Is Jesus really God ?

[savedbygrace57]

1 jn 5:

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

One the Records God gave of His Son is that He is God heb 1:

8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Those of us who do not believe this record, Hath made God a Liar..​

 

[Sparkey]

If Jesus is God how did you kill him?

Hmmmmmmmm

Kindly give due consideration and note the use of the words, "in the form of" - used twice here; also note the use of the words, "in fashion as a man"

If [there be] therefore:

• any consolation in Christ,
• if any comfort of love,
• if any fellowship of the Spirit,
• if any bowels and mercies,

Fulfil ye my joy...

...that ye be likeminded, having the same love, [being] of one accord, of one mind.

[Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God
[the form of God -->μορφή θεός --> morphē Theos],
thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation,
and took upon him the form of a servant
[the form of a servant --> μορφή δοῦλος --> morphē doulos ],
and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man
[in fashion as a man --> σχῆμα ὡς ἄνθρωπος -->schēma hōs anthrōpos],
he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
[Philippians 2:1-9 KJV]

Jesus, who was the WORD of God and was with God and is God came here and tabernacle'd (tented) amongst men. He, for a little while, became lower than the angels. It was the flesh of that man, his temple, that was torn down and in three days raised again. It was that flesh that was glorified and given a new body, that flesh that was born of the Spirit (not of Joseph). After being tempted sorely (like as we) he fulfilled the law and triumphed over sin. "This is MY SON in whom I am well pleased," was the testimony he earned. He opened the way to the Father that we may choose to follow, unto us is given the power to become sons of God.

It is His resurrection that assures us because we don't know who we will be but we shall be like him.

 

[Elvispelvis]

sparrowhawk said'

And being found in fashion as a man
[in fashion as a man --> σχῆμα ὡς ἄνθρωπος -->schēma hōs anthrōpos],
he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
[Philippians 2:1-9 KJV]----------------------------------------------------------------------

E"
Thank you for this scripture which clearly states Yashua was a man and God gave Him a special name.
This shows the difference between God and Yashua that they are separate is the only logical answer.

Again is there not any christian who will answer theses question with a simple yes or no!!

DID GOD DIE ON THE CROSS? YES OR NO

 

[westtexas]

E"
Thank you for this scripture which clearly states Yashua was a man and God gave Him a special name.
This shows the difference between God and Yashua that they are separate is the only logical answer.

Again is there not any christian who will answer theses question with a simple yes or no!!

DID GOD DIE ON THE CROSS? YES OR NO

Hello Elvis, I thought Sparrow did a fine job addressing your thoughts and then, in typical Elvispelvis fashion, the thoughts were ignored and glossed over and simply received another question. I can only speak for myself and no-one else on this forum but this is the reason a theological conversation with you is a waste of time. It's not worth the time to give a reason for my beliefs, look up scripture, write the post, and then all we get in response is another question or a longwinded quote from the Christadelphian Bible Mag. A while back I had a long conversation on here, and via PM, with Einstein who is a practicing Jew. Neither of us changed the other ones mind about anything, but my faith was strenghtened simply from all the extra studying necessary to formulate my thoughts in our discussions. When it was all said and done, I feel I made a friend on the net and I have a great respect for this man. I read page after page of a conversation between Mike and Mohrb (who was a SDA), and while neither changed the other's mind, I'm willing to bet that both have a great respect for each other. Mujahid, who as you know is a practicing Muslim, I feel the same way about. I have not had a conversation with the man yet but he will address your questions and tell you why he believes as he does. You have to respect that even if you disagree with the man.
You, however, do not allow that to happen. It's simply question after question. Sparrow has addressed you here, Mujahid has addressed you in the Christadelphian thread. Let's see what happens.

Westtexas

 

[Sparkey]

Let me try another tact, if you don't mind. Although I've been taught not to answer a question with another question, allow me to ask, "Who are YOU?"

What I mean (expanded) is: "Who are you if you are not in your body?"

