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Is Jesus God?

WIP said:
John 14: NKJV
7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”

8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Whenever I read these verses I picture Jesus telling Philip, "Come on Philip, I'm pitchin' but you ain't catchin'!"
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:lol Yes.
 
jabhat said:
Is Jesus God?
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jabhat said:
I asked the BIBLE verses to show that the Creator is Jesus. I know the Bible very well. But I ask it to show that to those who do not know our God...
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You would have done better to explain that in your first post. A while back a non-Christian friend was asking me why he should believe that the accepted books of the biblical cannon are the ones that were God's word, while others weren't. I posed the question here with an explanation that I wasn't questioning the inspiration of scripture or that validity of the cannon, but was looking for other's answers to this question to add to my own answers. The results were very positive.
 
Kathi said:
Do you believe that you need a Savior?
Do you believe that you will go to heaven?
Do you believe a murderer will be allowed to go free if he says he is sorry in a Court of Law?
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You have not answered my questions jabhat.
 
Psalm 110:1 - "The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

Mark 14:61-62 - "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Zechariah 9:9 - "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass."

Matthew 21:2-7 "Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me. And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them. All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them, And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon."

Micah 5:2 - "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Matthew 2:1 - "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,"

John 8:58 - "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

Isaiah 44:6 - "Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

Revelation 22:13 - "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

John 1:1-3 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

John 1:14 - "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

John 5:18 - "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."

Matthew 28:17-19: "And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
 
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jasonc said:
I didn't think he was being dishonest. is jesus god is something we need to remember and ask ourselves.

references,
john 1:1,12

statements off the top of my head.
if I lay down my life I will pick up my life again.. Thomas said to Jesus, My Lord and MY GOD.
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Right, my brother.
Look at that too (NKJV). The SON of God is OUR CREATOR:

In the beginning was the Word (JESUS/the SON of GOD), and the Word was with God, and the Word (JESUS/the SON of GOD) was God. 2 He (JESUS/the SON of GOD) was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him (JESUS/the SON of GOD), and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him (JESUS/the SON of GOD) was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
14 And the Word (JESUS/the SON of GOD) became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1


1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son (JESUS/the SON of GOD), whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom (JESUS/the SON of GOD) also He made the WORLDS; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews 1

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the FORM of God, did not consider it robbery to be EQUAL with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man JESUS/the SON of GOD) also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
1 Corinthians 15

15 He (JESUS/the SON of GOD) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him (JESUS/the SON of GOD) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him (JESUS/the SON of GOD) and for Him (JESUS/the SON of GOD). 17 And He (JESUS/the SON of GOD) is before all things, and in Him (JESUS/the SON of GOD) all things consist. 18 And He (JESUS/the SON of GOD) is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Colossians 1


For to which of the angels did God ever say:

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?

Hebrews 1

God said to His Son:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”

God said to His Son:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

God the Father called His Son as GOD too. They are EQUAL.

God said to His Son:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”

But to which of the angels has He ever said:

“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?

Yes God said to His Son:
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”
The Lord shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion.
Rule in the midst of Your enemies!" Psalm 110
 
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So what is the purpose of this thread, jabhat? I might be missing something because I'm struggling to understand what point you are trying to make or defend.
 
Edited ... A respectful direct response to a staff member would be a better choice... reba
 
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My dad and my husband need to read this thread. They have trouble understanding that when Christ said "I and my father are one." John 10:30...he meant it LITERALLY. Don't get me wrong, both have great faith in God and in Jesus, but as some people often do, they struggle with the concept of the trinity.
I tried to describe it in the only way I know how...as a StarWars reference (Boba and Jengo Fett...) but that didn't go over too well.
 
You can DM me and I will share what I know...

Just pay attention to what God said: the SON of GOD sits at the RIGHT hand of His Father in His Kingdom.
 
ReginaForbes said:
They have trouble understanding that when Christ said "I and my father are one." John 10:30...he meant it LITERALLY.
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You have to be a bit careful with a statement like this. It actually supports modalism more than trinitarianism, as it suggests that they are one and the same person. Jesus meant what he said but we must understand what he meant, particularly by the use of "one".
 
