affirming the truths revealed in Scripture.

 

[My Rock]

In the vast expanse of eternity, God, the Great I Am, who is beyond time and space, chose to unveil His profound glory in a manner that harmonizes with His divine nature without contradiction. The eternal God, who exists in the fullness of omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience, decided to manifest His essence in human form as His own Son, Jesus Christ. This manifestation was not merely a matter of redemption but a deeply relational act revealing the fullness of God's desire to experience and express the depth of His love and understanding through the very fabric of human existence. (NOTE: I ask with deep emotional tears why anyone would believe that God would send a separate person within an internally divided divine counsel, rather than choosing to come Himself to love and redeem His creation directly.)

By becoming flesh, God engaged with the world He created in a personal and intimate way, showing that His relationship with humanity is not distant or abstract. In Jesus, God experienced the breadth of human life—its joys, sorrows, and struggles—demonstrating that divine compassion extends into the realm of human experience. This embodiment allowed God to bridge the gap between divine perfection and human imperfection, providing a tangible, relatable expression of His eternal love and wisdom. Through the life of Jesus, God revealed the true nature of His grace, mercy, and righteousness in ways that human beings could understand and relate to.

In this act of veiling His glory, God sought not only to redeem but to fundamentally affirm the value and dignity of human life. He showed that the divine can embrace the mundane and the fragile, elevating human experience to a place of profound significance. This revelation in the flesh was a divine affirmation that God's ultimate desire is to dwell with His creation, to share in its journey, and to bring a fullness of understanding and connection that transcends mere doctrinal definitions. Thus, the Incarnation is a testament to the boundless and relational nature of God's love, extending beyond the purpose of redemption to encompass a complete and intimate engagement with the human condition.

 

[Consecrated Life]

That's the excuse always given. But it's nonsense.
Can God LIE if He had the desire to?
Could he create something to huge to Him to lift?

Just church psyobabble.

Can you think outside the box?

The real reason you came here was to get inside the box.
Not to probe non-consequential questions the answers to which have no connection to what really troubles you.
Outside the box you have searched your entire life for a lasting sense of peace and love and have nothing but a soul you know remains empty and in need to show for it .
The one thing you have learned in your lifelong fruitless search for unfailing Love & rest for your soul is that it can only come from a dimension beyond anyone's knowledge .
That is what brought you here.
The question that you really want to know the answer to is:
Is Jesus really a deep of Love so vast that all sense of needed sanctification is drowned forever in ?
The answer is yes:

" As the Father hath Loved me, so have I Loved you"
(John 15:9)

The insistent emphasis of God's Word, ever and always, is not upon the life of Christ , the birth of Christ, the sonship of Christ, the ethics of Christ, the example of Christ , but upon the DEATH of Christ and the peace He has made for you and me by the Blood of His cross.
1Corintians 2:2
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

 

[My Rock]

The real reason you came here was to get inside the box.
Not to probe non-consequential questions the answers to which have no connection to what really troubles you.
Outside the box you have searched your entire life for a lasting sense of peace and love and have nothing but a soul you know remains empty and in need to show for it .
The one thing you have learned in your lifelong fruitless search for unfailing Love & rest for your soul is that it can only come from a dimension beyond anyone's knowledge .
That is what brought you here.
The question that you really want to know the answer to is:
Is Jesus really a deep of Love so vast that all sense of needed sanctification is drowned forever in ?
The answer is yes:

" As the Father hath Loved me, so have I Loved you"
(John 15:9)

The insistent emphasis of God's Word, ever and always, is not upon the life of Christ , the birth of Christ, the sonship of Christ, the ethics of Christ, the example of Christ , but upon the DEATH of Christ and the peace He has made for you and me by the Blood of His cross.
1Corintians 2:2
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

It's important to approach each other with love and respect, especially when discussing matters as profound as our understanding of Jesus and the Word of God. The goal of any conversation about faith should be to build one another up, not to tear each other down. In Ephesians 4:15, we are reminded to "speak the truth in love," meaning that our words should be both truthful and gracious, aiming to encourage rather than wound.

If someone’s interpretation seems different from what we believe, our response should be rooted in humility and a sincere desire to share the truth as we understand it. (2 Timothy 2:24-25, saying, “And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.”) Jesus Himself modeled gentleness and patience in His interactions, even when correcting others. We should strive to emulate this approach, ensuring that our conversations reflect the love of Christ, who never sought to diminish others but rather to guide them into deeper truth with compassion and care.