Trying for clarity sometimes obscures things but this should not be such a strange concept. We know that we are no longer citizens of this earthly system and we are not going to be in this cloak of flesh (our earthly form) forever. For a moment and for the sake of argument only consider who you are apart from flesh. Now then, perhaps you can understand? Jesus is God. Did God die on the cross? No, only the flesh that contained the man upon whom the fullness of the Spirit of God was poured out without limit. That's the difference that seems to be bothering you. Can new wine be put into old wineskins? No. We must first obey our King and depart from sin with the expectation of being transformed. We don't know what we will be but we shall be like him. By the way, Jesus is alive and even though we don't see his new flesh - he is waiting. He is the firstfruit of the harvest. We're next.

You're familiar already with what the Holy Spirit said through John, "The Beloved".

- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Again, this is not a strange or new concept:
[Acts 13:37 KJV] - But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

[Romans 8:21 KJV] - Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

[1 Corinthians 15:42, 50 KJV] - So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: ... Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

[Galatians 6:8 KJV] - For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

[2 Peter 1:4 KJV] - Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

[savedbygrace57]

The Deity of Christ as God is seen in the similar Praise they [Father and Son] receive from their creatures.

To God rev 7:

12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Blessing, Glory, wisdom, Thanksgiving, honor, power, might seven articles !

Now this is almost the exact same as the Praise given specifically to the Lamb rev 5:

12Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

power, riches, wisdom, might, honor, glory, and blessing . seven articles

Now if Jesus, He who was slain is not God, He shares the Glory only due to God from His creatures and that contradicts Isa 42:


8I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

That Jesus is LORD God will be acknowledged at the Second Coming and Day of Judgment phil 2:


9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord[Jehovah], to the glory of God the Father.

It will be to the Glory of God the father that His Son is God too, His enemies will then confess, that is say the thing as He says of His Son in Heb 1:

8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

 

[Elvispelvis]

Sparrowhawke;

perhaps you can understand? Jesus is God. Did God die on the cross? No, only the flesh that contained the man


E"

This same story has been passed down through the ages, a fable with no scripture to back it up.

Not anywhere in the bible does it say Jesus left his flesh or that He was God then man then God.

Finally someone answers, that christians believe that God did not die on the cross, but Jesus did.

Since no one can find any verses that teach this fable then christians fell it is OK just to follow the commandments of men and make something up it does not matter if the bible says it in verses "The HolY Spirit tells me I am Right."
All though modern churches claim to know the bible I have never met a christian yet who actually understood the Old Testament. Not one ever.
Westy get angry when I use the words of my elders who have studied the OT some 70 times from beginning to end.
Proverbs teaches that we are to take unto us wise councilors who understand "The Law and The Testimony."

"The bible says if they do not teach the law and the testimony there is no light in them."

Westy modern do not even know what the Law and the testimony is , so how can they possibly teach it.
I asked you and others to keep there comments to the OT not the New testament, yet all christians
use the NT to prove they are right.

This is why there is such confusion in the churches. The christians on this web-site act like there is nothing wrong
in christianity.

Totally ignoring the fact that history proves christians kill other christian.

You try to act like I am the problem look at the house of christians, RC's kill Protestants still to this day.

Why are you not attacking the child molesters christians and the horrible pain the christians have caused.

Westy I have been answering christians for forty years and unless they say something different from the old testament then it is always the same NT verses which christains are incapable of understanding till they
understand the old testament.
I am not trying to make converts.
You could not become a Christadelphian
unless you read the complete bible OT once a year every yr of your life reading four chapters a day every day of your life then reading the NT twice a year every year of your life reading one chapter a day every say of your life
then after some Hebrew and Greek study go before the elders and give a good account of your faith.

The baptismal interview lasts for hours where you are questioned on your bible knowledge.
This is exactly what they do in theology school or in university, or in highschool where you study books before the exam. Why does the school test you ? To see what you know of coarse.

2Pe 3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Westy I asked you over and over is Duet 32 an actual event in history?
You used Duet 32 to prove people burn in hell.

Since you did not answer if it is actual historical event I assume it fruitless to continue when you would not answer your own verses from the OT.

Again we are not out to make converts. We Do not preach on TV or radio or collect money from strangers.
Christadelphians do not collect money. We do not accept donations nor do we solicit funds in any way.
The modern churches all " Collect Money For God" yet the money changers were thrown out of the House of God by Yashua. You have made my house a den of thieves.

