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IS JESUS CHRIST GOD?

Pipiripi said:
This is the church wrong view. The think that the Holy Spirit is another being, they have failed to realize that the Holy Spirit is Jesus Himself. Thatd why when Jesus was on earth the Holy Spirit was in the Father. And when Jesus ascended to heaven He have poured out His Holy Spirit to the people and apostles who was worshipping God by the pentecost. The Holy Spirit is their power.
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You have two points of discussion here. The relationship between the Father and Son. And about the Son.
In regard to the firstborn of all creation.
The fullness was pleased to dwell IN Him. -From the will of another at a point in history.
Jesus is ALL that the Father is. The image of the invisible God.

So my answer to your question, "Is Jesus God?"
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.

The Spirit of the Father is living IN Jesus.
They are on in that manner.

Jesus taught that.

I don't believe this was/is the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of the Father.
"Father into your hands I commit My Spirit"

And "Jesus" calls the Father the only true God. If He always was and always was God how does that believe in "one" God?

Jesus as a Son has His own Spirit and the Spirit of the Father lives in Him. They are one in that manner.

Let us make man in our image and in our likeness.
The Son, who was and is, is a being a person.

A body was prepared for Him and the Son who was, His Spirit, was in the tent of that body.
And the Spirit of the Father was living in Him doing His work.

My spirit is not in me it is me.

The Spirit of God is not in the Father it is the Fathers own Spirit.
Jesus as the Son has His own Spirit and the Spirit of the Father is living in Him.

John 17 Oneness defined
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
 
Pipiripi said:
In post 67 you declared that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ and the Father. And that is true. It is something that belongs to both. So it cannot be another person being and called God. It is part of their own lifestyle. It is their life. Their power that covered everywhere.
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When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Matthew 3:16-17



These three are one.


JLB
 
Randy said:
You have two points of discussion here. The relationship between the Father and Son. And about the Son.
In regard to the firstborn of all creation.
The fullness was pleased to dwell IN Him. -From the will of another at a point in history.
Jesus is ALL that the Father is. The image of the invisible God.

So my answer to your question, "Is Jesus God?"
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.

The Spirit of the Father is living IN Jesus.
They are on in that manner.

Jesus taught that.

I don't believe this was/is the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of the Father.
"Father into your hands I commit My Spirit"

And "Jesus" calls the Father the only true God. If He always was and always was God how does that believe in "one" God?

Jesus as a Son has His own Spirit and the Spirit of the Father lives in Him. They are one in that manner.

Let us make man in our image and in our likeness.
The Son, who was and is, is a being a person.

A body was prepared for Him and the Son who was, His Spirit, was in the tent of that body.
And the Spirit of the Father was living in Him doing His work.

My spirit is not in me it is me.

The Spirit of God is not in the Father it is the Fathers own Spirit.
Jesus as the Son has His own Spirit and the Spirit of the Father is living in Him.

John 17 Oneness defined
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
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Are you telling me that Jesus have a Spirit in Him and also the Father have His own Spirit in Him? And we humans also have a Spirit in me and my spirit that is trapped in my body. My friend sorry you don't and you will never know what the Holy Spirit is. Your teaching is far from the Bible. Nobody have another bring spirit in their body. We humans can have two kind of spirit that can enter our bodies. 1. Holy Spirit. 2. Demons.
 
JLB said:
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Matthew 3:16-17



These three are one.


JLB
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Okay, what about John 17:21-23? Do you see here what Jesus is saying? Read the whole praying of Jesus. When the bible is taking in three in on or two in one. John 17.
I don't know how much time I must let you see who is the Holy Spirit. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST JESUS AND GOD THE FATHER. THEY SHARE THE SAME SPIRIT. HOLY SPIRIT IS THEIRS LIFE STYLE. HOLY SPIRIT IS THEIR POWER, NOT ANOTHER BEING. IT IS JESUS HIMSELF IN US. NOT ANOTHER BEING. I hope that you will see the BIBLICAL truth.
 
Pipiripi said:
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST JESUS AND GOD THE FATHER. THEY SHARE THE SAME SPIRIT. HOLY SPIRIT IS THEIRS LIFE STYLE. HOLY SPIRIT IS THEIR POWER, NOT ANOTHER BEING.
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You believe what you want to believe.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God.

The Spirit of God, The Spirit of Christ, and the Holy Spirit are one.


Three distinct, indivisible persons, but one God.


Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Then, having fasted and prayed, and laid hands on them, they sent them away. Acts 13:1-3


  • The Holy Spirit said.


When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Matthew 3:16-17


  • God the Father said.



So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. Acts 26:15


  • Jesus said.



JLB
 
JLB said:
You believe what you want to believe.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God.