If there is a concern about the way something is interpreted or understood, let’s address it together by examining the Scriptures with an open heart, seeking God’s wisdom. (Acts 17:11, “received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.”) James 1:5 encourages us to ask God for wisdom, promising that He gives generously to all without finding fault. This approach fosters a spirit of unity and understanding, allowing us to grow together in faith rather than allowing disagreements to drive us apart.

 

[Runningman]

Was God His own son? Did Two of Themselves send a Third One?
Then rest of God's angels are also referred to as "sons'.
Because they had a Beginning!

Yes it is true that there are many in Scripture who are called Sons of God and yet none of them are God. So what we can gather from context about the meaning of "Son of God" is that it's possible to be "Son of God" without oneself actually being God.

Yes it is also true that since angels are Sons of God and humans can be Sons of God and neither are God, then it follows consistently that when Jesus is called the Son of God that he is also not God.

The idea in Scripture concerning sonship is in regards to who one acts like. If one acts like God then it's apparent who their spiritual Father is and who they learned all of their good things from. If someone's father is the devil (John 8:44) then what we may expect are those behaviors consistent with behaviors of the devil and John described this concept below.

1 John 3​

7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.​

So the reason Jesus is the definitive Son of God is not because he is God, but because his behavior is consistent with holiness and righteousness. Where did he learn that from? He must of learned it from God because how else could one not be a sinner unless God were there Father? According to 1 John 3:7-10, it is our abstinence from sin that shows we are indeed the Sons of God.

 

[My Rock]

According to 1 John 3:7-10, it is our abstinence from sin that shows we are indeed the Sons of God.

John is not suggesting that a believer will never sin, but rather that a true child of God will not live in habitual, unrepentant sin. The transformative power of the Holy Spirit within a believer empowers them to overcome sin and live a life that reflects the righteousness of Christ. Therefore, it is the abstinence from sin, coupled with a life of righteousness, that serves as evidence of our status as children of God.

This teaching aligns with the broader biblical message that salvation is not merely a one-time event, but a continuous process of sanctification, where the believer is progressively conformed to the image of Christ. As such, our actions—particularly our abstinence from sin—are a vital sign of our spiritual identity and relationship with God.

 

[Runningman]

John is not suggesting that a believer will never sin, but rather that a true child of God will not live in habitual, unrepentant sin. The transformative power of the Holy Spirit within a believer empowers them to overcome sin and live a life that reflects the righteousness of Christ. Therefore, it is the abstinence from sin, coupled with a life of righteousness, that serves as evidence of our status as children of God.

You can lose your salvation according to Scripture, but that is not really the topic of this thread. However, since that's an important topic, then it should be noted that your final judgement will be based on the decisions you decided to make while still alive.

Romans 2​

1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God.​

With that being said, one's hypothetical decision to be a practitioner of sin can in a loss of eternal life, while those who spent their time doing well and seeking eternal life will be rewarded as such. To the contrary, those who don't will not inherit eternal life.

Back to the topic.

the believer is progressively conformed to the image of Christ. As such, our actions—particularly our abstinence from sin—are a vital sign of our spiritual identity and relationship with God.

Another point regarding Jesus not being God is that we will be conformed to his image. Jesus in the image of God, we in the image of Jesus, then we are in the image of God. Since we are not God regardless of being in His image, then neither is Jesus.

 

[My Rock]

Another point regarding Jesus not being God is that we will be conformed to his image. Jesus in the image of God, we in the image of Jesus, then we are in the image of God. Since we are not God regardless of being in His image, then neither is Jesus.

This line of reasoning misunderstands the nature of both Jesus’ divinity and the concept of being made in the image of God. When the Bible speaks of humanity being made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27) or being conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:29), it is referring to a reflection of God’s character, moral qualities, and spiritual likeness, not a replication of His divine essence.

Jesus being in the "image of God" (Colossians 1:15) does not merely signify a reflection of God’s attributes; it speaks to His true nature as the manifestation of God in the flesh. Colossians 2:9 affirms this by declaring that "in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." Jesus is not just in the image of God in the same way humans are; He is the exact representation of God’s being (Hebrews 1:3), possessing the fullness of deity.

When believers are conformed to the image of Jesus, it means that we are being transformed to reflect His character, holiness, and love. This transformation makes us more like Christ in our behavior and spiritual life, but it does not mean that we become divine. Jesus is unique because He is both fully God and fully man, the only one who can bridge the gap between God and humanity.

 

[Runningman]

This line of reasoning misunderstands the nature of both Jesus’ divinity and the concept of being made in the image of God. When the Bible speaks of humanity being made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27) or being conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:29), it is referring to a reflection of God’s character, moral qualities, and spiritual likeness, not a replication of His divine essence.