 

[Sparkey]

Sparrowhawke;

perhaps you can understand? Jesus is God. Did God die on the cross? No, only the flesh that contained the man


E"

Well, perhaps I can understand. Frankly I don't know anything about being a "Christadelphian" and have never heard of that term nor that way of walking. I would agree that there is distinct and definite harmony of the agreement between God and Man as given in the first covenant which involved the law and the second agreement where the law is written, not in stone, but in the heart (if that is what you are saying).

On a personal note, I have kept various "old testament" laws for the last 40 years. They way I looked at it while young was, "It won't hurt, I know I won't be saved that way, but certainly God knew what he was doing when He spoke to His children." I wasn't born a Jew and it was by the action of God that this Goy, this member of "his other flock" was allowed entrance to His Kingdom.

You've stated, "I asked you and others to keep there comments to the OT not the New testament..."

My reply would to you specifically would be, "By what authority do you demand that I ignore the life and teachings of the Lord, Jesus Christ? He came to earth for a reason. He, guided by His Father's will, chose his disciples and taught them. There were many questions that they, men who KNEW the old testament (I'll bet better than you) had and those questions remained until after Jesus was raised and opened their eyes to the mystery which had been spoken of from the beginning. It is FOR THIS REASON that a man shall leave his father and his mother, that the two shall become ONE flesh.

I fail to understand the heart of your restriction and although I can appreciate your request that Christians harmonize the full word would point to the fact that this requires a change of heart in many that can only be realized as we continue to walk with God.

[Ezekiel 36:26-27 KJV] - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].

[Jeremiah 31:33-37 KJV] - But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

[Malachi 4:2, 4-6 KJV] - But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. ... Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the statutes and judgments. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.


What work has our Christ, the Messiah, performed but to enable the hearts of the children to turn and the heart of Our Father in Heaven to be seen? As we appreciate this ministry and emulate it, the voice of Elijah is heard again. We can hasten the return of our KING! Grow ye, as calves in the stall. Grow and be found in the unity of the faith, declared by the Most High from the beginning unto the end.

 

[Free]

This same story has been passed down through the ages, a fable with no scripture to back it up.

Not anywhere in the bible does it say Jesus left his flesh or that He was God then man then God.

Finally someone answers, that christians believe that God did not die on the cross, but Jesus did.

There is plenty of Scripture that shows Jesus is God and the question "Did God die on the cross?" is irrelevant in showing that fact either true or false.

 

[Elvispelvis]

sparrowhawke said'
I fail to understand the heart of your restriction and although I can appreciate your request that Christians harmonize the full word would point to the fact that this requires a change of heart in many that can only be realized as we continue to walk with God.

E"

My point is it is impossible for any christian to prove Yashua is God from the OT.

Look back at all the posts not one verse from the OT.
Why ?

Because you can not find any verses that prove what you are saying.

See how many verses can you come up with from the OT to say Yashua is God.
I have never met any christian who has studied the OT.
Because of the curse you are unable to understand the OT therefore your NT verses are all twisted.
Christians are cursed when they add to the word or subtract from the word.

The prove is 4,203 christian churches, utter confusion.
Christians killing christians.
Ye shall know them by their fruits.

If I get the point across that you can not understand the NT till you understand the OT then I will die happy.
My only reason for posting is to get people to study the OT.

 

[Elvispelvis]

free said"

There is plenty of Scripture that shows Jesus is God and the question "Did God die on the cross?" is irrelevant in showing that fact either true or false.

E"

Let the reader take note only one person tried to answer the question.
All the others can not answer so they act like it does not matter.
Such a simple question . All christians claim Jesus is God yet you have no answer of any kind to such a simple question.
Free---------------- please show me the scripture you speak of from the OT if you can.

2Pe 3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[Strangelove]

If I get the point across that you can not understand the NT till you understand the OT then I will die happy.
My only reason for posting is to get people to study the OT.

I think the main reason for you're posting is because you desperately want to convince Christians the futility of worshipping Jesus and thus introduce us to your killing machine the Noahide Laws. Have you noticed how it's not working Elvis? We don't accept it. End of story. If we have to lose our heads over it. SO BE IT!