The Spirit of God, The Spirit of Christ, and the Holy Spirit are one.


Three distinct, indivisible persons, but one God.


Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Then, having fasted and prayed, and laid hands on them, they sent them away. Acts 13:1-3


  • The Holy Spirit said.


When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Matthew 3:16-17


  • God the Father said.



So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. Acts 26:15


  • Jesus said.



JLB
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I have ask you a question but you didn't answered me. Just keep believe in your 3 gods in one, that is nowhere in the Bible written.
My questions again. About your three in one god. Where in the Bible I can read the Holy Spirit has spoken with Jesus, or God, or both? Or where can I read that God or Jesus has spoken to the Holy Spirit and he has answered them? Give me the chapter and the verse. I will see it with my eyes. Where in the Bible I can read "God Holy Spirit"? If we declared that we are children of the Bible, then let the Bible speak. I am here: Galatians 1:1-10. Exactly what the same Paul teach. I am not wondering why many Christians are here: 2Thessalonians 2:10:12
 
Pipiripi said:
Where in the Bible I can read "God Holy Spirit"? If we declared that we are children of the Bible, then let the Bible speak.
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Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16


Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 1 Corinthians 6:19



JLB
 
Pipiripi said:
Are you telling me that Jesus have a Spirit in Him and also the Father have His own Spirit in Him? And we humans also have a Spirit in me and my spirit that is trapped in my body. My friend sorry you don't and you will never know what the Holy Spirit is. Your teaching is far from the Bible. Nobody have another bring spirit in their body. We humans can have two kind of spirit that can enter our bodies. 1. Holy Spirit. 2. Demons.
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What???
I said Jesus has His own spirit. "Father into your hands I commit MY SPIRIT"
I said the Father was living in Jesus. Jesus said He gave us the glory the Father gave Him. The Father in Him and He in us. That we may be one as they are one.

More so the fullness of the deity dwells in Christ. It was gifted from the will of another at a point in history.

"The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him"

Christ is the wisdom and power of the Father. The image of the invisible God. All that the Father is. And so God in that context.

God forms the Spirit in mankind. So yes we humans have a spirit.
For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Jesus's life didn't begin in the womb of Mary. The body did. God didn't form Jesus's Spirit in that body. The Son who was, His Spirit, was placed in that body. Jesus was a being and person before all things except the Father. And as Jesus defined oneness the Father in Him and He in us.

The Spirit of God is Divine as its Gods own Spirit.
If Jesus were the HS He would not have this weakness, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"

I define a person as someone who has their own mind, will and spirit.
That is shown in Jesus and the Father and us.

If the Father can keep the day and hour of the end from Jesus its because He has His own mind, will and Spirit. The Spirit would not reveal that date and hour because the spirit of a person follows the will of the mind of a person. The Spirit of God knows that date because the Spirit of a God knows the thoughts of God or the mind of God. Jesus is not the HS. The HS is not Gods Son.
 
JLB said:
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16


Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 1 Corinthians 6:19



JLB
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That is not my question, what you have write everybody knows it in the Bible. Scroll up again and answered my questions!!
 
Pipiripi said:
I have ask you a question but you didn't answered me. Just keep believe in your 3 gods in one, that is nowhere in the Bible written.
My questions again. About your three in one god. Where in the Bible I can read the Holy Spirit has spoken with Jesus, or God, or both? Or where can I read that God or Jesus has spoken to the Holy Spirit and he has answered them? Give me the chapter and the verse. I will see it with my eyes. Where in the Bible I can read "God Holy Spirit"? If we declared that we are children of the Bible, then let the Bible speak. I am here: Galatians 1:1-10. Exactly what the same Paul teach. I am not wondering why many Christians are here: 2Thessalonians 2:10:12
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“If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever—John 14:16

”Another” Helper who is not the Father or the Son.

I count three here, not two.


But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 14:26

Again, three.

  • He will teach you all things

“He” here is not the Father or the Son.


JLB
 
Randy said:
What???
I said Jesus has His own spirit. "Father into your hands I commit MY SPIRIT"
I said the Father was living in Jesus. Jesus said He gave us the glory the Father gave Him. The Father in Him and He in us. That we may be one as they are one.

More so the fullness of the deity dwells in Christ. It was gifted from the will of another at a point in history.

"The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him"

Christ is the wisdom and power of the Father. The image of the invisible God. All that the Father is. And so God in that context.

God forms the Spirit in mankind. So yes we humans have a spirit.
For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Jesus's life didn't begin in the womb of Mary. The body did. God didn't form Jesus's Spirit in that body. The Son who was, His Spirit, was placed in that body. Jesus was a being and person before all things except the Father. And as Jesus defined oneness the Father in Him and He in us.