Jesus being in the "image of God" (Colossians 1:15) does not merely signify a reflection of God’s attributes; it speaks to His true nature as the manifestation of God in the flesh. Colossians 2:9 affirms this by declaring that "in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." Jesus is not just in the image of God in the same way humans are; He is the exact representation of God’s being (Hebrews 1:3), possessing the fullness of deity.

When believers are conformed to the image of Jesus, it means that we are being transformed to reflect His character, holiness, and love. This transformation makes us more like Christ in our behavior and spiritual life, but it does not mean that we become divine. Jesus is unique because He is both fully God and fully man, the only one who can bridge the gap between God and humanity.

The line of reasoning I offered you was sound so we will go through all of the points you just provided and demonstrate how they aren't unique to Jesus.

1. Jesus in the image of God (Colossians 1:15) and Christians in the image of Jesus (Romans 8:29)​

2. In Jesus dwells the Godhead bodily (Colossians 2:9) and in Christians dwells the fullness of God (Ephesians 3:19)​

3. Jesus the exact representation of the person/being/nature of God (Hebrews 1:3) and Christians to be exactly like God as well (Matthew 5:48, Ephesians 4:24, 1 John 3:2)​

Since we are not God in the flesh despite all of the things we have in common with Jesus then Jesus isn't God either.

 

[My Rock]

1. Jesus in the image of God (Colossians 1:15) and Christians in the image of Jesus (Romans 8:29)

When Colossians 1:15 describes Jesus as "the image of the invisible God," it emphasizes His unique role as the visible manifestation of God. Jesus, as God incarnate, perfectly reveals the Father, not merely as a reflection but as the very embodiment of God's nature. Christians being conformed to the image of Jesus (Romans 8:29) refers to the process of sanctification, where believers are molded to reflect the character, love, and holiness of Christ. This transformation makes us more like Jesus in our moral and spiritual conduct, but it does not equate us with His divine essence. Jesus' image-bearing is intrinsic and eternal, whereas ours is derivative and dependent on His transformative work within us.

2. In Jesus dwells the Godhead bodily (Colossians 2:9) and in Christians dwells the fullness of God (Ephesians 3:19)

Colossians 2:9 declares that "in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily," signifying that Jesus possesses the complete nature of God in a physical form. This is a unique attribute of Christ, affirming His deity and His role as the visible expression of God. Ephesians 3:19, which speaks of believers being "filled with all the fullness of God," is about the spiritual experience of God's presence and power in the life of a Christian. It reflects our growing capacity to experience and manifest God's love, but it does not imply that we possess the divine nature in the same way Jesus does. The fullness in believers is a result of our union with Christ, whereas in Jesus, it is inherent.

3. Jesus the exact representation of the person/being/nature of God (Hebrews 1:3) and Christians to be exactly like God as well (Matthew 5:48, Ephesians 4:24, 1 John 3:2)

Hebrews 1:3 describes Jesus as "the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being," underscoring His unique identity as the perfect expression of God's essence. Jesus is not merely like God; He is God, sharing the same substance and nature. When Scripture calls believers to be "perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" (Matthew 5:48), or to put on "the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness" (Ephesians 4:24), it is speaking of moral and spiritual conformity, not ontological equality. Our call to be like God refers to living out His attributes, such as love, holiness, and righteousness, but it does not suggest that we become God in essence. Jesus' exact representation is a reflection of His divinity, whereas our likeness to God is an expression of our renewed character through the Holy Spirit.

 

[My Rock]

Since we are not God in the flesh despite all of the things we have in common with Jesus then Jesus isn't God either.

The assertion that "since we are not God in the flesh despite all of the things we have in common with Jesus, then Jesus isn't God either," fundamentally misunderstands the nature of Jesus' divinity and the distinction between Christ and believers. While it is true that believers are called to reflect the character and holiness of Christ, this does not diminish or negate Jesus' unique identity as God incarnate.

Jesus being God in the flesh (John 1:14) is a unique and singular reality in the biblical narrative. He is the Word who was with God and who was God (John 1:1), taking on human nature without losing His divine essence. This incarnation is not something that can be paralleled in the lives of believers, who are created beings, redeemed by Christ, and called to follow Him. The fact that believers are to be conformed to Christ's image (Romans 8:29) means that we are to reflect His character and live according to His teachings, but this transformation is entirely dependent on His divine work within us.