Kathi said:
Can I please have the answers to my questions?
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Do you believe that you need a Savior?- I have my Savior Jesus.
Do you believe that you will go to heaven?- God gave me salvation.
Do you believe a murderer will be allowed to go free if he says he is sorry in a Court of Law?- God forgives only those killers who repent, ABANDON sins to live a righteous life walking with the God Jesus. Such a holy man bye the way converted Yasser Arafat before his death...He was his sniper/a murderer...today he is a HOLY son of God.
 
jabhat said:
Do you believe that you need a Savior?- I have my Savior Jesus.
Do you believe that you will go to heaven?- God gave me salvation.
Do you believe a murderer will be allowed to go free if he says he is sorry in a Court of Law?- God forgives only those killers who repent, ABANDON sins to live a righteous life walking with the God Jesus. Such a holy man bye the way converted Yasser Arafat before his death...He was his sniper/a murderer...today he is a HOLY son of God.
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Do you believe that you will go to heaven? Yes or no.
 
Free said:
You have to be a bit careful with a statement like this. It actually supports modalism more than trinitarianism, as it suggests that they are one and the same person. Jesus meant what he said but we must understand what he meant, particularly by the use of "one".
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Just thought to share with you what my friend said to Muslims about our God :

By Sazie Johnson

Deuteronomy 6:4 reads, “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.”

What does the word “one” mean? The word “one” as used in the Holy Scriptures is not only restricted to mathematical equivalent as in a “onetime occurrence only”, but also a word regarding the relationship and internal composition showing a completed condition as in separation and aloneness from other entities outside itself.

"Let US make man in OUR image".

(Gen 1:26)


WHAT IS ONE?

Deuteronomy 6:4 reads, “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.”

The word “one” has been the center of controversy. What exactly does “one” mean? The word “one” has only two definitions. And only one of the two definitions is applicable to God. One is defined as a “mathematical equivalent as in one occurrence” in which something happens only one time. Hence God is not a “one time occurrence,” this definition of “one’ is not applicable to God. The word “one” is also defined as a “single unit”, an “individual”, or an “entire thing, item, or object”. It is this definition of “one” that is applicable to God, for God is a “one unto Himself”.

Please notice that no definition of the word “one” cancels out or eliminates the possibility of elements of division within. In other words, because something is a “one unto itself” does not mean it does not have the possibility of “plurality within” or “multiplicity within”. An example will be water which is a “one unto itself”, but within are elements of division such as hydrogen and oxygen (H2O). Pure Light is a “one unto itself”. It is made of green, red, and yellow lights. The Atom which is the smallest particle of matter has within three sub-atomic particles: Protons, electrons, and neutrons. Time is also a “one unto itself”. Yet it expresses itself in past, present, and future. Therefore; it is partly deceptive to say, “One means one,” because everything that is a “one” or a “one unto itself” has within a sub-division.

The Holy Trinity is a “whole unto itself” or a “one unto itself”. It states that there is only one God. This one God is a Spirit — a One Spirit Entity. Within (or inside) this One Spirit Entity are three separate and distinct Natures: The Nature of a Father, the Nature of a Word, and the Nature of a Spirit. It is the Nature of a Word that clothed Himself in human flesh and dwelled among man — so that the Person of Jesus had two natures: The Nature of God and the Nature of Man.

At times the Holy Trinity is misunderstood for Tri-theism — a belief that there are three distinct, powerful gods, who form a triad (harmony). Generally three gods are envisaged (foreseen) as having separate powers and separate supreme beings or spheres of influence, but working together. There is no group that claims to believe in or teach tri-theism. The term and concepts are solely used as an accusation against a group holding an alternate or distorted view of the Christian doctrine of Trinity.

We must understand this about Tri-theism. It is polytheism, because it assumes three separate gods working together as one in order to form a harmony. Trinity is monotheism, because it assumes a “One God” who forms a harmony in three separate Persons whose spheres of influence are omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotent.