The Spirit of God is Divine as its Gods own Spirit.
If Jesus were the HS He would not have this weakness, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"

I define a person as someone who has their own mind, will and spirit.
That is shown in Jesus and the Father and us.

If the Father can keep the day and hour of the end from Jesus its because He has His own mind, will and Spirit. The Spirit would not reveal that date and hour because the spirit of a person follows the will of the mind of a person. The Spirit of God knows that date because the Spirit of a God knows the thoughts of God or the mind of God. Jesus is not the HS. The HS is not Gods Son.
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The spirit that Jesus has commanded in His Father's hand is not the Holy Spirit my friend. It is the breath of life.
 
JLB said:
“If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever—John 14:16

”Another” Helper who is not the Father or the Son.

I count three here, not two.


But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 14:26

Again, three.

  • He will teach you all things

“He” here is not the Father or the Son.


JLB
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Again you don't have answered my questions, everybody is waiting to see if you can answered my questions. Maybe you have forget my questions. I ask you again.
As long the Holy Spirit is a eternal God alongside Jesus and God. Where in the Bible I can read that the so God Holy Spirit has spoken to Jesus and God or both. We all are waiting one verse what the God Holy Spirit has says to Jesus or God or both. And don't twist the scriptures by sending verses that has nothing to do with my questions. People here are seeking the truth and only the Bible TRUTH.
 
JLB said:
“If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever—John 14:16

”Another” Helper who is not the Father or the Son.

I count three here, not two.


But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 14:26

Again, three.

  • He will teach you all things

“He” here is not the Father or the Son.


JLB
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Why Jesus says "another"? Why didn't He says "God the Holy Spirit". Why Jesus must go first to heaven and then after some time the Holy Spirit can come down, aswell he is God? Jesus says I'm with you till the end of time. Is Jesus a liar, to sent another not himself in me? This is the problem of the Trinity doctrine. Exactly what the devil want.
 
Pipiripi said:
Again you don't have answered my questions, everybody is waiting to see if you can answered my questions. Maybe you have forget my questions. I ask you again.
As long the Holy Spirit is a eternal God alongside Jesus and God. Where in the Bible I can read that the so God Holy Spirit has spoken to Jesus and God or both. We all are waiting one verse what the God Holy Spirit has says to Jesus or God or both. And don't twist the scriptures by sending verses that has nothing to do with my questions. People here are seeking the truth and only the Bible TRUTH.
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You deny that The Holy Spirit is God, so I show scriptures that teach the Holy Spirit is God.


You say there are only two not three, I show from the scriptures there are three.


Now you that you have been proven wrong on these two questions you have you come up with another question.


Where in the Bible I can read that the so God Holy Spirit has spoken to Jesus and God or both.
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Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. Matthew 4:1



JLB
 
Pipiripi said:
We humans can have two kind of spirit that can enter our bodies. 1. Holy Spirit. 2. Demons.
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Wrong again.


The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Romans 8:16


Demon spirit
Holy Spirit
Our spirit
 
Pipiripi said:
Is Jesus a liar, to sent another not himself in me? This is the problem of the Trinity doctrine. Exactly what the devil want.
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For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7


The Father
The Word
The Holy Spirit


Which one of these three is not God?



JLB
 
JLB said:
You deny that The Holy Spirit is God, so I show scriptures that teach the Holy Spirit is God.


You say there are only two not three, I show from the scriptures there are three.


Now you that you have been proven wrong on these two questions you have you come up with another question.





Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. Matthew 4:1



JLB
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My friend everybody is seeing that you are not answering my questions. Satan was talking with Jesus. I am looking for TALKING OR SPEAKING. Okay when the Holy Spirit was leading Jesus in the wilderness what did the Holy Spirit said to Jesus?
By Jesus baptism was a dove. In the wilderness who form does he has? It is a god that can have many forms or not?
I will read the voice of your god Holy Spirit saying something to Jesus or God. People here are waiting where they can read the Holy Spirit has spoken with Jesus or God or both. Which chapter and verses?
 
JLB said:
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7


The Father
The Word
The Holy Spirit


Which one of these three is not God?



JLB
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The Holy Spirit is not God. Or is he a God that cannot speak with Jesus or God the Father? Only hearing them?
 
Pipiripi said:
The spirit that Jesus has commanded in His Father's hand is not the Holy Spirit my friend. It is the breath of life
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So if I understand your message at some point in the past Jesus commanded the Spirit of the breath of life into His Fathers hand. The Father kept that Spirit for Him. Jesus received that Spirit back from the Father and baptizes with that Spirit. But that Spirit is not the Holy Spirit.

Is that correct?
 
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