Jesus, on the other hand, is intrinsically God. His divine nature is not a result of being conformed to anything; it is His very essence. The mystery of the incarnation is that God became flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, something entirely unique to Him. Therefore, while believers share in the life of Christ through the Holy Spirit, this shared life does not make us divine or reduce Christ’s divinity. Instead, it emphasizes the incredible grace by which God invites us into fellowship with Him, through the one and only mediator, Jesus Christ, who is both fully God and fully man (1 Timothy 2:5).

 

[Runningman]

When Colossians 1:15 describes Jesus as "the image of the invisible God," it emphasizes His unique role as the visible manifestation of God. Jesus, as God incarnate, perfectly reveals the Father, not merely as a reflection but as the very embodiment of God's nature. Christians being conformed to the image of Jesus (Romans 8:29) refers to the process of sanctification, where believers are molded to reflect the character, love, and holiness of Christ. This transformation makes us more like Jesus in our moral and spiritual conduct, but it does not equate us with His divine essence. Jesus' image-bearing is intrinsic and eternal, whereas ours is derivative and dependent on His transformative work within us.

Colossians 2:9 declares that "in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily," signifying that Jesus possesses the complete nature of God in a physical form. This is a unique attribute of Christ, affirming His deity and His role as the visible expression of God. Ephesians 3:19, which speaks of believers being "filled with all the fullness of God," is about the spiritual experience of God's presence and power in the life of a Christian. It reflects our growing capacity to experience and manifest God's love, but it does not imply that we possess the divine nature in the same way Jesus does. The fullness in believers is a result of our union with Christ, whereas in Jesus, it is inherent.

Hebrews 1:3 describes Jesus as "the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being," underscoring His unique identity as the perfect expression of God's essence. Jesus is not merely like God; He is God, sharing the same substance and nature. When Scripture calls believers to be "perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" (Matthew 5:48), or to put on "the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness" (Ephesians 4:24), it is speaking of moral and spiritual conformity, not ontological equality. Our call to be like God refers to living out His attributes, such as love, holiness, and righteousness, but it does not suggest that we become God in essence. Jesus' exact representation is a reflection of His divinity, whereas our likeness to God is an expression of our renewed character through the Holy Spirit.

Jesus isn't God though so I believe you got the wrong idea. If you will read John 17:3, it's pretty quick to understand that Jesus isn't the true God. This is also confirmed in 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, and 1 John 5:20 explicitly. There are also miscellaneous denials by Jesus of him being God, Mark 10:18 being the most clearest and Jesus never said he was God and apparently no one believed he's God in scripture.

So we should understand more about who Jesus is and see how verses that seem to deify him are actually concepts that apply to regular Christians as was already proven above in my previous reply. Who Jesus is is the example of what an anointed and empowered child of God can be. Since we can be in his image, have the fullness of God in us, and we can be like God as well then the things that some say make Jesus God, by deduction, actually don't make Jesus God because Jesus is a human.

 

[Runningman]

The assertion that "since we are not God in the flesh despite all of the things we have in common with Jesus, then Jesus isn't God either," fundamentally misunderstands the nature of Jesus' divinity and the distinction between Christ and believers. While it is true that believers are called to reflect the character and holiness of Christ, this does not diminish or negate Jesus' unique identity as God incarnate.

The word in incarnate doesn't exist in Scripture nor is the concept described. Incarnating isn't a Biblical concept. So your premise doesn't follow to a right conclusion.

Jesus being God in the flesh (John 1:14) is a unique and singular reality in the biblical narrative. He is the Word who was with God and who was God (John 1:1), taking on human nature without losing His divine essence. This incarnation is not something that can be paralleled in the lives of believers, who are created beings, redeemed by Christ, and called to follow Him. The fact that believers are to be conformed to Christ's image (Romans 8:29) means that we are to reflect His character and live according to His teachings, but this transformation is entirely dependent on His divine work within us.

Nothing there states that Jesus is God in the flesh. I believe your thesis is based on assumption and belief rather than Scripture.

Jesus, on the other hand, is intrinsically God. His divine nature is not a result of being conformed to anything; it is His very essence. The mystery of the incarnation is that God became flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, something entirely unique to Him. Therefore, while believers share in the life of Christ through the Holy Spirit, this shared life does not make us divine or reduce Christ’s divinity. Instead, it emphasizes the incredible grace by which God invites us into fellowship with Him, through the one and only mediator, Jesus Christ, who is both fully God and fully man (1 Timothy 2:5).

Nothing in the Bible says Jesus is intrinsically God or both God and man. All of your points and conclusions lack key Biblical support.