God in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is a “one unto Himself”, or a “whole unto Himself”, or a “unit unto Himself”. While Judaism and Christianity accept an element of division within God, Islam rejects any such notion of division within God. And thus Islam struggles to explain the “Oneness of Allah”, because everything we know that is a “one” has “plurality within” or “multiplicity within”.

One Muslim writes, “I can accept the statement ‘There is absolutely nothing that is a one unto itself and within itself,’ however this applies only to created things, not to our Almighty Creator.” He goes on to say, “I have studied Islam at the university level and that's why I keep reminding you that your statements are a misrepresentation of Islamic creed.” He also recalled the Arabic word “al-Ahad” (‘one’) that is used in Quran 112:1 which seems to mean “one with a no possibility for division.” He referenced an Islamic website which he recommended as not only scholarly, but also credible for the proper and accurate definition of “al-Ahad”. I visited the website, and to my amazement it defines “al-Ahad” used in Quran 112:1 as follows:

“The One who has ever been and ever remains alone. The incomparable, unequalled, indivisible One. The One who is the essence of Unity. The Sole One. The One and Only One. The One who has no second [that shares] in the lordship, nor in the essence, nor in the attributes. The One who was not begotten and has never begotten. The One who depends upon no other, and to Whom there is no likeness. The One in whom all names, attributes and relationships are united.”

Did you get the last sentence? Let us read it again: “The One in whom all names, attributes and relationships are united.” In other words, Allah, Muhammad’s god, is “the One in whom all names, attributes and relationships are united.” This definition for the word “al-Ahad” is troublesome for Islam, because it assumes “plurality within” or “multiplicity within” Allah. Interestingly, this is the very thing the Muslim said he cannot accept “for our Almighty Creator.”

Let us consider another description for “al-Ahad”: “The One who is the essence of Unity.” This is also troublesome for Muhammad’s god, because if there is no sub-division within him, what is the need to be united within him? Another description for “al-Ahad” is indivisible (cannot be divided). This definition raises a far bigger problem: How does one proclaim “indivisibility” within Allah without first assuming “divisibility” within Allah? In other words, how do you proclaim something does not exist without first realizing its existence? In philosophy this is an intellectual suicide — to say something cannot be possible without first assuming its possibility.

That is why Islam cannot explain its “Central core of Faith” which is the “oneness of Allah”. In its attempt to do so, it uses phrases like “…the unity of God”. In order to claim a “unity”, one must first assume disunity. Why else would our United Nations claim unity for itself and within itself without first assuming disunity among nations? Another phrase used by Muslims to explain the “oneness of Muhammad’s god” is “…the inseparable one” — inseparable as can be attributed to the inseparable fifty States within the United States of America. Every attempt to explain the “oneness of Allah” has failed, because no such “oneness” exists as to eliminate the elements of division within. Thus Muslims attribute “divisible words” to the “indivisible”, which is an academic blunder (failure).

One Arab Christian and a former Muslim, writes: “The Quran is the only book in which Muslims are mentally trained to see singular where plural is clearly visible.” He continues, “If Muslims deny it, challenge them to produce any Islamic classical literature in which a speaker refers to himself as “We” when speaking of he alone.” Muslims failed in those endeavors.

The “oneness of Allah” is meaningless, because it does not exist. In as much as God is the creator of everything including human languages (Genesis 11: 6-7); and in as much as God wishes to reveal Himself to mankind; should He use words that have no meaning in human language?

Deuteronomy 6:4 reads, “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.”

What does the word “one” mean? The word “one” as used in the Holy Scriptures is not only restricted to mathematical equivalent as in a “onetime occurrence only”, but also a word regarding the relationship and internal composition showing a completed condition as in separation and aloneness from other entities outside itself. Example: Genesis 1:5 tells us “…the evening and the morning being one day.” Genesis 2:24 tells us “…husband and the wife becoming one flesh.”

God speaks in Isaiah 44:6: “Thus said the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”
In Holy Scriptures the plurality within God is as cleared as daylight. Along with giving us examples, Islam must tell us what it means by the word “one” which has no “plurality within” or multiplicity within”. It is no longer saved for a Muslim to simply say, “Believe me; one means one.” The stakes are high and the evident is weighing heavily against the Islamic world.

 
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