Laws which call for the beheading of anyone who worships Jesus Christ.

Lets take a look at Law#1 of the Noahides:

1. Idolatry is forbidden. Man is commanded to believe in the One God alone and worship only Him.

IDOLATRY

-against entertaining the thought that there exists a deity except the Lord (to worship Jesus as the Messiah is blasphemy according to the Talmud and punishable by decapitation).
-against making any graven image (and against having anyone else make one for us)
-against making idols for use by others
-against making any forbidden statues (even when they are for ornamental purposes)
-against bowing to any idol (and not to sacrifice nor to pour libation nor to burn incense before any idol, even where it is not the customary manner of worship to the particular idol)
-against worshipping idols in any of their customary manners of worship
-against causing our children to pass (through the fire) in the worship of Molech.
-against practicing Ov
-against the practice of Yiddoni
-against turning to idolatry (in word, in thought, in deed, or by any observance that may draw us to its worship)


YOU NEED TO GET AWAY FROM THOSE TALMUDIC RABBIS ELVIS!

What are we to look for? We are to look for a rise in Jewishism via a revival of law-keeping by Gentiles. These Gentiles will be used and promoted to attack at the very core of the Christian faith. First, these will deny and recant the name of Jesus. Then they will deny and recant that Jesus replaced the laws of Moses with his New Covenant. Then they will renounce the name of Jesus as being the name of a false God. Many thousands will flock to these Concision groups and by them the name of the Lord Jesus will be blasphemed. Then these will reject totally the New Covenant and become Noahides, keeping the seven Talmudic laws allegedly of Noah, a Gentile. And these are found no where except within the Talmud, the most dangerous antichrist book ever written by men. When antichrist comes, he will have a great ready army to slash, kill, and burn Christians who reject the laws of Moses for salvation.

Antichrist, who is it, how will Jews and Gentiles unite to attack Christians?

The present day Jew is blind in part so like all other religions there are radicals who do not speak for the whole.
Please do not try to say this Rabbi speaks for all Jews.
My friend Rabbi Green and the other Rabbi's welcome me with open arms as Noahide or the one who follows Noah's law. Yet they know I am a gentile. I am allowed to enter the sanctuary and touch the scrolls.

As i like to remind everyone Yeshua is Jew.

They even let him touch the scrolls!!

 

[Strangelove]

If I get the point across that you can not understand the NT till you understand the OT then I will die happy.
My only reason for posting is to get people to study the OT.

And furthermore.....a to this claim that we Christians don't understand the NT becasue we don't study the OT (which is absurd, we discuss the OT at length)....lets have a look at what the NT says about reading the OT. Let's turn the tables Mr.Pelvis::::::....I put it to you that if you deny the deity of Christ then you are NOT 'IN CHRIST'. And therefore:

2nd Corinthians:

3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of
speech:

3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children
of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is
abolished:

3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same
vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is
done away in Christ.

3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their
heart.

3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken
away.

LORD [Still talking about Christ]

Original Word: κύριος
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: God

3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is,
there is liberty.

3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the
Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as
by the Spirit of the Lord.

So you see until you accept Christ as God, like the scriptures testify, you will still be blinded by the veil and will NEVER truly understand the Old Testament. Come out from that and accept liberty in the Spirit of the Lord JESUS CHRIST who's flesh worldly body died on the cross for our sins but who exists eternally as God.

Then you will die happy.​

 

[Free]

My point is it is impossible for any christian to prove Yashua is God from the OT.

Look back at all the posts not one verse from the OT.
Why ?

Because you can not find any verses that prove what you are saying.

See how many verses can you come up with from the OT to say Yashua is God.
I have never met any christian who has studied the OT.
Because of the curse you are unable to understand the OT therefore your NT verses are all twisted.
Christians are cursed when they add to the word or subtract from the word.

The prove is 4,203 christian churches, utter confusion.
Christians killing christians.
Ye shall know them by their fruits.

If I get the point across that you can not understand the NT till you understand the OT then I will die happy.
My only reason for posting is to get people to study the OT.

Why do you want to ignore the NT and look at only the OT? You cannot fully understand one without the other. It is incorrect to say that only the OT brings understanding to the NT and not vice versa as well.

Throughout the OT God makes it clear that he is Israel's Messiah, that he will one day set things right and bring salvation to the Jews and through them, to the rest of creation. This is actualized in God coming to earth in human form, in the God-man Jesus, as spoken of in the NT.

There is no single verse in the OT that says "Jesus is God" but it is there, if one cares to actually do serious study, taking into account what the NT states as well. You seem to think that merely reading the OT means one has studied it.

 

[Strangelove]

Thank you for proving my point. I knew as soon as you tried to find this in the OT you would have to admit
that you can not find any where that it says Jesus is God.

It took a lot of nerve for you to admit that you could not find it in the OT.

Show me where in the OT it says 'Jesus is NOT God'. If you cannot find those words in the OT then you have no leg to stand on.

Strangelove rambles on and on about the messenger and continues to quote only from the NT which of coarse
proves my point without the NT you can not prove Jesus is God.

So what does that prove exactly? That if we didn't have the NT we would have a hard time knowing that Jesus is God? We DO have the NT! So what are you proving? Nothing!

Over and over I challenge christians to study the OT yet ,free,,,,,,, says no you did not.

Repeatedly I have stated that I study the Hebrew and the Greek of the bible along with passing an extensive exam on OT knowledge and being able to converse with people who have studied the bible all the days of their lives, I personally have read the OT aprox fifty-times the NT aprox 77 times. My elders far surpass me.

You can read the bible a thousand times if you want and have a wallet full of credentials but like I said in my last post....until you are in Christ...you have a vail over your eyes blinding you to the truth of the Old Testament. So even though I have never even read the whole OT through EVEN ONE TIME I still know more than you about what the scripture actually means just from referencing it. Lolz. Because I know that Christ is the Lord and God...it all makes sense.

We do not preach to the public, we are not looking for converts,we do not collect money from the public,
we do not want you to become a christadelphian, this is the reason why I post so many different subjects,
time is short and I must post all the first principles "

Theres only one subject you post on. And that is the subject of putting down Christianity in general.

My duty is to show that their are those who do not follow " The Great Whore and all Her Daughters."

The Great Whore is talmudic judaism centered in Jerusalem. And you are following her straight down the garden path.

May God bless your study of His OT

May God open your eyes to the Lord Jesus Christ so you can begin to understand what the Old Testament scriptures mean.

 

[Roel]

Great stuff,
You also might want to consider the words of our Lord Jesus Himself:

John 8:24 "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."

John 8:58 "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'"

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

Well, it's a no brainer, isn't it. There are far more quotes of the Bible proving Jesus one with God.

 

[Ashua]

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty . -Revelation 1:8

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;


And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.


And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. -Revelation 1:10-18

"This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. -Isaiah 44:6

"Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last. -Isaiah 48:12

I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior. -Isaiah 43:11

What conclusions may we draw?

 

[Ashua]

and I saw the glory of the God of Israel coming from the east. His voice was like the roar of rushing waters, and the land was radiant with his glory. -Ezekiel 43:2

Who comes from the East? Who's voice is like the sound of many waters? God?


And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. -Revelation 1:15

The son of man?

Yes, they are one and the same.

 

[Strangelove]

More OT Scripture confirming Jesus as God:

Zech 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as
when he fought in the day of battle. 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east......

Compare to >>>>

Luke 21:37 And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he
went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of
Olives.

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Zech 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from
Jerusalem;

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John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried,
saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly
shall flow rivers of living water.

7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him
should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that
Jesus was not yet glorified.)​

 

[Ashua]

This is fun

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne [was like] the fiery flame, [and] his wheels [as] burning fire. -Daniel 7:9

His body also [was] like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. -Daniel 10:6

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His head and [his] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes [were] as a flame of fire;-Revelation 1:14

His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. -Revelation 19:12

"To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. -Revelation 2:18

I used to struggle with this at one time. When you start to pick up on verses such as these it makes it so easy to understand. The Word of God truly is a schoolmaster.